cr250owner
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so should i do 200 for the first time, since like with most drugs the first time is always the best?
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so should i do 200 for the first time, since like with most drugs the first time is always the best?
the thing is, the first time only a very little will do a lot. ok so my 150mg with beer wasn't the first time. I had also previously taken maybe multiple 75 mg tabs (forget how many, a couple - I think up to 300mg total but clean, not mixing with alcohol or other drugs) the first time... but that 150 was near the first time. Maybe 2nd or 3rd time. The time immediately after that time I tried 150 with a beer, I tried again 150 + alcohol and didn't have that same magic.
But the best time for me was after this... so who knows maybe 5th or 6th time I took it, when I took like more than 1g. maybe 1350 mg or something (I'm a big dude, 6'3" ~240lbs I'm guessing weight). So who knows, maybe 1350 is like 2grams for smaller people? I know some drugs depend on your weight, I'm guessing this one does too..
anyhow that 1350 was WOW... I was sitting with my buddy in a pizza place a few hours after I took it, and shit I was in such a great mood... my buddy was telling me I looked high. Pizza tasted like Orgasmically Good.. no wait first I had lasagna before that pizza and it was great too... but highlight of the night was the snickers I ate after the pizza place.... shit I don't know if anything ever tasted that good in my life... that night I was messed up though, I was walking around like I was drunk. It was possible to walk straight but required intense concentration...
also I noticed this walking like drunk thing also occurs (not as intensely as that time, but enough to notice) when combining a lot (maybe 600mg to 900mg) lyrica with alcohol. Not that much alcohol, but some... like say 5-6 cognacs. Which again since I'm a big guy is not really that much alcohol.
I did lay off it for about a week or perhaps a bit longer and then on monday took 600mg only... and that felt pretty good (but no loss of motor control) but nice mood lift
but I swear that 150mg + a few sips of beer before was something close to euphoria, I was in a club and it was damn perfect for it.
these are my experiences, maybe you should wait to hear other people's input about correct amount to take 1st time... who knows, just my advice
cr250owner
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haha did you post in another thread talking about when you ate lasagna and pizza while on lyrica? i think i might have read it in one of the other lyrica threads.
yes I posted it earlier... this post I was just consolidating the differences of what happened to me at various times with lyrica...
some people have said that lyrica makes them "feel close to food"... but for me it was only that one high dose time... I've never really exceeded that dosage, although I have tried it once or twice after and not had the same awesome effects... but still nice enough effects, but ... I have not tried to take a long break (greater than a week) and then try that kind of high dosage, maybe it would have a much greater effect if I did it that way... because the 600mg after a bit longer than a week break, sure felt pretty nice (but more in a mellow way - like mostly mood lift)
DeLee
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Ha ha ha,,oh man. My first experiece with Lyrica was intense.
I was/am using quite a lot of downers, opioids, benso, musclerelaxers, GHB etc.
That day i had used maybe mg Xanax & 4mg Subuttex.. i recieved a blisterpack of the 300mg Lyrica.
Took 2 of those and put clothes iin washing machine.. 30-40 mins later i lay in beed, face down and can't move the tiniest muscle.. took all strenght to ask me mate to take the clothes out of the machine-
5-15mins later i fell asleep...ZZzzz.
Woke up next morning feeling FANTASTIC! I even akipped my morning sub and bensos... it was incredible. Never have i got such a great respons of a drug.
I was/am using quite a lot of downers, opioids, benso, musclerelaxers, GHB etc.
That day i had used maybe mg Xanax & 4mg Subuttex.. i recieved a blisterpack of the 300mg Lyrica.
Took 2 of those and put clothes iin washing machine.. 30-40 mins later i lay in beed, face down and can't move the tiniest muscle.. took all strenght to ask me mate to take the clothes out of the machine-
5-15mins later i fell asleep...ZZzzz.
Woke up next morning feeling FANTASTIC! I even akipped my morning sub and bensos... it was incredible. Never have i got such a great respons of a drug.
I noticed quite a few drugs have a great feeling the next day, some eclipse the feeling you get the night before. e.g. tianeptine (usually I was combining that with alcohol though at night but just 1 pill)... next day would laugh my ass off... if anything was remotely funny... I don;t usually watch craig ferguson interviews on youtube, but shit that was fun on next-day tianeptine...
also phenibut... which I have stopped taking... the next day is better than the first... it is a different effect, I read somewhere because PEA is built up and then released the many many hours later... like 10 or more ... anyhow, what a lovely great feeling the next day on phenibut. I have little experience with benzos but have tried them a bit. Although I have never taken massive dose benzos... but anyhow I know lyrica is supposed to potentiate them but I never noticed the same potentiation effects for them as with alcohol. But never in my life have a tried anything that is as remotely powerful as phenibut for anxiety... what I mean is that many things, lyrica included can eliminate anxiety... but phenibut blows it away and increases your confidence by leaps and bounds*.... if taken in sufficient quantity... too bad it cannot really be taken frequently (due to tolerance issues and bad withdrawals from it) but wow, when I would walk into clubs on that stuff girls would notice (more than usual, girls usually notice me - I am big and distinctive looking)... but with phenibut I swear to God, I had this ultimate stare I could do. And if I stared at a girl like that, she would be instantly hooked... I'm not joking. It is the most powerful thing ever (disclaimer: usually if I stare at a girl response is quite good anyhow, but I'm just saying with phenibut.. it was insane, I felt like a puppet master or something.. often if I looked at girls on phenibut too - they would burst into ear to ear grins, without me smiling.... i.e. if you smile, a girl may smile back... but it is rare - at least for me - for a girl to smile at me when I simply look at them - if they do not know me at all.. they may look back with interest, but burst into big grins.... very rare, but on phenibut it was happening often)
* I guess alcohol also increases confidence if you drink enough, but it doesn't compare to the phenibut increase of confidence... not by a long shot... I guess it is hard to understand unless you've tried it (and in sufficient quantities... and gone out clubbing or something to test the confidence)
Does anyone have any experience with the cross-tolerance of pregabalin and gabapentin? I've read articles saying they virtually have no cross-tolerance, but that hasn't really been my experience. Like taking gabapentin the day after taking pregabalin, and nothing. It seems a bit unpredictable, though, sometimes it can work, like taking either substance several days in a row. I'd be very interested in hearing other's experiences.
Lyrica has effects of actually DECREASING craving behaviors and in fact can be used to treat addiction. It induced delta-wave sleep(deep) that is why you felt better and did not NEED your benzos, etc.... the next day.
Lyrica is 6 times as potent as gabapentin with 100% gastric absorption, vs. gaba being quite variable. Lyrica works much better to treat pain and anxiety, studies show this.
Danklicious.
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Isn't this very similar or the same thing as Gabapentin? If so, I've had many fun experiences.
Yes, I'm aware of Lyrica's stronger potency in comparison. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with cross-tolerance of these two substances?
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^I do believe there is substantial cross-tolerance. A couple times I was unable to get a refill on time when I was taking lyrica (300-450mg/day) and I would substitute gabapentin and not have any withdrawals whereas otherwise I would get nasty headaches, fasciculations, terrible anxiety/panic, increased pain (the reason I took the lyrica), etc.
Right, they can substitute each other, and I guess that usually means there's a substanstial cross-tolerance there, kind of like with different opiates. I just took loads of gabapentin on the day after taking Lyrica, and nothing. I guess they should be treated as more or less the same substance as far as tolerance goes, and gabapentin can't be used in between breaks of using Lyrica to any good effect.
so how effective is this an anticonvulsent use? im in mild benzo wd (although i had 20mg today so im thinking i should be safe), i had lyrica powder so i had to eyeball, but it was between 300-500mg, i just want it mainly for anti anxiety use for a bit but ive heard reports of seizures in high doses and am a bit worried?
Ive done it before at high doses and felt shakey so dont know what to expect really.
Ive done it before at high doses and felt shakey so dont know what to expect really.
SnrG
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I think this is absolutely true. I'm reading "Anything Can Be Healed" by Martin Brofman, and he believes (and proved it on himself) that physical symptoms are created by beliefs the person has, that are negative and harbour dissatisfaction with something they believe to be true. The physical symptoms are the manifestation of those thoughts.
He had a tumour on his spine, and was diagnosed as terminal, but he realised the tumour was the result of areas of tension in his mind; an unhappy marriage in which he couldn't communicate. He released those feelings, and his tumour, the symptom of the feelings, disappeared.
I'd recommend the book to anyone.
As for lyrica, I took 400mg plus 16 nurofen plus (filtered to remove the ibuprofen) and 4 chest eze tabs (each has 18mg of ephedrine) and I had incredible energy and walked for hours. After 5 hours, I took another 600mg, and felt elated, hyper, and after sitting in an AA meeting, I started to feel quite drunkish, and my balance was severly affected when I walked home.
I took another 400mg on returning home (three hours after second dose) and I feel as if I've drunk half a bottle of spirits. My face has visibly changed, with my eyelids swollen, and my face is puffy. My heartbeat was over 100bpm, so I took 80mg of propranolol to slow that down, and have been splashing cold water on face and massaging it to try and get rid of the puffiness. The eyes are a 100% giveaway, that theres toys in the attic !!!!
One annoying thing about lyrica, is that when stoned on it, it is almost impossible to roll cigarettes - another give away.
Someone mentioned naproxen? Surely thats just an anti inflammatory - similar to voltarol/diclofenac? Good for pain relief in small doses, but no high whatsoever, and taking more than the recommended dose will damage the stomach lining resulting in gastritis - I did it with ibuprofen before when taking nurofen plus which I was too lazy to filter. After the high from the codeine, my stomach would swell and I would get cramps and vomit bile.
SnrG
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Swim has been through a major GBL withdrawal before, including being sectioned and hospitalised. This involved him having major delusions and tremors, sweats, high (read: dangerous) blood pressure and more. It was touch and go for a while. In fact Swim would have continued using indefinitely, but his tolerance became so bad he was suffering withdrawals even at the high levels of intake where he would become unconcious. Basically, the dose required to feel "ok" would knock him out.
After release Swim had no intention of ever touching the stuff again. But, again, after a lengthy tapering course of Baclofen and Acamprosate (Gaba-b and -a agonists) he returned to the chemical.
You see, after the course of meds had finished Swim was fine for a while, but then turned to drink - as in litre bottles of vodka - to combat his anxiety and panic attacks and stress. Before using GBL he had never drunk heavily, so he theorised it must have been his GABA receptors crying out ?
Anyway, Swim decided he couldn't go on like this, drinking so heavily, so he thought he'd try a small bottle of GBL. It worked, and he used it responsibility. But after a month or so he had returned to daily, 24-7 use (1.5ml a hr). Using it to sleep, and to get through the day. It put him in an almost manic mode for a while, much preferable to his usual shy, non-talkative self. The usual social-anxiety cause of GBL use for self-medication...
Anyway, vowing to get back off, he discovered his tolerance and habituation were probably still raised from his previous problem many months ago. And he was back in the troublesome stage.
So he ordered some Baclofen from an online pharmacy. It kind of worked, but he was taking it with the GBl. Bad news.
Then he read about Pregabalin.
This stuff was amazing. It completely erased most of the GBL withdrawal symptoms.
Swim tells me he went cold turkey, just using Pregabalin at around the 150mg range every 4-6 hours then tapering back down after a couple of weeks. He also ramped that up as neccessary, and sometimes used some Baclofen to combat tremors.
Pregabalin is amazing, and quite cheap too from his online source.
Apparently here in the UK it's legal to buy in meds that are not controlled, but not to sell them. So it's maybe a grey area, but Swim didn't care. He just loved that it worked, and for now, a low dose fo Pregabalin keeps him well and truly balanced.
Swim knows he needs to see a psychiatrist at some point at get some proper, prescribed meds but Pregabalin / Lyrica is amazing and it just works.
And as for the highs described in this post, Swim can confirm that it does do that, and only needs a dosage of about 450mg or so. However, since Swim loved the Gabaergic feel of GBL he doesn't really want to go there
Pregabalin is amazing. It's just that it will be more than likely rescheduled because of the reports coming out, which will be a shame. If you are buying it stock up so you have at least enough to taper off if it becomes more difficult to obtain.
SNAP!!!!!
I was written up for pregabalin for extreme anxiety by a psychiatrist, but had to have blood tests before I could start, as I've been on venlafaxine for 6 years. Unfortunately, I found GBL in the meantime, and went on a five month odyssey, experiencing all of the above symptoms with horrific hallucinations. I got baclofen once to try and come off it, but ended up taking it with the G.
To get pregabalin, complaints of extreme unremitting anxiety should have a doc prescribing it for you, as most are reluctant now to give out benzos for more than a couple of weeks. I'm now written up for 600mg per day of pregablin - I'm swimming in the stuff now that I was crying out for when I was in the death grip of GBL, and was too fucked to leave the flat for several months. A 24/7 nightmare.
I'll cross post this to the gbl thread as others reckon pregabalin is the best way to get off GBL. I tried alcohol, but being an alcoholic, that wasn't a good idea, and I ended up taking GBL to kill the hangovers. An interesting period - I ended up in hospital for a two week detox which was hell.
SnrG
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pregabalin(lyrica) and appetite
Yep, it does stimulate the appetite. I googled pregab and came across a board for folk with anxiety etc, and there was a discussion about pregab. One chap had neuropathic pain and was prescribed pregabalin, which worked wonders for his pain, but he put on 2 stone in 3 months. I've eaten like a horse on it, and had to start taking ephedrine to help kill the appetite, and walking like a bastard, as I'm overweight anyway.
So far I'm ok, and managing to lose weight, but if you just keep nibbling, you're destined for some significant weight gain. It would be useful when weight training and you want to increase your appetite, and I'll use it for that a bit down the road when I've shed my excess lard.
Stomach thought my throat was cut appetite got so huge
Yep, it does stimulate the appetite. I googled pregab and came across a board for folk with anxiety etc, and there was a discussion about pregab. One chap had neuropathic pain and was prescribed pregabalin, which worked wonders for his pain, but he put on 2 stone in 3 months. I've eaten like a horse on it, and had to start taking ephedrine to help kill the appetite, and walking like a bastard, as I'm overweight anyway.
So far I'm ok, and managing to lose weight, but if you just keep nibbling, you're destined for some significant weight gain. It would be useful when weight training and you want to increase your appetite, and I'll use it for that a bit down the road when I've shed my excess lard.
Stomach thought my throat was cut appetite got so huge
By the way, Lyrica and Gabapentin goes great with any opiate, even just Kratom. Mmmmm. Highly recommended. It has an undescribable feel to it. Very dreamy. Tried Gabapentin with Morphine once, really one of the most pleasurable highs I've had.
Update: For anyone doing Kratom it potentiates it like fuck. Normally I can barely feel regular leaf, but it creates a really interesting synergy, which seems to be more than just the combination of Gaba + Kratom.
Could it be that it increases bioavailability of Kratom in the same way as Morphine ( I believe upto 37% )?
Update: For anyone doing Kratom it potentiates it like fuck. Normally I can barely feel regular leaf, but it creates a really interesting synergy, which seems to be more than just the combination of Gaba + Kratom.
Could it be that it increases bioavailability of Kratom in the same way as Morphine ( I believe upto 37% )?
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