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The LYRICA (pregabalin) Mega Thread

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ycomp said:
Hi, I'm overseas now.. there will be no problem leaving... I don't think... but I want to go back to Canada for a while. Can I get in trouble for brining a few (like 2) boxes of lyrica and maybe some other nice things like stablon (tianeptine) and phenibut and gidazepam which is a benzo... without having any prescriptions ?

if I do have problems, what's the worst that would happen ? confiscation?
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I believe Lyrica is scheduled in Canada as it is in the US so you could get in trouble for possessing a controlled substance. The phenibut should be fine and I imagine the stablon as well. I don't know if Canada has an analogue act but if it includes lower scheduled drugs like benzos (the US FAA does not) then gidazepam could be problematic.

You should try asking in the legal forum or somewhere else... not only is it not good etiquette to ask in the Lyrica mega thread, but you'd get more exposure and responses elsewhere.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
I believe Lyrica is scheduled in Canada as it is in the US so you could get in trouble for possessing a controlled substance. The phenibut should be fine and I imagine the stablon as well. I don't know if Canada has an analogue act but if it includes lower scheduled drugs like benzos (the US FAA does not) then gidazepam could be problematic.

You should try asking in the legal forum or somewhere else... not only is it not good etiquette to ask in the Lyrica mega thread, but you'd get more exposure and responses elsewhere.
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ah I didn't know there was a legal forum and that it is bad etiquette but thanks
 
^Yeah, you didn't do anything wrong. I just think you'll get more responses elsewhere. There are probably people out there who have info on your questions but don't frequent the lyrica thread. The mega threads are a little less controlled, but in general its good to stay on topic in the threads and if you want to go too off topic to find a more appropriate thread or create one.
 
if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around, it doesnt make a sound - it makes a shock wave.

a sound is only a sound when someone hears it.

just like, colours exist only in our minds and not in reality. they are our brains way of deciphering different wavelengths of light.

sorry, completely off topic but interesting nonetheless.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
You say this in a thread where, of the nearly 500 posts, MOST are people talking about enjoying this drug or having success using it medicinally... but I suppose since YOU didn't like it or find it therapeutic, it must not be.
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Haha are you serious? So offering my opinion, because it is negative, is akin to an insult in your opinion?

If you enjoy it, great. Lucky you, even. But I never have and I didn`t think that by offering my two cents I`d be offending anyone. Surely just knowing that a substance which does nothing for me rocks your socks is justice enough.
 
My thought exactly!

Lazyscience said:
I would like to say something about Fibromyalgia. Now, I experience pain daily in every part of my body. It drastically decreases my quality of life and makes me really miserable. It would be easy to diagnose myself with Fibromyalgia and I have gone to the doctors and said thats what I think is wrong with me.

The thing is, I just dont think any more that it is a real illness. Yes, the symptoms are real but I think they are the physical symptoms of psychological problems such as depression due to dissatisfaction in life. Actually, I think the symptoms are a normal reaction to the crazy pressures of modern life and all the stuff we have to deal with that we are not really evolved to do.

I thinks that realising the symptoms are psychological is the first step to recovery. If you give yourself a label like 'Fibromyalgia' then you are creating a belief that you have some kind of disease and you are stuck with it since there is no cure.

I think that, in fact, that you have to sort out the problems in your life, improving your psychological health, in order to recover.

However, this is easier said than done.
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Although I've never been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I had a severe case of depression when I was a young adult. I had all kinds of symptoms including pain in many parts of my body. Ever since fibromyalgia became a labeled an illness, I have believed that each person suspected of having it should be given a psychological evaluation before an actual medical diagnosis could be made. I know a few people who have been diagnosed with FM and each is having life problems and each shows clear signs of depression. Seriously, I think at least 3/4 of diagnosed patients would be found to be depressed and possibly have one or two other psych issues. No offense intended towards anyone reading this who is experiencing what they believe is FM. But I would recommend that if you want a cure, please be seen by a psych professional inorder to rule out any psych issues or if depression is found, to begin being treated to finally rid yourself of your awful problem.
 
The Lyrica was giving me a headache. I can't believe Undertow takes it for migraines, but you never know. All meds are different from person to person.

Cane, the shortness of breath happened at any position, but it was intensified when I laid down. It's getting better *knock on wood* but who knows.

I didn't post what I'm about to say before because I felt it was irrelevant, but I had major symptoms to Enbrel. The injection biologic medication (docs gave it to me because I was HLA B27 positive and exhibiting signs of ankylosing spondylitis and had chronic iritis like my dad). I was on it for 5 months (it never even helped me!) and all of a sudden one day I woke up with no feeling in my face and double vision. I couldn't walk straight and definitely couldn't drive. I had the whole "out of body" feeling. My doctor sent me to a neuro who found lesions all over my brain. That had been one of the side effects in fine print for Enbrel. It threw me into MS. I immediately stopped taking it, but the damage was done. I swear it took me 6 more months to regain most of the feeling back in my face and even more time to not feel the cognitive difficulties. I was almost like a vegetable though for a few months.
That's why some of the posts on this site upset me. Your life is nothing to f**k with. Trying to feel better, I tried a new medicine and was burned by it... even though there is no real way to abuse it.. i just took my dose as prescribed. Now I have permanent lesions on my brain and have a 20% chance of developing MS. It's almost a guarantee that the lesions will become active again, there's just no way to predict it.
I wish there was some way I could let people know about it or contact the makers of the medicine with my story!
Anyway, that was off topic... just saying if anyone notices that they are having side effects that are troublesome they should call their doc asap. It can happen.
 
LAP1026 said:
No offense intended towards anyone reading this who is experiencing what they believe is FM. But I would recommend that if you want a cure, please be seen by a psych professional inorder to rule out any psych issues or if depression is found, to begin being treated to finally rid yourself of your awful problem.
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lol Usually when someone says "No offense" it usually means get ready because I'm about to say something offensive.
I wasn't offended, but FM isn't something I "believe" I have, it's something that three neuros and two rheumys have diagnosed me with. Doctors at Mayo leave no stone unturned when it comes to examination. Each spent at least an hour examining me and I was there for 5 days full of blood work, diagnostic imaging, and even psych evals. I am sure I have it. It's frustrating to be someone who truly does have FM and see that other people are using the name to make excuses for their depression, so I understand where you are coming from. People that have FM get depressed from time to time. Having chronic pain is a buzz kill. You have to work on not being sad, annoyed, and all of that.
I don't want to have anything wrong with me. I get so tired of being the "sick friend." Though I know my friends don't call me that, I feel like they have to be prepared for my FM. When we go on trips they know I can't do as much, when we make plans they know I could have to cancel last minute... see what I mean? I don't understand why anyone would want to have something wrong with them. I literally feel like a kid in time-out when I have to stay at home and I know my friends are all doing something. So I can see why "3/4 of diagnosed patients would be found to be depressed."

The best thing for my FM is to follow my physical therapists exercise plan every day. Lyrica is definitely not the cure or even close to full relief. Some days I can tell it helps, but when the pain is bad, Lyrica doesn't even touch it. When I'm really bad I will sneak off and hang out with Mr. Bob Marley. ;)
That helps but I do it sparingly because it can be an expensive habit and I hate being a slave to habit.
People that use FM as a medical excuse make it so hard for people like me, who actually have it, to be taken seriously.
:o... okay I'm stepping off my soap box. I will stop it now. haha.
 
^Spot on, sneaky fish.

In general, lap, its not a good idea to make judgments about societal issues based on just people you've known. You will never have a representative sample. Look at scientific and professional sources if you genuinely want to understand something.

It IS true that a majority of people with FM experience depression and other mental illness but this is true of ANY chronic pain and MOST chronic illnesses. Being in pain all the time is fucking depressing and negatively affects your life in innumerable ways. Furthermore, depression and other mental illness can seriously exacerbate physical ailments.

A lot of depression and anxiety do manifest somatically... this is most often found in stiff/sore necks and backs, ulcers, headaches and other areas of the body prone to manifestations of stress. Sure there *are* some people with depression that causes psychogenic pain who are misdiagnosed as having FM.

If a person is properly diagnosed as Crafty was with neurologists and rheumatologists who do the full work up, its is VERY VERY unlikely they will be misdiagnosed with FM. If a GP/PCP spends 6 minutes listening to someone's symptoms and Dx them with it, that's a completely different story... and that does happen, but without evidence I wouldn't say its the majority of cases.

Lastly, whether you intended it or not, your statements certainly can be offensive to people who are genuinely suffering. Personally I am not offended by your views, but by your willingness to extrapolate based on such little evidence and generalize instead of reviewing available legitimate information.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^Spot on, sneaky fish.

In general, lap, its not a good idea to make judgments about societal issues based on just people you've known. You will never have a representative sample. Look at scientific and professional sources if you genuinely want to understand something.

It IS true that a majority of people with FM experience depression and other mental illness but this is true of ANY chronic pain and MOST chronic illnesses. Being in pain all the time is fucking depressing and negatively affects your life in innumerable ways. Furthermore, depression and other mental illness can seriously exacerbate physical ailments.

A lot of depression and anxiety do manifest somatically... this is most often found in stiff/sore necks and backs, ulcers, headaches and other areas of the body prone to manifestations of stress. Sure there *are* some people with depression that causes psychogenic pain who are misdiagnosed as having FM.

If a person is properly diagnosed as Crafty was with neurologists and rheumatologists who do the full work up, its is VERY VERY unlikely they will be misdiagnosed with FM. If a GP/PCP spends 6 minutes listening to someone's symptoms and Dx them with it, that's a completely different story... and that does happen, but without evidence I wouldn't say its the majority of cases.

Lastly, whether you intended it or not, your statements certainly can be offensive to people who are genuinely suffering. Personally I am not offended by your views, but by your willingness to extrapolate based on such little evidence and generalize instead of reviewing available legitimate information.
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Amen to that, Cane! Eloquent yet valid... very impressive.
 
ive been taking lyrica for like a week now. im so sick of it making me retarded. im so lazy right now and cant concentrate. oh well. have to stop taking it.
 
^are you taking it recreationally or therapeutically? If you are taking it for the latter, what condition are you treating? Also, what are your doses?

If you are taking it therapeutically you might just have to start at a lower dose and more gradually titrate up... it can be a potent drug and patients should always be started very low and gradually work there way up to minimize side effects.

If you take a steady dose daily, you will gain a tolerance to most of the side effects relatively quickly (generally 1-2 weeks) while tolerance to the therapeutic effect likely will remain constant for up to many years.

I took Lyrica for about 3.5 years and it made such a difference in my pain levels that I went from going to the ER in excruciating pain once a week, to going twice in 18 months.
 
usually i take it recreationally but lately i thought about trying it therapeutically. im taking 300mg per day.i cant concentrate very well and im very lazy. i think ill just stick to occasional recreational use.

i have depression and anxiety problems and some kind of pain all over me. this drug kind of helps but the side effects are bad. its like all drugs - for every upside, theres a downside.
 
^starting at 300mg is excessive. Most patients start at like 75-100mg and gradually raise the dose about every 3 days... anyway if you've abused it in the past, you probably won't be able to transition to exclusive therapeutic use.

Are you seeking other treatment for your depression, anxiety and (presumably psychogenic) pain?
 
hey. no ive exhausted all medicinal treatments and just getting by on the good old exercise and looking after myself. i think i manage quite well considering. probly should refrain from the recreational drug use.

theres no real evidence that antidepressants work better than a placebo anyway. the very fact that they have to carry out clinical trials to try and see if they help tells you that the effect must be negligable.
 
why the fuck would you want to snort or inject lyrica. just stick them in your mouth and swallow. yum yum.

i would suggest taking 700mg
 
The secret to getting effects from Lyrica/Neurontin is to allow at least two days in between. Just spacing them out one day apart will help, I still get some effect from taking it every other day, but you need to allow for at least two days to get the full effect. Even more is better, and taken once a week they work great, but taken every day you will feel nothing over time.

This is why people discard Lyrica or Neurontin as "not working" after the first few days, but this is not true. I had a shitload of Lyrica last summer, but wasted most of it by taking it every day, even though I wouldn't feel anything. Then I would lay off it for a week and take them again and not understand what was getting me so high. I could take like ten 300 gram pills without feeling it after tolerance had set in. For me it was really just a few days I could take it every day and get effects, maybe a week.

Then I watched a video about Neurontin on Youtube where this crazy guy was talking about how it needs to be spaced out at least two days in between to feel it and I finally got it. It really was as simple as that though you might not be able to work that out on your own. I took Neurontin for months that way, though my tolerance increased and I got less effect over time, so if you take it like that over a long period of time you may need to take longer breaks.
 
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