the lounge discussion v. september 2016

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phr said:
The people aren't different, the standards that will get someone infracted/banned most certainly is. Take a look at what will get someone banned in EADD vs TL.
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You're right - people don't get banned from EADD very often.

phr said:
The reason people in TL are hung up on what others think is because they're the people who ultimately control TL's fate. This isn't the first time someone who doesn't get that forum decides it needs to be fixed.
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Who are you pinning the blame on this time?
I can only infer from that comment that it is me - which is untrue for multiple reasons; one of which being that i do "get" the lounge. You might have noticed that i have posted there quite a bit for the last ~6 months. Why would i do that if i didn't "get" it?
You're amongst several people regularly telling me what my opinions about the lounge are, but as i don't recall saying anything disparaging about the lounge itself in a really long time, i'm going to assume you either believed me when i was bullshitting, or you're bullshitting me.
phr said:
There's no virtue in being offensive. And there's also no virtue in any type of drug use...
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That's a bold statement, and not one i agree with.
Lots of people gain a signifcant amount from drug use - otherwise why would we do it?

Drugs have medicinal uses, recreational uses, functional uses. Not all drug use is pointless/harmful/addicting/unhealthy. So to say it is without virtue is demonstrably untrue.
phr said:
Yes, "offensive" is subjective, which is why it doesn't bother anyone in TL, nor has it in the past, yet it does bother people outside of it when they peek inside.
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That's not the impression i get from this thread. There are people criticising this decision - but there are also others; lounge regulars, i might add, who are supportive of a change.

Whether you could attribute this to them having "taken offence" is equally up to interpretation. What isn't up for interpretation is the fact that they're not happy with the direction the lounge has taken.

So to attribute dissatisfaction in the lounge to "outsiders" taking offence "when they peek inside" alone is simply false.
phr said:
I don't like a bunch of other forums here and outside of this site, but that's fine, I just don't go there. I don't need to change them to fit my viewpoint, especially when they're not harming anything in any measurable way besides "offending people" that drop by to see what's going on.
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Likewise, there are parts of bluelight i tend to generally stay away from - but it's not like any other forums have had ongoing issues that have led to them being hidden from public view (and so on - various things that happened before my time frequenting the lounge or being a senior staff member).

Make of that what you will, but it's not like this is something new. The friction has been ongoing for sometime, has it not?
And as i said above - plenty of criticism in this thread is coming from lounge regulars.
To deny that would be playing fast and loose with the truth.
phr said:
Look, if TL posters go outside of their forum and attack people calling them mean things, sure that's a problem. But as it is, it's the same few people making fun of each other over and over. And those people are fine with it.
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Are they? Or are you speaking for them? Because frankly, what you're saying is not what i'm hearing in this thread.

phr said:
But, all of the sudden people drop by TL, or someone says something that's not agreeable/offensive, and it's an issue. Instead of that person saying "you know what, fuck this place it's a cesspool I'm out" they stomp their feet and bitch and complain until they get their way and they take away the right of others to do something they don't agree with.
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Can you give an example? Oh - my mistake; you did -
phr said:
You specifically do this all of the time. You come into TL and bitch about specific people and complain about its content. Why?
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I don't believe i've slagged off "the lounge" in a really long time.
You make out like i do - but really i don't.

I've made disparaging remarks about other people that post in the lounge. Note that i said "other people that post in the lounge"? That's because - like it or not, i did post in the lounge.
And as for the cesspool remark; others have said that. Maybe you're confusing me for someone else?
Not my words, but equally, not my problem.
phr said:
Are those people coming around to other parts of the site to harass you? Or does the simple fact that they have a space where they can do what you don't agree with get under your skin? Seriously, what's the point in coming to TL and telling everyone how shitty it is and awful specific posters are?
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The point is, and i quote;
phr said:
people making fun of each other over and over. And those people are fine with it. It's in the damn forum description!
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So bluelighters are allowed to go to the lounge and make fun of people - so long as you're one of the bluelighters you personally happen to agree with, especially with regards to their opinion of the lounge, or certain loungers.
I think you assume that i dislike TL because i don't like some of it's regular posters. And you've accused me of not liking people that i've never expressed an opinion about (pharcyde). To me that's weird behaviour. Seems...super defensive.
What about my "right... to do something they [you] don't agree with"? I think this is a bit of a double standard.

I'm a senior mod (who doesn't oversee the lounge) - so i'm not allowed to participate in the fun game of "people making fun of each other over and over"?
I wish someone had told me about this rule earlier - it might have saved you a lot of angst.

In all seriousness though, i think you took my participation in the lounge far too seriously, and never seemed to get the joke.
Maybe it wasn't funny.
Maybe your bullshit isn't funny either.

I'll let people continue to speak for themselves, and continue to speak for my self.
phr said:
Like I said, I don't post in EADD or wherever, and I have ZERO interest in ever going there and calling out their droppersneck or other posters I wouldn't like, or going there to tell them their forum is garbage -rubbish w/e.
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Yeah, you guys were really accomodating to the last EADD regular to stir shit in the lounge. That ended well for her, didn't it?
As for calling TL "garbage" - you also say " I just think people should be able to post as they wish and people that don't like it should ignore it"

Is that true of "tell[ing] them their forum is garbage"? You're confusing me.

As for EADD vs TL - no such rivalry exists.
If you're insinuating that i do this - i'm genuinely not sure - though you did say "You specifically do this all of the time. You come into TL and bitch about specific people" - yes, i do bitch about specific people, and their content - not lounge content. If those people have a problem with it, they could have very easily dropped me a PM telling me to cool it, or reported my - ahem - offensive posts. Didn't happen though, so why wouldn't i take it as "post at your own risk"? Does that rule not apply?

If you can't separate the two themes in your criticisms of me, this discussion isn't going to get very far.
But just to make it crystal clear, i'm not "from" EADD. I'm Australian, and i post all over the forum)
phr said:
I don't hold it in high esteem. I just think people should be able to post as they wish and people that don't like it should ignore it, unless it actually harms them, then action should be taken. Someone calling me a mean word in a forum that specifically mentions that will happen is not harm, btw.
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I'd love to know where you get your perception of me from, because it's frankly quite baffling.
I've called people in the lounge all kinds of horrible things, because "It's in the damn forum description!"

I do like to see the BLUA enforced more-or-less consistently across the forum though. I'm not sure what part of that is so difficult to relate to.
It's something i try my best to insist upon in all of the forums i moderate and oversee as a smod - which, just to clarify for everyone reading this, the lounge is not one of.

phr said:
If you guys want your own social forum with higher standards than TL, that isn't region specific like EADD or whatever, fine, propose that idea.
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Seems to be a pretty popular suggestion

phr said:
Start that up and you guys will get traffic and hell, people will even leave TL to go there. Eventually maybe TL will die out, I don't know. So why isn't that an option?
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You'll have to take that up with your smod/admin/relevant parties.
I'm just a guy who posted in the lounge for a while, made some friends, pissed some people off, had a few laughs and went back to whatever else i have been doing on the forum.
phr said:
I'll tell you why "because TL exists and I don't like what they say about each other so it must go!"
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Now you're just being silly.
 
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xstayfadedx said:
People want what they can't have... and people want to destroy things they don't understand. A few weeks or months from now... this won't even be an issue.
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This has been an issue for years and has come to a boiling point because of recent postings. The underlying issues have been a problem for members and staff alike for many years now, which you would know if you spent more time in the lounge than you have and cared to contribute to community discussions rather than use the lounge as your personal journal and battleground.
 
Bomboclat said:
This has been an issue for years and has come to a boiling point because of recent postings. The underlying issues have been a problem for members and staff alike for many years now, which you would know if you spent more time in the lounge than you have and cared to contribute to community discussions rather than use the lounge as your personal journal and battleground.
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Lol, it's all because of me get over yourself. It's funny because a couple months ago I was pm'd about the actions of others towards me and let it go. I was advised to report if it became too much (never did or really cared). However, I am the problem.
 
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Let me be clear, because apparently I wasn't. You would see that the issues being discussed here are not new if you spent more time in the lounge and contributing to the community rather than treating the lounge as a personal dumping ground. You are not special or unique, this is not about you. Calm yourself.
 
Bomboclat said:
Let me be clear, because apparently I wasn't. You would see that the issues being discussed here are not new if you spent more time in the lounge and contributing to the community rather than treating the lounge as a personal dumping ground. You are not special or unique, this is not about you. Calm yourself.
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No, I am just saying you keep trying to point fingers and speak for me. Stop speaking for me. Stop telling me what I do and don't understand. I didn't say it was about me; however, you keep throwing comments at me and then question why I respond to you a certain way... um, okay?
 
alasdairm said:
lol. i'll be happy to give you some thoughts later today. i thought it was important to let people have their say first.
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Likewise; I'm not going to get dragged into the back and forth here including whatever flack I get for posting this alone but will sum up my thoughts and reply to relevant and coherent posts later on.

But I will say this for now, a lot of people are missing the issue at hand entirely; forest for the trees and what not.
 
SKL said:
Likewise; I'm not going to get dragged into the back and forth here including whatever flack I get for posting this alone but will sum up my thoughts and reply to relevant and coherent posts later on.

But I will say this for now, a lot of people are missing the issue at hand entirely; forest for the trees and what not.
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How do we benefit from this? If you have something to say, say it. Alluding to issues without bringing them to light provides nothing constructive to the conversation.
 
I never tried to speak for you stayfaded. Again, this isn't about you. I stated that you would realize these issues are not new if you had spent more time in the lounge and cared to contribute more than just treating the forum as a personal dumping ground. I don't know how much clearer I can get on that. You will have to take up your reading comprehension issues with your tutor.
 
xstayfadedx said:
I am not, but Bombo keeps attacking everything I say. It isn't about me... but trying to speak for me just isn't going to fly at all.
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You're right, he constantly antagonizes/instigates you, but it's his problem so just ignore him. I'm sorry for going off like that, sometimes I post things without thinking.

Look The Lounge has helped me out a lot in the two years I have spent here on Bluelight. Agreeing and echoing a lot of what has already been said, if you don't agree with the content or find it offensive, then don't read it and don't participate. I am aware of how contradicting this may sound coming from me, especially after my bitch fit in the support forum after my off topic posting ban leading into the vote out thread. The truth is though, I love this place and I love the people that make it what it is.
 
Bomboclat said:
I never tried to speak for you stayfaded. Again, this isn't about you. I stated that you would realize these issues are not new if you had spent more time in the lounge and cared to contribute more than just treating the forum as a personal dumping ground. I don't know how much clearer I can get on that. You will have to take up your reading comprehension issues with your tutor.
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Again speaking for me. I do realize these issues are not new!!!! THANK YOU. I have spent almost six years in the lounge and it isn't just my personal dumping ground. Yes, some things are, but then we can compare and contrast everyone's posts. Uh what does TTYS stand for? So apparently everything must go through a filter and someone gets to decide what is fit and what is not. There we go again cracking down on every little thing.

And there Bombo goes again with his attacks and can't ever see why he is also a "problem" at times.

It's okay though... this again is not about me nor you. So please stop with the personal attacks. There is another time and a place.
 
I don't think you realize what "speaking for you" means. Kudos on your contributions to this discussion, your insight has provided countless hours of reflection.
 
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alasdairm said:
lol. i'll be happy to give you some thoughts later today. i thought it was important to let people have their say first.

alasdair
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