the lounge discussion v. september 2016

[assclass]

Thats not what he is saying. He basically is saying we can choose to become addicted or not and putting those who do below those who dont when it is clear that addiction, for whatever reason, doesnt care about how much money or power you have. He didnt say dont take this drug because _______. He said dont get addicted. Im all for telling those just starting out to consider their actions and even to not use drugs. But a blanket statement like dont get addicted will eventually drive people away. Who needs that shit from their drug forum? If they arent here, then HR cannot even happen let alone fail. It was condescending and not funny at all.

When you realize the difference between use and abuse is often addiction, the statement of don't get addicted makes a lot of sense, and since BL is/was the place for MDMA HR, not getting addicted is like the fucking key to HR.

Don't get addicted means, don't go down the rabbit hole of drugs, it doesn't mean don't stick your hand in the cookie jar.

Yes, by all means do meth and coke, eat oxy and shoot smack for fun. But if you avoid mental or physical dependance, you will enjoy yourself more and not have to deal with the terrible negative aspects of drug abuse.

 

[spacejunk]

Is the USA centric lounge bad?

Did anyone say it was?

Is there an anti USA cohort here who want to remove that aspect of the lounge?

Only one person has mentioned nationality in this discussion at all, and i was just curious why it is even worth mentioning.

I post a lot in regional forums, and i can't think of more than one or two instances of anyone so much as commenting on a poster not being a "local".
I'm just curious on a global forum why it would matter to anyone. It's curious to me that at this stage anyone should be making statements defining what (national) characteristics a hypothetical future lounge will be.

 

[Droppersneck]

you'll see my presence and influence. just not at reddit. a message board based on an already existing message board? seems kinda trivial when you think about it.

...kytnism...

its actually great. I have been ripping Wayne apart for being a d bag!

I think what people aren't thinking about is what will TL look like in the future... If you're curious you can see that future right now.

Just go to EADD and imagine all of the regionalisms being American.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but that's what it will be. People who don't agree with that will either leave or they'll be pushed out.
And that's fine, that's how things work.

However, that doesn't address is what caused TL to die off.
Bombo touched on it briefly, but the people that posted in TL back in its heyday are gone. They've moved on with their lives.
Those people haven't been replaced with a newer generation simply because the newer generation doesn't use this type of medium for daily communication. They're much more into the instantaneous quick chats. Think snapchat, IG, FB, etc. And you can even see that influence in TL over time. Long written posts and stories, themed threads, game threads, etc. were all replaced by disposable one liners.

The blame for TL turning into what it is now is being placed on the current set of regulars running everyone else out with their offensive posts. But that's not really the case. Like I said in my previous post, TL is no more caustic now than it was back in the day. The only difference is that there aren't many non-caustic posts anymore. The signal to noise ratio is not what it used to be because people moved on and weren't replaced.

But, changing the rules to get rid of those offensive posts won't Make The Lounge Great Again.

It'll just look like EADD with American regionalisms.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Time to hang up the mod stick and move on. There are so many bigger and better things out there. Best just to let things like this go. My forum before the lounge was the ESPN college fb forums. When they made it into all fb I found here. now we have a greater option but we just need the bulk of the more entertaining posters to move on, and let the rest create eaad ver. America

 

[phr]

Maybe that will change, and the subforum will be all the better for it?
The national parochialism isn't something you encounter in EADD, AusDD or anywhere else on bluelight that i can think of - even though those two forums are regionally based.
There is nothing wrong with forum demographics being tilted towards one culture or regional demographic.
But the insistence that any future lounge will be like EADD, "with American regionalisms" seems like an odd conclusion to draw to me.

Is there a reason a global forum needs to be regionally segregated? We all speak English here - i'm not sure i understand.

Perhaps those wanting a social forum dominated by American cultural themes could utilise this thread, seeing as it already exists?

I'm not implying that one culture is better than another. When I say EADD, what I really mean is their tolerance for posts that do not conform to their standards of being unoffensive. That standard is different than what it EVER was in TL.

Again, there's nothing wrong with either and I believe it's just a personal preference. However, one personal preference doesn't bother/offend people and one does, so we're in this situation...

Thats not what he is saying. He basically is saying we can choose to become addicted or not and putting those who do below those who dont when it is clear that addiction, for whatever reason, doesnt care about how much money or power you have. He didnt say dont take this drug because _______. He said dont get addicted. Im all for telling those just starting out to consider their actions and even to not use drugs. But a blanket statement like dont get addicted will eventually drive people away. Who needs that shit from their drug forum? If they arent here, then HR cannot even happen let alone fail. It was condescending and not funny at all.

Perhaps he didn't communicate clearly or I'm not understanding him.

 

[phr]

Time to hang up the mod stick and move on. There are so many bigger and better things out there. Best just to let things like this go. My forum before the lounge was the ESPN college fb forums. When they made it into all fb I found here. now we have a greater option but we just need the bulk of the more entertaining posters to move on, and let the rest create eaad ver. America

I'm going to help out until it's clear to me that the forum will not be something I have any interest in.
I have no interest in reading, let alone moderating, a forum such as EADD. (Again, when I say EADD I mean a forum with the rules they have for "offensive" material.)

However, it's not been made clear that the tolerance to offensive material is that low.

 

[Droppersneck]

With the bulk of the foreign posters calling for a safe space. I am fairly certain they will oblige. But I don't blame you ride it out till you see the writing on the wall.
Did the lounge get super offensive all the sudden while I was banned triggering this? Or is it really just waao that ruined it

 

[spacejunk]

I'm not implying that one culture is better than another. When I say EADD, what I really mean is their tolerance for posts that do not conform to their standards of being unoffensive. That standard is different than what it EVER was in TL.

I'm not sure what you base this idea of "their tolerance for posts that do not conform to their standards of being unoffensive[sic]" from.
I post in both EADD and TL, and think the perception of them being especially different is rather overstated.
The folks at EADD don't seem to give a damn about what people outside of their subforum think of them - which some lounge regulars are rather hung-up on. I don't get it.

The culture of TL is reasonably well understood by all - but I'm curious as to what it is about being "offensive" that is of value to you in terms of a subforum?
I see a lot of hostility about people who allegedly get "offended" - is that why being "offensive" is somehow a virtue?
"Offensive" is such a subjective term as to be somewhat meaningless.

I'm sort of interested what it means to you and why you specifically hold "offensiveness" in high esteem. To me it seems an oddly negative thing to be concerned about - especially as i've never really heard anyone outside of TL mention TL being "offensive".

I do hear people say they find the lounge boring. It would be cool if we had a social forum that couldn't be accused of that.

Again, there's nothing wrong with either and I believe it's just a personal preference. However, one personal preference doesn't bother/offend people and one does, so we're in this situation...

I don't know - i think your perception of what has led us to "this situation" is quite different to mine.

 

[JahSEEuS]

after being informed of this discussion and asked to chime in with my personal opinion/whatever constructive input i may be able to add? ill do so properly once my work day and responsibilities are done. as for the "john and kytn shut down the lounge" hyperbole, while its typical of loungers to be unaccountable for and view their own behaviours on the board how about we all take a step back and really think about alot of the things that have been said and done on the board in the past 12 months while the lounge has been private and in lieu of the blua (something that we all agreed to adhere by when signing up as a member of the site) and lounge guidelines how well we've all individually followed those and THEN answer why administration and senior staff have had to review and make decisions/efforts to clean the shit up. i personally welcome a friendlier, open to everybody on the site lounge with a united staff team and large member base. if you honestly thought the lounge could progress being only welcome to a dozen or so people and that anyone outside of the social "clique" be bullied out of comfortably participating forever, you're going to be very disappointed. the lounge is a community forum intended for the entire community and the rules are not dictated by one moderator who sets a poor example of whats acceptable and not. if your self appointed leader is kindred to break the rules and you mindlessly follow suit, as is proven, you will be the casualty. i look forward to greater community participation, involvement and the lounge as we knew it and loved it return to the site.

...kytnism...

I will say it took me about ten years to finally make an attempt at joining in the lounge fun, every once in awhile looking in and realizing that place is Fucking weird.

But I must say that after hanging around for a bit and getting to know some people (or computer generated responses, whatever you are) and follow d the flow of the lounge banter. I have quite enjoyed it and it has served its own purposes in helping me get through the day without turning to drugs and even keeps me coming back to the site to visit other areas when I otherwise would not.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it was nice to meet you all, and hope this can get sorted properly.

I will come up with some useful insight as to how to make this place better after I get home and can get off mobile.

I'll probably have to go through my new routine of shooting dope (now that my old routine of browsing lounge threads is closed to me) before this happens
, though. So, see Ya on the otherside.


EDIT: I don't know about being bullied out, maybe I haven't completely experienced it. There is some bit of initiation I suppose that I experienced, but it's a bit like going through the fire and coming out able to understand, and live within TL.

 

[Droppersneck]

Offensive = freedom = America = comedic license

 

[phr]

I'm not sure what you base this idea of "their tolerance for posts that do not conform to their standards of being unoffensive[sic]" from.
I post in both EADD and TL, and think the perception of them being especially different is rather overstated.
The folks at EADD don't seem to give a damn about what people outside of their subforum think of them - which some lounge regulars are rather hung-up on. I don't get it.

The people aren't different, the standards that will get someone infracted/banned most certainly is. Take a look at what will get someone banned in EADD vs TL.
The reason people in TL are hung up on what others think is because they're the people who ultimately control TL's fate. This isn't the first time someone who doesn't get that forum decides it needs to be fixed.

The culture of TL is reasonably well understood by all - but I'm curious as to what it is about being "offensive" that is of value to you in terms of a subforum?
I see a lot of hostility about people who allegedly get "offended" - is that why being "offensive" is somehow a virtue?
"Offensive" is such a subjective term as to be somewhat meaningless.

There's no virtue in being offensive. And there's also no virtue in any type of drug use...

Yes, "offensive" is subjective, which is why it doesn't bother anyone in TL, nor has it in the past, yet it does bother people outside of it when they peek inside.
I don't like a bunch of other forums here and outside of this site, but that's fine, I just don't go there. I don't need to change them to fit my viewpoint, especially when they're not harming anything in any measurable way besides "offending people" that drop by to see what's going on.

Look, if TL posters go outside of their forum and attack people calling them mean things, sure that's a problem. But as it is, it's the same few people making fun of each other over and over. And those people are fine with it. It's in the damn forum description! But, all of the sudden people drop by TL, or someone says something that's not agreeable/offensive, and it's an issue. Instead of that person saying "you know what, fuck this place it's a cesspool I'm out" they stomp their feet and bitch and complain until they get their way and they take away the right of others to do something they don't agree with.

You specifically do this all of the time. You come into TL and bitch about specific people and complain about its content. Why? Are those people coming around to other parts of the site to harass you? Or does the simple fact that they have a space where they can do what you don't agree with get under your skin? Seriously, what's the point in coming to TL and telling everyone how shitty it is and awful specific posters are?

Like I said, I don't post in EADD or wherever, and I have ZERO interest in ever going there and calling out their droppersneck or other posters I wouldn't like, or going there to tell them their forum is garbage -rubbish w/e.

I'm sort of interested what it means to you and why you specifically hold "offensiveness" in high esteem. To me it seems an oddly negative thing to be concerned about - especially as i've never really heard anyone outside of TL mention TL being "offensive".

I don't hold it in high esteem. I just think people should be able to post as they wish and people that don't like it should ignore it, unless it actually harms them, then action should be taken. Someone calling me a mean word in a forum that specifically mentions that will happen is not harm, btw.

I do hear people say they find the lounge boring. It would be cool if we had a social forum that couldn't be accused of that.

If you guys want your own social forum with higher standards than TL, that isn't region specific like EADD or whatever, fine, propose that idea. Start that up and you guys will get traffic and hell, people will even leave TL to go there. Eventually maybe TL will die out, I don't know. So why isn't that an option?

I'll tell you why "because TL exists and I don't like what they say about each other so it must go!"

 

[Vagina Lover]

Isn't this nice

All in one thread like one big, happy family

 

[Bomboclat]

I think what people aren't thinking about is what will TL look like in the future... If you're curious you can see that future right now.

Just go to EADD and imagine all of the regionalisms being American.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but that's what it will be. People who don't agree with that will either leave or they'll be pushed out.
And that's fine, that's how things work.

However, that doesn't address is what caused TL to die off.
Bombo touched on it briefly, but the people that posted in TL back in its heyday are gone. They've moved on with their lives.
Those people haven't been replaced with a newer generation simply because the newer generation doesn't use this type of medium for daily communication. They're much more into the instantaneous quick chats. Think snapchat, IG, FB, etc. And you can even see that influence in TL over time. Long written posts and stories, themed threads, game threads, etc. were all replaced by disposable one liners.

The blame for TL turning into what it is now is being placed on the current set of regulars running everyone else out with their offensive posts. But that's not really the case. Like I said in my previous post, TL is no more caustic now than it was back in the day. The only difference is that there aren't many non-caustic posts anymore. The signal to noise ratio is not what it used to be because people moved on and weren't replaced.

But, changing the rules to get rid of those offensive posts won't Make The Lounge Great Again.

It'll just look like EADD with American regionalisms.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Thank you, I don't think this is being addressed. Rather this thread has turned into a medium for throwing insults at each other.

I would like to see some real change in the lounge, but until real options are posed in this thread and discussed no solution will appear.

I refer to my previous posts in this thread, current issues can be attributed to mismanagement and a lack of community member based feedback on the current state and future of the lounge.

I will continue to wait for real discussion to take place.

 

[Droppersneck]

Damn phro eloquently dropping some truth!

This issue is so much bigger than BL, but seeing it in the microcosm that is BL, it isn't surprising.

Stand up comedians don't play colleges anymore, being triggered is an actual concern with today's youth. At the end of the day I know better than most of the liberal ethos propagated by the over seers of this site. They are wanting to join the feelings 'movement' on the campuses and I don't think it is our place to get in their way phro. Ride it out for a bit but I truly think we should convince the bulk of the actual posters to head for greener pastures. Leave in a non salty way, but with understanding that things evolve and there is no place left for us here.

 

[Bomboclat]

You're not helping droppers. If you want to leave the door is wide open.

 

[Droppersneck]

You can't blame me for being on team blexit. Just a difference of opinions I reckon. No hate for BL as it is a top notch site we have all come to love andrespect!

 

[Way|0st]

i'm still very confused as to the lounges situation - is it shut down cause it's general purpose ( shit talking) or because ppl are being too mean?

The blame for TL turning into what it is now is being placed on the current set of regulars running everyone else out with their offensive posts. But that's not really the case.

kittykat is the only one to be caught red handed running anyone off the lounge

hey guys did you notice JAHSEUS hasn't posted here he can't even find this place i bet lolol nub*

 

[JahSEEuS]

@droplets. Isn't phros whole point "if you don't like it, shut up and leave?". Unless you have some way to contribute to bridging the gap between the "feelings movement" and whatever it is that "they" are against, well then.... I think we all know where to find you. So, why not contribute or shut up?

@way not sure if for serious? I posted last night in the first couple pages then earlier today and now after my new daily dose of needle

OT: Has anyone made a shrine for TL yet?

 

[xstayfadedx]

Girl you are not shit, you are the shit. I think you have accomplished a great deal at a young age against rather rough odds. You are an inspiration to me.

If you wonder why, because I struggled hard to get my degree, it was my first go on probation and if I failed my classes I was going to prison. I wanted an education and couldn't afford university. Going to community college does not make you less of a person, it just means you made the best of your circumstances and the classes are just as challenging and you are held to the same standards.

Do not let someone bring you down like that. I tried to explain to people that community college is the same as regular college, but no they don't get it, but they didn't get into college or even out their homes.

Phro wasn't the best or worst guy until he got his title and yes he let us down. Does he deserve exile, not really if he wants to be a contributing and positive member of the community.

*cut out a huge rant*

I hope you know that I was being sarcastic about everything. Nothing anyone has ever said in the lounge has hurt me... nor, do I care if phr keeps or loses his mod. I just think this whole thing is tiring and the same old story. Someone gets really offended and the plans to "save" the lounge keep further destroying it.

The lounge was definitely "worse" back in the day imo. Now that it is private....it only made the whole clique thing even relevant and in existence.

People want what they can't have... and people want to destroy things they don't understand. A few weeks or months from now... this won't even be an issue.

 

[Way|0st]

@way not sure if for serious? I posted last night in the first couple pages then earlier today and now after my new daily dose of needle

dammit


& do we really need to be quoting dopemasters posts srsly guys

 

[Bomboclat]

So, why not contribute or shut up?

Great point, I wish more would heed your advice.
(Looking at you stayfaded and droppers)

Ali, I believe it's time for you to chime in. The only other senior staff member who has made an effort to contribute to this discussion is SKL, who between battling it out with community members has suggested we join the ranks as a means of countering poor management. While I think that ignores at least one of many real issues, it's a start.

Care to comment or add your own thoughts to keep a constructive conversation going? Or would you rather we tire ourselves out before you come to leave your final thoughts?