I don't see how it has to be such extremes here. I think we need a change of moderators and maybe some clarification of the rules.
There is a clear rule on jackassary and this problem could have been stopped if there was action taken. I for one and not going to be scared into leaving Bluelight to go shit post on Reddit. I would much rather play nice on here and anyone who wants to leave can, you don't have to type bluelight.org into your browser.
I am not going to make much excuses for my past actions, I did get warnings and such and it worked and I learned from the errors of my ways, kinda slowly but I learned. I do realize that this site has been bully or bullied for quite some time. That really should change especially for bluelighters who just do not wish to engage and by the time they do their anger is quite pent up.
The main problem I see going on here is the posters that post on topic and seem to be getting along just fine are the ones getting the most shit and honestly I see the trolling of other people just as annoying as myself being trolled.
Hopefully no one will take the lounge for granted and there will be actual lounging because right now it is more like a middle school hallway in here.
I want everyone to know I read everyone's post in here.
So the same jokes over and over that aren't even funny except to maybe one or two people, just like the main problem is one or two people.
That being said a few bad apples can spoil the bunch so hopefully we can just all be adults here and I honestly think that the powers that be are waiting for everyone to calm the fuck down.
Some people regret their actions and I can't exactly say I was the best poster at times. I was a real asshole but I noticed when I stopped being one the flack was directed at me.
That being said I do owe an apology to TNW and I think I sent him one and I miss him posting in the lounge. Don't mean to single you out but I was a dick about the cancer thing, I suppose I was rather bitter about some shit I was going through and it is easier to hide behind a fake persona in the lounge but that doesn't mean I ever will again.
I really tried to never take out my problems on other people but there is quite a bit of that going on these days and it is the same few who talked shit about me for stopping IV drug use and ironically enough they talked shit to me for it too. You can't win with trolls but it doesn't help when mods give them special treatment.
I wasn't lying about my drug and sex life but it wasn't really something that people needed to know, but I suppose it was all I had in my life at the time and I really appreciated the support that I got when I strove for something more in life and now I am a bit careful about going into detail about it so I find myself asking more questions than answering them.
I think it is a bad idea to dumb down the lounge to a lowest common denominator thing and that is what happened in my sincere opinion. I think the election going on in the States brings out the worst in alot of people and maybe it is not just the States but regardless politics shouldn't be discussed here because that is very serious stuff but most media dumbs it down quite a bit so a few posters have decided to try to turn this into Fox news or something.
So I think the biggest issues are the severe personal attacks that go on for long periods of time and really those are the ones mods do fuckall about. I brought up TNW because I wish I never jumped on that bandwagon. I get I started a thread calling him emo or depressed when he had little or no reason to be depressed but it had just been a long time since I had been depressed.
Life can be tough. We do have a bit of a community here and those who are more concerned about how they think it should be run and what shit should be allowed to fly are thinking in the most self serving terms. I do think personal attacks will be addressed.
There is a huge difference between two people joking back and forth and Jigga and I would be an example of people joking back and forth and when it got too far we too it to pm for a bit and it was like "ok we are friends here or were, whats up", "yeah that was dumb, we cool, sorry bruh", "likewise" to sum up the conversation we had on that.
Usually if I pm someone or get a pm from someone regarding posts it is taken seriously as in we work it out. That doesn't always work with some people and those are probably the people that shouldn't be posting here. There has to be some sort of compromise and I doubt it is a change or rules.
So basically just a few things need to happen on the user's end here:
1) We need to stop taking the site for granted
2) We need to treat each other better
3) There are certain patterns of behavior that need to be addressed and basically you shouldn't say anything on here that you wouldn't say to that person face to face. So imagine that person was someone you had to see in daily life and wasn't exactly a pushover and that they are in fact a human being.
4) I think just about everyone should realize there is a human on the end of each computer screen here. There are a few people who lose their shit and sometimes the worst types of behavior is rewarded and that needs to stop
5) There really doesn't need to be ganging up on people who really do not deserve it. I get some people take a while to get with the program, but usually the posters that we don't want here do leave. I get I am not the most popular guy at times but the irony is that all happened when I stopped being a fucking dick to people.
6) There outta be a clear difference between opinion and fact. So saying something repeatedly won't make it true and neither will trying to use a lie will either and that applies to people lying to themselves as well as people who just like to talk shit and even if you don't get a rise out a the person it seems like there is a general applause for being a real POS lately.
7) If someone is having a rough time and is a long time poster, the last thing anyone on here out to do is make their day worse by telling them it is their fault. It is even worse if they believe it just cuz it was said enough and I got fucking pissed at some of the posts I saw
8 ) Trolling just should not be happening (it made a frowny on number 8 ) hence the space)
It could be as simple as don't be a douche bag on here, really could be but having to actually type out how to be a halfway decent person shouldn't even be needed and I never thought I would be the one saying this to anyone but yeah that is exactly what I feel like this boils down to.
I don't know if you guys realize this but this is kind of what happened with tinychat and it was the same agitator. Some people are just logging on now or wondering what tinychat room people use and the reason tinychat got fucked up was Droppers and the same with the lounge.
Droppers and the people that feel pressured to play along with him outta fuck off imho and I don't care if I get a ban for saying that as long as people get to read that I said it. His actions regarding racism, classism, and such are bullshit.
He starts off pointing out lil things where he right and then as soon as he gets support he makes it all about him, does anyone go in his tinychat room? Nope, so that is what is going to happen with his Reddit room and he is scared to death.
I think the proper action is to do what should have been done a long time ago and that is to hold him to the same rules. He plays a rather insidious games of pointing out some bullshit and then completely uses it as an excuse to do and say some fucked up shit. He does not reply to pm's.
Also I hope you realize his persona is fake. He acts like Donald Trump to be honest. His whole persona is built on lies and he will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. I could really say some nasty shit told to me by some people who actually know him but I kinda already went there and really going there isn't going to solve anything.
I just personally don't have shit to say to him but that never stops him from talking to me and really it wasn't about me the most recent bullshit he did but I think that really divided us because he had no fucking right to highjack a RIP thread.
As far as Phro I think he just buckled under the pressure a bit during a rough time in the lounge and wants to hold on to his mod position but people have been de-modded for less and honestly we do need someone new and it isn't about phro at all.
I think maybe we should start nominating mods for the lounge and if people want it that would be fine. I don't think this is the proper thread for it but I there a few people that I think could fit the bill and like one suggested could fill in for a bit As far as if that is a good idea or how to go about that, I really do not know.
I would think maybe a nomination thread of people that would be responsible enough for the task as well as some people with some experience and it would help if it was someone who was a lounge member at least from time to time that people like. That being said I think that for such an active forum the burden should be shared between more people.
Also I think the rules should be more across the board and sometimes they are way to unforgiving and we can't seem to be mature enough to vote here because it turns into a popularity contest. I personally have seen people change when they mod a stressful forum such as TL and then seem much better when they stop and usually they say something along the lines of good riddance.
Ok so I think that most people have learned their lesson, I do. I think some people will never change. I think that dropping a ban after a day is not cool and yeah I get it is act staff discretion but I never asked for my ban to be lifted and mine was two months, after those two months I think I got maybe one and yeah I kinda deserved it but seeing how I had behave myself it was short.
Honestly I felt like a dick because the mod actually took some time to write to me and I just felt like a complete asshole, I think I deserved that last ban but the reason given for the ban was bullshit but honestly I am surprised it actually comes down to technicalities so I really do not see why the "jackassery rule" was not use there or really ever.
If we just enforced the jackassary rule we would not be in the state we are.
So yeah, after everyone calms down a bit I think most everyone will be aware that the lounge or this site is not their God given right. I also think it is really sad that people take it for granted, want to email mods about technicalities.
Let's not forget a ways back that Dropper's wrote a huge thing on how he likes to troll and how he is the best at it. He said he does it over a long period of time and repetition is the key and so is making people think they are not being trolled so I really think if the people who mod the lounge were to I dunno, ban him, we could put the lounge back up, and I think 99% of posters would move on.
That being said we probably need moderators to cover the entire demographic here. I rarely here any minority groups complain about being singled out and being overly PC is kinda just as racist or whatever-ist that applies. Droppers is the one saying things are too pc but he is also the only one being given a free pass and so yeah he gets banned for a day or two, its not working?
We are all drug users here for the most part so it is not like most people on here do not know what it is like to be treated poorly for something we can't really help having the desire or need to use drugs at times.
I never really asked for drug problems and this site has helped me tremendously and the positive outweighs the bad. That being said Kytn is right that most this stuff is rather recent.
There has been a shitload of bad things to happen to drug users in general especially with the increasing amount of overdoses due to carafentynal or whatever fentynal analogue is being put into heroin and/or passed off as it. So that type of thing really hit home.
The last thing we need on here is for someone to be really upset and to come on here and get a load of shit just for going into the social discussion room. I have been pissed about his actions and I know I am not alone. I think on one the reasons some people left the lounge a ways back is because and I am just going to quote one them "I am sick of seeing the same people post the same stupid shit and get banned only to have it dropped a day or two later and now it is just geetting worse and that last shit, well I wish I could ban him for something" and that was a moderator and I am not going to say who but it is someone everyone on here likes.
So I am not sorry for singling out Droppers on this. He really has pulled some scumbag moves and if I get a ban for it that just shows how he gets a free pass for shit way worse than what I said because I am calling out his behavior that has been a problem for quite some time and it seemed to take everyone including myself until maybe the last year to realize it.
But if the people here can't see that it is mainly the actions of a few people, then I don't know what to say.
Not fixing the lounge soon will drive people to Reddit which is not really that good and I for one won't be going anywhere. Dividing the lounge is stupid idea and stalling for an indefinite period of time won't help. I am not speaking for myself as I am fine being patient on the matter but it seems like most people feel like the battle is already lost.
So I think that maybe it would be for the best that if we could have a forum for some temporary mods who have proven their worth in the past and are willing to take on the task to open up the lounge, but with the expectation that people will behave themselves so maybe like a probationary period to see if people are willing to act civil while this matter is sorted out.
I am only suggesting this because I know some people post here just about daily and never take breaks from the site or even the internet and even though I do and could wait a month or two on this, I doubt most people here want to wait through the weekend, so maybe giving at least a vague time span would be another option.
All that being said I really want everyone to be patient. This is definitely my last TLDR post on this subject. I guess I do feel bad that this has been a community a long time before me and would hope it would stay going.
Bluelight helped me get through some rough times. Who would have thought I would get off the needle or morphine and such. I feel like I have gotten to a better place in my life and this site played a large part in that. I don't know how things would have turned out for me if I hadn't had the support of people on here through some difficult stuff and I know I am not the only one who feels that way but I am publically saying it.
I also thing that there are times when people should be forgiven, but it really can't happen until their attitude changes and honestly I think the special treatment some members get encourages the behaviors the rules are meant to discourage. I really do not see how the rules on here are even that tough to begin with and usually if someone gets a ban they deserve it.
