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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

Except you can get the vaccine if you go to the hospital right away before rabies "sets in" and it will save you.

But yeah, other than that...

I've always wondered what it would be like for a human who got rabies... animals become extremely aggressive and try to bite you, which spread it. Do humans also become extremely aggressive and try to bite? Or what? Does anyone know?
 
Xorkoth said:
Except you can get the vaccine if you go to the hospital right away before rabies "sets in" and it will save you.

But yeah, other than that...

I've always wondered what it would be like for a human who got rabies... animals become extremely aggressive and try to bite you, which spread it. Do humans also become extremely aggressive and try to bite? Or what? Does anyone know?
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stephen king knows
 
Xorkoth said:
Another example of a vaccine that works is tetanus. Ever looked into tetanus? People used to get that shit. It's not a virus, though, but the toxic metabolites of a bacteria that causes it. You have a ~50% chance of dying from it and it causes horrific muscle spasms/locking to the point they can break bones they're so strong, and you can't open your jaw. It lasts until the nerve cells it's affecting die and are replaced by new ones. Sounds like one of the most horribly painful and terrible diseases you could possible get. But to my knowledge no one who is vaccinated against it ever gets it.

And another is rabies.
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But again even with Tetanus it is still freely admitted that you can see get it even if you are vaccinated. Look at the language the institutions use, it clearly indicates that:
Most people who get tetanus have either not been vaccinated against it or did not complete the entire vaccination schedule. - NHS
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Once you are fully immunized, you are very unlikely to get tetanus - National Academies
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It's not stated that you 'will not get tetanus'. Only that it's 'unlikely'. Which is basically legalese for saying, "well, this thing appears to work, but don't count on it and certainly don't blame us if it doesn't".

Either it works or it doesn't. Which is it? I find it quite perplexing that people just overlook this whilst simultaneously defending, rigorously, that vaccines do work. If it works then it should work. That is the foundation of science; the reproducibility of a result based on a hypothesis that you're testing against. If people are still getting these conditions despite being vaccinated, then clearly there is something wrong with our understanding somewhere and it is simply a matter of belief that vaccines 'work'.

Study shows tetanus shots needed every 30 years, not every 10
“We have always been told to get a tetanus shot every 10 years, but actually, there is very little data to prove or disprove that timeline,” says Mark K. Slifka, Ph.D., a professor at the Oregon National Primate Research Center at OHSU. “When we looked at the levels of immunity among 546 adults, we realized that antibody titers against tetanus and diphtheria lasted much longer then previously believed.”
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There you have an expert admitting, clearly, that once again the pharmaceutical industry has literally just made it up. People have been led to believe they need it every 10 years, and here is an expert just openly admitting there isn't even the data to justify that decision. Sounds awfully like covid vaccines doesn't it.

I'd wager money the actual reason Tetanus incidence has decreased is again not because of vaccination but because of steadily improving diet, and that susceptibility and severity is directly related to deficiency in one or more key nutrients. A quick google search seems to indicate Vitamin A and C.
 
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It's not stated that you 'will not get tetanus'. Only that it's 'unlikely'. Which is basically legalese for saying, "well, this thing appears to work, but don't count on it and certainly don't blame us if it doesn't".

Either it works or it doesn't. Which is it? I find it quite perplexing that people just overlook this whilst simultaneously defending, rigorously, that vaccines do work. If it works then it should work. That is the foundation of science
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Okay... So (to be consistent) let's discount a lot of other medications too and pretty much all surgeries?

Chemo either works or it doesn't.

Open heart surgery either works or it doesn't.

Condoms either work or they don't.

Should I go on?

TripSitterNZ said:
Covid 19 vaccine made me spew blood
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You always make me laugh.
 
Xorkoth said:
I've always wondered what it would be like for a human who got rabies... animals become extremely aggressive and try to bite you, which spread it. Do humans also become extremely aggressive and try to bite? Or what? Does anyone know?
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Humans do become agitated and delirious, but don't go around biting people

 
That’s fucked but…that where euthanasia is a mercy..also, as your sig. some gas light come on with one gallon (20ish)miles left and other 2gallong(40ish)miles left, so your best to find out which car you have
 
-=SS=- said:
But again even with Tetanus it is still freely admitted that you can see get it even if you are vaccinated. Look at the language the institutions use, it clearly indicates that:


It's not stated that you 'will not get tetanus'. Only that it's 'unlikely'. Which is basically legalese for saying, "well, this thing appears to work, but don't count on it and certainly don't blame us if it doesn't".

Either it works or it doesn't. Which is it? I find it quite perplexing that people just overlook this whilst simultaneously defending, rigorously, that vaccines do work. If it works then it should work. That is the foundation of science; the reproducibility of a result based on a hypothesis that you're testing against. If people are still getting these conditions despite being vaccinated, then clearly there is something wrong with our understanding somewhere and it is simply a matter of belief that vaccines 'work'.

Study shows tetanus shots needed every 30 years, not every 10

There you have an expert admitting, clearly, that once again the pharmaceutical industry has literally just made it up. People have been led to believe they need it every 10 years, and here is an expert just openly admitting there isn't even the data to justify that decision. Sounds awfully like covid vaccines doesn't it.

I'd wager money the actual reason Tetanus incidence has decreased is again not because of vaccination but because of steadily improving diet, and that susceptibility and severity is directly related to deficiency in one or more key nutrients. A quick google search seems to indicate Vitamin A and C.
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This study show that when someone is bitten by a rabid animal, if the vaccine is given in time, it is 100% effective (no one has ever gone on to die from it after being given it after exposure, in time). Contrast that with only 15 documented cases of someone EVER surviving rabies after contracting it without the vaccine.

A Look at Each Vaccine: Rabies Vaccine | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

Rabies vaccine is unique in that it is most often used after exposure to the disease. For people who get vaccinated as a preventive measure three doses of vaccine are given.
www.chop.edu www.chop.edu

The tetanus vaccine has a "virtually 100%" rate of working against tetanus. I wouldn't be surprised if it is needed less often than every 10 years (I see a couple of studies suggesting more like 30 years), but that is a much different statement than saying it doesn't do anything.

No medicine or, really, much of anything, other than physics and math, is ever 100%. But that doesn't mean everything except physics and math is bullshit snake oil.
 
nepalnt21 said:
source, please
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The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19 (Figure 2)
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The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19
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www.medrxiv.org

Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine

Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether a bivalent COVID-19 vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods Employees of Cleveland Clinic in employment on the day the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine first became available to employees, were included. The cumulative incidence of...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
 
^ I'm sceptical.

A) People who are vaccinated are more likely to do frequent RAT tests and PCR tests.
B) People who are vulnerable (elderly, disabled) are more likely to be vaccinated and less likely to be asymptomatic.

...

But, like I've said repeatedly, I don't care. The vaccines are shit.
 
missing context...

from the study conclusion:

We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed.

In conclusion, this study found an overall modest protective effect of the bivalent vaccine booster against COVID-19, among working-aged adults. The effect of multiple COVID-19 vaccine doses on future risk of COVID-19 needs further study.
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apparently getting MORE FREQUENT doses of the vaccines may be contributing to a higher risk of re- infection...

but also from this study, i was surprised to learn that there was substantial protection from contracting covid-19, which is good news to me.

i just thought it provided protection from SEVERE disease/ death... good to know it also helps curb infection in the first place (although this protection wanes over time, as one might expect).

it still doesn't demonstrate the truth of the claims i quoted, which are dubious, at best.
 
I've worked in neuroscience at a hospital for the past year and when I first started there I was all about testing and following the guidelines and the seriousness of Covid. My job has quickly jaded me. The testing requirements are insanity. Even at this point most are following everything out of necessity from implemented polices versus any belief it's helping or beneficial. The hospital has to implement these policies to be in accordance with the guidelines from the CDC and laws to operate legally...every email I get is from some manager or director on how we're going to proceed or handle "x" or "y" related to Covid. And I get at the end of the day that's most important because a lot of people would be negatively impacted if for some reason they would sanction us for not following those guidelines. But they are actually in some instances withholding treatment for patients who don't' Covid test. Which seems to defy all logic honestly - why are we causing harm because a patient refuses a Covid test? Why don't' we implement this for every single virus or bacteria known to humans that has a vaccine available? My guess is the CDC will continue to slowly lessen their guidelines and eventually Covid will be a thing of the past no different than the flu. And I'm not saying before the vaccines focusing on Covid wasn't important, it was. It was terrifying. It fucked me up horribly. We're never going to convince every human to take the vaccine. The vaccines aren't the devil, they aren't going to hurt anyone and they sure as shit aren't causing pro athletes to pass out during games lol (or insert whatever extreme right wing paranoid delusional narrative about the vaccine here). But at this point we don't' even need to try to convince the ignorant anymore. It's about as worthy of someone's time as trying to convince someone to take a flu shot at this point.
 
The median IFR was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years.

At a global level, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0–59 and 0–69 year old people, respectively.

These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested.
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I find it hard to believe that half a percent of 60-69 year olds that caught covid before covid shots existed died, but here's the study:
www.sciencedirect.com

Age-stratified infection fatality rate of COVID-19 in the non-elderly population

The largest burden of COVID-19 is carried by the elderly, and persons living in nursing homes are particularly vulnerable. However, 94% of the global …
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com
 
Covid milk? Yeah. Vax milk, idk, probably not, but I don't have to worry about that now because my girl didn't get any of the shots
 
bird.brain said:
Would you suck on a big beautiful pair of titties if they had COVID milk in them @Electrum1?

I would.
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I would. Sign me up.

As a matter of fact I think there could be something good happening here. We get the crazy paranoid conservatives the vaccine by bribing them to suck on beautiful women's breasts.

Actually I want my next Covid vaccine to be administered this way. I'm sick of the needles.
 
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