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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

Are u workbin government?Why u think know some bwtter than me?Are u know me?Are u know how many persons died from covid around me.BULLSHIT!!!!u talk SS..arw u nazi?Fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!;!;!!!!!
QUITT RIGHT NOW.FAREWELL to all
The fact someone is dead says absolutely nothing about whether covid is real or not. That is why we have the scientific method.. so we can use reason and deduction, as opposed to blind emotion and hysteria. Which is exactly what my point was about, the fact that the science has not been done.

Without the actual science we might as well be in the 15th century and dealing with invisible demons, and relying on the state (the church) to absolve us of what ails us. That metaphor is particularly apt given the levels of hysteria observed, in particular the obsession with masks.

ps My initials are SS. SS has many other meanings, 'Saints', 'Streets', etc
 
If I remember correctly I only tested positive for COVID once last year and it was just your average cold with some really shitty head aches , and I think I got sick again after that but it wasn’t bad at all and never even tested to see if it’s COVID, no vaccine and all is well
 
i think some people are literally addicted to covid. a bit like how a lot of scientist's research seems to problematize things purely as a means to an end - ie the problem justifies the research which justifies the problem, which justifies more research and so on, without ever really questioning its broader relevance or value to mankind. it just pays the wages :rolleyes:

Agreed, addicted to the fear and the toxic dialogue (being able to think of those against covid lockdowns and vaccinations as "the enemy", etc. Sadly my girlfriend is in this boat, she is addicted to reading about covid and all the stuff you're supposed to be terrified of. It's sad, because it gets in the way of her living her life.

Are u workbin government?Why u think know some bwtter than me?Are u know me?Are u know how many persons died from covid around me.BULLSHIT!!!!u talk SS..arw u nazi?Fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!;!;!!!!!
QUITT RIGHT NOW.FAREWELL to all

I know it can be frustrating in here, but don't quit because someone disagrees with you about covid. It takes all kinds.

It seems very clear to me that covid is a real thing... I just disagree that we should be scared of it anymore. It has evolved into something like the common cold, or at worst, the flu. It's anew endemic disease, we just have to deal with it. It's not the killer it once was.
 
Here are some figures that Doctor John Campbell quotes regarding the mRNA vaccine safety profile:

Swine Flu Virus (1975)
1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn
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Rotavirus Vaccine Rotashield (1999)


1 to 2 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn
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Covid 19 mRNA (current)
1 serious event per 800 vaccinees

Vaccine officially promoted
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Does anyone else see the incongruity there?






 
Here are some figures that Doctor John Campbell quotes regarding the mRNA vaccine safety profile:

Swine Flu Virus (1975)
1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn
---

Rotavirus Vaccine Rotashield (1999)


1 to 2 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn
---

Covid 19 mRNA (current)
1 serious event per 800 vaccinees

Vaccine officially promoted
---

Does anyone else see the incongruity there?
Nope
 
@Cheshire_Kat

Is there a standard definition of a serious event?

The COVID vaccines suck, they are unsafe. Those numbers 1/800 vs 1/10000 might be accurate. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just wary of believing anything at this point unless it falls out of the sky and lands on my dick so to speak.

What is a serious event?

Death is somewhere between 1/100,000 -> 1/1,000,000. This is too high for a mandatory vaccine that they're giving to everyone on the planet.

Anyone got any decent data in rates of myocarditis, clotting etc that have been attributed to the vaccines?

If I see the data and I'm wrong I'll admit I'm wrong. I want to know the truth.

From what I've gathered reading about historical vaccines, it has pretty much always been a messy trial-and-error process.

We will learn from our mistakes when momentum runs out and people have a second to stop and second guess the whole thing.
 
From what I've gathered reading about historical vaccines, it has pretty much always been a messy trial-and-error process.
The entire field of vaccinology is a farce because it's built on the legacy of a fraud, Louis Pasteur. What people seem to forget is that modern western medicine has always been about snake oil pills and potions, using fear/deception to hawk the bullshit products on offer, and of course just pilfering botanical and medical knowledge from other cultures then repackaging it. We did have a medical knowledge, one using plant based medicine and traditional remedies that were cultivated over time, but that has all been drowned out by the ruling class industrial medicine paradigm.

I haven't dived deep but I've seen a connection that the general idea of vaccination, piercing the skin and putting in a substance, was an idea bought over (stolen) from India by Jesuit missionaries and that Pasteur himself then took inspiration from it when he read about it in the Jesuit library in Paris.

Vaccination has always been about creating an 'immune response' with just enough dose that it doesn't immediately cause noticeable side effects. That 'immune response' is just marketing spin to justify the idea that it actually does something. Which it doesn't. People who have been vaccinated have still 'caught' the thing they were supposedly immunised against. The real secret of it all is revealed when you look at the statistical data for the major diseases of the 19th/20th century, and that they were all in massive decline prior to their respective vaccination being introduced. In the case of measles it had dropped 99% in terms of mortality in the USA. It was all due to the improved diet, water, sanitation, and living standards. If we go backwards on those standards, which we appear to be, expect to see these diseases making a return despite high vaccination rates.
 
You could be right, but I'm obviously not going to take that for granted any more than you're going to suddenly change your mind about all this.

If I remember correctly, you don't believe in viruses? If so, that doesn't leave a lot to work with for me.

I don't presume to have a detailed knowledge of the history of vaccines. I don't know much about it at all, but it seems there is a history of a vaccines not working as intended (along with a fair few other disasters). There are also historically significant vaccines like the polio vaccine that made a big impact. You're going to say that's a conspiracy, too, right? Maybe. I don't know much about it...

I ran into this old hippy at a festival one time. People were talking about religion and spirituality and stuff and he said in Moses time people lived for a thousand years and that we can live for a thousand years. I asked him if he meant we could be a thousand year old biological human and he said yes... at that point I felt the need to politely exclude myself.

I find your posts interesting and always well written. I appreciate good grammar when I see it.

I just can't see us finding any common ground here.

Truthfully, I just drives me crazy when people refuse to define their terms.

If it isn't a virus, what is it?

I've asked you this before and you've responded without responding.

Words are pretty random. Call it a virus. Call it a squibble-do-dah.

It (whatever it is) exists and it behaves like other squibble-do-dahs.
 
@Cheshire_Kat

Is there a standard definition of a serious event?

The COVID vaccines suck, they are unsafe. Those numbers 1/800 vs 1/10000 might be accurate. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just wary of believing anything at this point unless it falls out of the sky and lands on my dick so to speak.

What is a serious event?

Death is somewhere between 1/100,000 -> 1/1,000,000. This is too high for a mandatory vaccine that they're giving to everyone on the planet.

Anyone got any decent data in rates of myocarditis, clotting etc that have been attributed to the vaccines?

If I see the data and I'm wrong I'll admit I'm wrong. I want to know the truth.

From what I've gathered reading about historical vaccines, it has pretty much always been a messy trial-and-error process.

We will learn from our mistakes when momentum runs out and people have a second to stop and second guess the whole thing.
Yes, there is a standard definition for serious events.

Definition of a Serious Event in Drug Trials
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21 CFR 312.32 (a)


• An adverse event or suspected adverse reaction is considered "serious" if, in the view of either the investigator or sponsor, it results in any of the following outcomes:
Death, a life-threatening adverse event, inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization, a persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions, or a congenital anomaly/birth defect.
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I invite you to do some research. Please don't expect others to do the research for you.
 
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Vaccination has always been about creating an 'immune response' with just enough dose that it doesn't immediately cause noticeable side effects. That 'immune response' is just marketing spin to justify the idea that it actually does something. Which it doesn't. People who have been vaccinated have still 'caught' the thing they were supposedly immunised against. The real secret of it all is revealed when you look at the statistical data for the major diseases of the 19th/20th century, and that they were all in massive decline prior to their respective vaccination being introduced. In the case of measles it had dropped 99% in terms of mortality in the USA. It was all due to the improved diet, water, sanitation, and living standards. If we go backwards on those standards, which we appear to be, expect to see these diseases making a return despite high vaccination rates.

You're flirting with sanctions and arrest, talking all this historical misinformation that might stoke hesitancy to accepting the New Science.
 
You're flirting with sanctions and arrest, talking all this historical misinformation that might stoke hesitancy to accepting the New Science.
Fuck that. Nail me to a cross, baby! Heretical and proud :cool:
If I remember correctly, you don't believe in viruses? If so, that doesn't leave a lot to work with for me. If it isn't a virus, what is it? I've asked you this before and you've responded without responding.

Words are pretty random. Call it a virus. Call it a squibble-do-dah. It (whatever it is) exists and it behaves like other squibble-do-dahs.
More generally, yes, I believe that the concept of viruses is a misconception and that pathogenic particles we deem to be viruses don't fit that conceptual description. There's three aspects of the misconception, the visual, the experimental, and the real world. Visually, the particles that are often produced for us to inspect are basically identical to cellular components called 'extra-cellular vesicles', so much so that microscopy experts will concede they find it impossible to be certain whether they're looking at a virus or ECV. This is exacerbated by the fact that imaging takes place using electron microscopy, producing static (material has to be dead), black and white, grainy images. On top of that the material they use for imaging is a soup of cellular debris, produced by the experiments (the next misconception) - with Covid, the half a dozen virology teams that supposedly performed the isolation experiments all concede none of them purified their samples prior to imaging, in other words they literally were examining a soup.

The experimental misconception revolves around cell culture. They take a sample from a patient, add it to petri dishes containing cells to be infected, observe the cellular death (proving viral infection), and then image the resulting culture that theoretically should contain lots of replicated viral particles. The mistake being made is that these cells would die anyway, given they are out of their host system. Often they are bathed with chemicals that all but ensure this too. The stress of being out of their host environment (and the chemicals) often results in the cells producing these ECV particles as they desperately try to deal with a survival situation.

The real world misconception is causation correlation. Very easy to understand. Two people, perhaps in a family, get ill one after another. It is logical to assume something was passed between them, however never is that actually proven.. we just assume it to be true because we believe that scientific theory supports the conclusion already. With covid we use 'tests' and this further confirms our belief, but if you understand how the testing regime works and what it is based on then actually it is only supporting a misconception. If someone doesn't fall ill in the family, we automatically believe they have some immunity perhaps, but again this is never actually proven only assumed. Extrapolated across a society, this becomes a form of religious belief because we see/feel very real illness and/or death and connect our theoretical belief to this reality.. but it is a belief system because the actual proof is confined to virologists, their theory and laboratories. 99.9% of people have never even seen a virus personally.

With covid specifically:

Personally, I think it's a deliberate plot. The Event 201, the whole agenda 2030 thing, I think the pandemic was evidently necessary to kick off a wider conspiracy if you like. Which leaves only two possible solutions, because obviously some sort of conspiracy like this couldn't just wait for a pandemic to happen. Either it's real and it was leaked from a lab, or it's completely fabricated. Obviously given what I've said above, I believe the latter is the truth. Logically it fits better too.. you can more easily control a fake pandemic than hope your engineered biological weapon plays out as you would like it to.

What they did was fairly simple. Take two areas, Wuhan and Lombardy in Italy, that have some of the highest levels of air pollution in their respective regions which guarantees a baseline of pneumonia and respiratory ailments. Wait until season fall, when there's a natural uptick, then through the use of propaganda plant the seed of a new novel pathogen. We saw this with Reddit in particular, around Christmas 2020, with the whole 'falling in the streets' bullshit. China was the key to all this, because China is a tightly controlled state therefore propaganda can be managed very effectively. They can make a narrative and the outside world can have little idea of what is actually the reality.. everyone knows this, it's almost common knowledge not to believe anything that comes out of China.

Once the initial seed was planted and a degree of hysteria took hold, then the next phase started in several European nations, including Britain. This involved in early Spring 2020 the deliberate murder of elderly people and hospitalized patients through the use of Midazolam and forced ventilation procedures. In the hysteria of the moment, these things happened and seemed like the right protocols for nurses to follow, but the point of it was to generate a legitimate statistical spike that showed mass death.. otherwise obviously a pandemic could not be declared.

The ball is now rolling, people believe there's a pandemic, and it is self-reinforcing. It only becomes apparent it's lies when you examine and dissect the data, understand how fraudulent the testing is, understand the scope of the propaganda (and censorship), and a few other points.

All throughout this process people are getting ill, as they always have done, only now it is being branded as covid due to the testing regime - even at the time (in the UK) the media actually put in small print that covid deaths were counted as those testing positive within 28 days prior to death, which is ridiculous. The death statistics were straight forward, it was basically only 80+ aged people who were dying, those with chronic underlying conditions, and the obese. In other words, people who would perhaps be dying anyway.

Of course one of the biggest give away's was that influenza completely vanished, globally, in 2020-2021. There's many others too, but that one is self explanatory. What would otherwise have been diagnosed as flu was now diagnosed as covid. In itself, influenza is not viral (see above). Historically we know it's bullshit because before planes were invented flu was documented to be spreading faster than the fastest mode of transportation at the time i.e. there's no way it was a transmissible pathogenic particle. What flu actually is, is up for speculation.
 
Interesting post, I appreciate how you actually articulate how you came to believe the things you put forward. Can I ask you, if you don't believe in viruses and sickness being passed from one person/animal to the next, what do you believe is happening when we get sick?
 
I don't presume to have a detailed knowledge of the history of vaccines. I don't know much about it at all, but it seems there is a history of a vaccines not working as intended (along with a fair few other disasters). There are also historically significant vaccines like the polio vaccine that made a big impact. You're going to say that's a conspiracy, too, right? Maybe. I don't know much about it...

I ran into this old hippy at a festival one time. People were talking about religion and spirituality and stuff and he said in Moses time people lived for a thousand years and that we can live for a thousand years. I asked him if he meant we could be a thousand year old biological human and he said yes... at that point I felt the need to politely exclude myself.
Just to finish off the bit I missed here.

At first glance vaccination does seem like a wonder of modern science. People don't seem to get these diseases any more, it seems logical. I think the most obvious flaw in the conventional narrative again is the historical statistical data, which shows that all the major diseases purported to have been solved by vaccines were in fact on rapid steep decline in terms of mortality long before their respective vaccine was introduced. Measles again being a fantastic example, 95% and 99% decrease in mortality in USA and UK.

Polio is an edge case, which muddies the waters. It is unlike all the major diseases that caused the epidemics and pandemics of the 18/19th centuries, which were caused by eating nutritionally poor diets, contaminated water, inadequate sanitation, dire living standards, and very stressful workhorse lives. Our inner and outer environment was ripe for it. Historians claim Polio has always existed but this is an attempt to make data fit the conclusion, with the first real appearances in the 20th century. Wikipedia says something about prehistory, and then two localised incidents in the mid 1800's - obviously no actual proof is available, only correlation by apparent symptoms which is not a proof of a pathogenic agent.

Without drawing this out too much, Polio in a nutshell is industrial poisoning. 'Mad-cow' (BSE) is too, but from a different chemical (Phosmet, put directly on to cattle necks). Whether the establishment knew the truth about Polio or not I can't prove, but it wouldn't be too far fetched that at some point it realized the truth and acted to protect the culprits from litigation for immense damages. Damages that would destroy its rapidly expanding and highly profitable chemical and agri-chemical industries. The chemical culprit most responsible is the insecticide 'DDT'. What's incredible is that Polio has vanished from everywhere, except three places: Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan. These three countries are still using DDT for Malaria control, and remaining stocks of DDT are still sourced/used by farmers in Pakistan/Afghanistan, so it still finds its way into the food/water supply which is how the poisoning takes place.

As for the hippie.. who the fuck would want to live for a thousand years lol.
Interesting post, I appreciate how you actually articulate how you came to believe the things you put forward. Can I ask you, if you don't believe in viruses and sickness being passed from one person/animal to the next, what do you believe is happening when we get sick?
I think it is potentially more complicated than even the model we have now, where we say one bacteria/virus/fungi causes one specific illness. There might be many simultaneous factors at work in an illness, many different pathways and molecular processes involved. There may be another factor involved too which we don't consider, which is electrical/magnetic affect coming from the Sun/Earth, which is a potential suspect with influenza specifically; historically we have examples where flu supposedly spread faster than the fastest mode of transportation at the time, which is obviously impossible. There's also the possibility that what we think of as 'flu' could have multiple different underlying causes, it's just that the apparent symptoms all coincide on the surface level.

Our knowledge of the molecular domain at the cellular level is still fairly limited. What I think is the fundamental adjustment in our conceptual model of illness is that rather than our bodies continually fighting off invaders it is more a case of homeostasis, of balance, and that the body is continually trying to keep that balance by removing substances that cause imbalance. We can either overload the body with a toxin/s which throws us into a rapid state of detoxification, or we can fail to provide the body with what it needs to maintain the biochemical pathways used in this process of removal by having deficiencies in vitamins and minerals, or a combination of the two. A threshold is reached in the capacity for removal of these substances, where the daily gradual removal through excretion is not enough, and the body opts to go into rapid detoxification to bring things back into balance.. which results in a state of illness. If a person is severely compromised on multiple fronts, as was the case back in the 18th/19th centuries, then the body can't even handle this rapid detoxification and then bacteria/fungi come in and do what they're programmed to do, which is mop up the respective debris they feed on.. which then can result in blood poisoning and other complications as they then begin to colonize where they ordinarily wouldn't.

The 'germ invader' theory from a simple logical standpoint doesn't make sense. We now know bacteria and fungi are literally everywhere, in every breath we take, all over our skin, in our guts. There's clearly more weight to the idea that there's an ecosystem, that they have defined roles and are not these barbarians at the gates just waiting to get inside. If we were actually fighting off bacteria and fungi all the time our bodies would have no time for anything else, it makes no sense.

As for clusters of illness, its correlation causation. The best example is food poisoning, where there's a common contributing factor but it isn't actually passed from one person to another but could easily be mistaken to be. When someone doesn't get ill it's too easy to just believe they had some form of immunity, or luck, but in any case it is never actually proven something was transmitted from one person to another or not, only assumed on the basis of belief.
 
Agreed, addicted to the fear and the toxic dialogue (being able to think of those against covid lockdowns and vaccinations as "the enemy", etc. Sadly my girlfriend is in this boat, she is addicted to reading about covid and all the stuff you're supposed to be terrified of. It's sad, because it gets in the way of her living her life.



I know it can be frustrating in here, but don't quit because someone disagrees with you about covid. It takes all kinds.

It seems very clear to me that covid is a real thing... I just disagree that we should be scared of it anymore. It has evolved into something like the common cold, or at worst, the flu. It's anew endemic disease, we just have to deal with it. It's not the killer it once was.
Thank u man.Younger than me,but wiser u are...it's my fault to go interact with certain people.....all kind of freaks here....but hey.....i am the same more or less
 
@-=SS=-

There are a lot of "coulds" and "we don't know" in your post (which, as Xork said, is fascinating and well written).

You said at one point the magnetic/electric impact of the Sun/Earth could have something to with influenza outbreaks. Presumably, you are just entertaining a possibility, here. The word "could" implies it also "might not" have anything to do with it.

Anything is possible.

Is it possible, then, that viruses do exist?

HIV is another example of something that (to me) lends itself towards the virus explanation.

Clearly HIV is transferred from one person to another. Clearly it is the result of unprotected sex, right?

Also - historically - there have been a lot of examples of viruses being introduced to native populations, etc.

What you are suggesting is not just a conspiracy but a bunch of conspiracies that are conspiring together to create a super conspiracy.

It seems implausible to me.

I'd be happy to have a thousand year life expectancy, assuming I'm fit and healthy for most of it. I can always kill myself when I'm 800 or whatever if my quality of life isn't something I want to sustain anymore.
 
@-=SS=-



I'd be happy to have a thousand year life expectancy, assuming I'm fit and healthy for most of it. I can always kill myself when I'm 800 or whatever if my quality of life isn't something I want to sustain anymore.
Yikes, imagine working something crazy like 650 years before retirement. :unsure:
 
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