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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

i won't speak on forcing school- aged children to get vaccinated with government mandates, but saying it "doesn't make sense" to get kids vaccinated is stupid.

firstly, serious vaccine side effects are rare (like myocarditis/ pericarditis, which, iirc affect teenagers more than other age groups), and are more common with sars-cov-2 infection than vaccination (and by a LOT, i'm pretty sure the last i checked).

second, although 7 year olds are the least likely to have serious outcomes from getting covid-19, we still don't know what long term effects are possible (and long term fx from viruses are a serious concern).

the vaccines are safer than prescription and otc drugs, which hardly anybody bats an eye about when administering them to kids.

lastly, YOUNG children, like under 5, have a worse time with the virus, and die at a higher rate (especially newborns, the ifr curve goes back up from age 7, 6, 5, and up and up from there), and with things like mis-c... not sure why anyone would fuck around and gamble on their kids' health with the virus over the obviously safer vaccines (like moderna, which is what we chose to get our very young children... fuck the fda for hesitating on it so long, fucking bastards).

it fucks me up that some women declined the vaccine while pregnant (which also innoculates the fetus, iirc)... we would have LOVED the option of vaccinating our kids way ahead of authorization for under 5s. not to mention gambling on serious pregnancy complications from infection, such as having a miscarriage or stillborn, iirc...

wtf is wrong with antivaxxers???

(someone i know said this about not getting vaxxed while pregnant)

"my body my choice"

well why don't you rub broken glass on your bare feet? your body, your choice... why don't you smoke cigs and drink moonshine while pregnant, too?
Wow, just wow
 
a judge just ruled against vaccine mandates for government employees and now they gotta pay backpay to anybody affected and they get their jobs back

so the same day, the DC mayor pushes back her school kid vaccine mandate because too many kids would've been out of school next week


what a piece of shit this mayor is
I can say for a fact that Muriel Bowser is not a great mayor.
 
Wow, just wow
cat got your thumbs? why not add some substance? what exactly struck you enough to emphasize.... absolutely nothing? every time we have gotten into a discussion about the virus or the vaccines, you've failed to provide anything but hot air. this inanity bores the fuck outta me.
99.9999% chance of doing jack shit to protect them from anything and a much higher chance of causing an adverse reaction...
patent fucking bullshit. (slightly) back that shit up by finding me a half of a dozen kids that have died from the vaccines. (and i swear, if you cite vaers, i don't even think i'm gonna respond to such stupid bullshit... gimme SERIOUS shit)
 
Nothing wrong with some heated debate, let's just ensure to keep it between the lines fellas
 
How does it make sense to give kids a shot that's designed for variants that no longer exist, and doesn't stop transmission of the virus?
good question.

unfortunately, the omicron variants are evading antibodies pretty well, afaik, but LUCKILY not entirely (if i understand it, we produce all sorts of variations of the antibodies to anticipate this very thing).

AND our t- cells (and b- cells, if i understand it) are still working pretty well (and stay with us a lot longer than antibodies, which i think is why we don't need a tetanus shot but once a decade, for example) to fuck omicron up before covid leads to hospitalization level severity.


"mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have not protected as well against infection with Omicron as they did against previous SARS-CoV-2 variants. However, the vaccines continue to significantly reduce the chance of severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death, especially for people who have received a booster dose.

Research published in MMWR looked at the medical records of nearly 88,000 people across the US hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms between late August 2021 and early January 2022, which included periods during which both the Delta and Omicron variants were predominant. The data showed that full vaccination plus a booster was 94% effective in protecting against hospitalization with the Delta variant and 90% effective in protecting against hospitalization with the Omicron variant.
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Nothing wrong with some heated debate, let's just ensure to keep it between the lines fellas

sorry, i get heated when it comes to pandemic misinformation. i'm tryna stick with attacking the argument and not the arguer, just got carried away. can i use profanity?
 
cat got your thumbs? why not add some substance? what exactly struck you enough to emphasize.... absolutely nothing? every time we have gotten into a discussion about the virus or the vaccines, you've failed to provide anything but hot air. this inanity bores the fuck outta me.

patent fucking bullshit. (slightly) back that shit up by finding me a half of a dozen kids that have died from the vaccines. (and i swear, if you cite vaers, i don't even think i'm gonna respond to such stupid bullshit... gimme SERIOUS shit)
You’ve fully bought into the koolaid despite what right in front of your face, again it’s a pointless conversation, I just wanted to point out how ridiculous you comment was
 
@nepalnt21

I didn't say they were killing kids, did I?
I said adverse reaction.

We don't know what it does long-term.

If you say we do know this, you are wrong.

We don't.

I'm not convinced many kids have died from omicron, are you?

My point is: it's potentially unsafe.

Like Xorkoth said, the risk potentially outweighs the reward, which basically doesn't exist.

What is the reward?

I'm not being intentionally obtuse. I tuned out of the whole COVID thing a long time ago. Now that we've all been locked down and mandated for this long, we should just officially end it. I fear the human race is too stubborn to give up after we've invested this much in a fight. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the moon.

They will lock us up again.

They haven't finished with their jabs.

Oh, no. They like to prick us. They've got a taste for it now.

What is the reward in jabbing kids, seriously?

It doesn't make sense. The government isn't a thinking body. It is a constantly panicking machine obsessed with it's survival. They are still running on the pandemic treadmill because they're fucking brainless. They can't not take health advice and they can't take health advice. Either way, they lose anyway. Government is a nightmare. It's unsettling that the people running my country are a bunch of terrified idiots. This is where dictatorships have the advantage. They don't need to be afraid of the people. They own the people.

Too much freedom will make our society collapse.

We must cage ourselves now or we are truly doomed.
 
don’t fuckin put words in my mouth. government mandates for any drug or the like is my idea of dystopian... and i would assume anyone on bluelight (considering it’s a drug site) would feel the same. i didn’t address it because it wasn’t the point of my comment.
Well I did and I stand by it. The rest of your post is demonstrable nonsense, and if you genuinely believe everything you wrote (and it's obvious you do), then you're already in the dark lords domain at this point. People in your position inevitably fold and lash out at others in an attempt to inflict the same suffering bestowed on them (or their children).
how about addressing my talking points instead of some shitty facsimile strawman bullshit you wanna make up....
All of your talking points are not your talking points, they are just reheated propaganda snippets provided to you and all of which are demonstrably false. I'm not going to waste my time going through them when everyone here who knows the score already knows it, and then there's the rest, like you, that are just hopelessly committed to a narrative that fell apart over two years ago.

There is no point laying anything out or debating, because you're hopelessly lost I'm afraid. You were stupid enough to give this toxic garbage to your children. There isn't anything more that needs to be said.
 
The vaccine does make sense for some kids with underlying conditions. MISC is also much much less of a factor with Omicron.
For the large majority, it's just for peace of mind of the parents. Didn't they stop recommending that parents vaccinate their children in multiple EU countries?
 
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You’ve fully bought into the koolaid despite what right in front of your face, again it’s a pointless conversation, I just wanted to point out how ridiculous you comment was
translation: you have no clue what you're talking about. this is pretty much you calling me a sheep while bleating. provide substance, or take the L and move on, please. it's a waste of my time, you've given absolutely nothing and patted yourself on the back.

I didn't say they were killing kids, did I?
I said adverse reaction.

We don't know what it does long-term.
it would have to be killing lots of kids to be too risky. TENS of thousands of kids have died from covid-19. there is also long covid, and the other unknown potential long term health fx (which are much more likely from the virus than the vaccine, why would the vaccine cause long term effects? even the heart inflammation thing is more likely with the virus).

you say you've tuned out since long ago, and yet you're here pushing these empty concerns. that isn't right. if you aren't even emotionally invested, why continue to talk on a subject which is VERY serious, without the chops to back it up?

The rest of your post is demonstrable nonsense
demonstrate it.

this is the equivalent of you talking to a chick and you're all "i have a thirteen inch cock".

welp... present it, mandingo...
The vaccine does make sense for some kids with underlying conditions.
Didn't they stop recommending that parents vaccinate their children in multiple EU countries?
why wouldn't it make sense for any and all kids? the risk of the vaccine is a sore arm and maybe a few days of lethargy, maybe that heart inflammation thing which is EXTREMELY rare and (afaik, please someone find me a source if i'm wrong) isn't really killing kids.... the risk from the virus is the heart inflammation thing, PLUS long covid, mis-c (which is still a concern, even if lower), death.

your logic is kinda like saying only kids with osteoperosis should wear a seatbelt. obviously that's hyperbole, but it's a reductio ad absurdum. the logic of your argument is flawed.

don't some countries in europe not regularly do hepatitis vaccines for their kids? pretty sure going by some health departments in some other place is not how we should decide if something is a good idea... look at florida, they have gone out of their way to prevent people from vaccination. this doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to get vaccinated.
 
your logic is kinda like saying only kids with osteoperosis should wear a seatbelt. obviously that's hyperbole, but it's a reductio ad absurdum. the logic of your argument is flawed.
No it's not. I personally think it's quite unlikely the vaccines will have severe long term effects, but you don't know that they don't. You say you do, but you don't.
And still, kids have almost 0 (!) acute covid risk, and those who do should probably get vaccinated. MIS-C is pretty much gone, long COVID for kids is rare and seems always very temporary.

You know what is funny, you're willing expose your children to vaccine your kids as to eradicate the tiniest COVID risk, even before the FDA approved it to be safe (???). But yet no word on the harm that will be done by barring thousands of kids from schools...
 
translation: you have no clue what you're talking about. this is pretty much you calling me a sheep while bleating. provide substance, or take the L and move on, please. it's a waste of my time, you've given absolutely nothing and patted yourself on the back.


it would have to be killing lots of kids to be too risky. TENS of thousands of kids have died from covid-19. there is also long covid, and the other unknown potential long term health fx (which are much more likely from the virus than the vaccine, why would the vaccine cause long term effects? even the heart inflammation thing is more likely with the virus).

you say you've tuned out since long ago, and yet you're here pushing these empty concerns. that isn't right. if you aren't even emotionally invested, why continue to talk on a subject which is VERY serious, without the chops to back it up?



demonstrate it.

this is the equivalent of you talking to a chick and you're all "i have a thirteen inch cock".

welp... present it, mandingo...

why wouldn't it make sense for any and all kids? the risk of the vaccine is a sore arm and maybe a few days of lethargy, maybe that heart inflammation thing which is EXTREMELY rare and (afaik, please someone find me a source if i'm wrong) isn't really killing kids.... the risk from the virus is the heart inflammation thing, PLUS long covid, mis-c (which is still a concern, even if lower), death.

your logic is kinda like saying only kids with osteoperosis should wear a seatbelt. obviously that's hyperbole, but it's a reductio ad absurdum. the logic of your argument is flawed.

don't some countries in europe not regularly do hepatitis vaccines for their kids? pretty sure going by some health departments in some other place is not how we should decide if something is a good idea... look at florida, they have gone out of their way to prevent people from vaccination. this doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to get vaccinated.
No your absolutely right, the vaccine is good and safe, give it to your kids, why stop there try and force other people to give it to their kids to make you feel better about the retarded decision you made on their behalf..I didn’t take the vaccine neither did my niece , so at the end of the day if you think it’s a good idea that’s on you, even if reality clearly shows it’s not, my family is safe and COVID vaccine free
 
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TENS of thousands of kids have died from covid-19.
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What about all the athletes dropping on the field, I guess we should have listened when they said being obese is healthy now and being young in athlete shape is bad for your heart…it’s such a fucking joke and he really dosent understand why people won’t take the time to debate him, he thinks that chalkes up a W for him
 
There's not much more that can be said. You either see it, or at least are starting to question what you thought was true, or you're still stuck in Fauci's fantasy world.
 
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