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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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labile83 said:
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PS. The triptan alone seems to have quite a few possible issues that could arise. Do you normally take this med on the daily?
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I have been on it as needed for migraine for about 10 yrs. I dont think anyone takes it daily. I was almost daily until i discoverd two things A. msg triggers my migraines and B. the unversity cafeteria depends on msg. So, i now avoid it like the plauge and get way fewer headaches.

so, anyone with chem knoweldge want to hazard a guess at whether it was the relpax or the phenergan that pulled me back down about knee deep into the w/d hole?
 
Ziiirp said:
I'd like to chime in and propose that safety profiles depend (call that one Smartassasination) on the strain itself.

Strains, that are advertised to be particularly strong have most likely a lower safety profile. You have to find a strain, that is both relatively harmless and neverthelessd effective for your use case. In my particular situation that is a rather unique green strain. I guess green strains are the most safe strains in generally and most consistent ones effects wise.

Every strain that is rumored to be incredibly strong or amazing is a big nogo for me. Stick to your guns. Never buy extracts or "enhanced" ones.
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I saw the extracts, enhanced varieties and immediately thought, why? Big old red flag for me. I just kept thinking on how the enhancement of pharmaceutical opes really didn't do myself much good, especially the synthetics. Since there's no standards and practice on how these kratom 'enhancements' get done, I'm right there with ya. Maybe we wouldn't have to fight so hard to keep it, if the tinkered with versions could've remained a no sale item. It's not like they'll ever compete with Big Pharma and win anyhow.
I'm here for harm reduction and I absolutely appreciate your post. I hope others will also take your advice. Have a super day dude
 
I'm having trouble finding information on the effects of Kratom in a person with systemic fungal infection. Any thoughts or reference would be greatly appreciated!
 
Slow_Mobius said:
What are you taking to treat the infection?
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Nothing yet, waiting for the blood panel to see what fungi it is. Kratom and present oral thrush, breathing difficulties has me concerned about use. Obviously I didn't ask doctor, knowing that would create a bit of a barrier and unwanted attention!
 
They might put you on fluconazole. Kratom alkaloids are metabolized by the same alkaloids, so I wouldn't combine those two meds.
 
it seems like there's a decent case that mitragynine could be cardiotoxic... wish there was more study on this
 
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They might put you on fluconazole. Kratom alkaloids are metabolized by the same alkaloids, so I wouldn't combine those two meds.
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Thanks for your reply. Better to be safe than sorry! So difficult to treat this, so I'm avoiding just about everything and boy it gets painful. Kratom sounds wonderful right now but not worth making infection worse. Thanks again!
 
what do you guys think are the negatives of spendings ones life on krato0m? I have been on the leaf for a few years now ever since quitting heroin and i used to want to be off it for a while but recently i realized how much i still love kratom. i wish i had just stuck with kratom and never tried heroin because i actually enjoy kratom so much more than heroin. heroin actually just ruined my life while kratom enhances it.
 
hray7 said:
Has anyone been addicted to kratom, or had a bad experience with it? What happened?
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I successfully used kratom for almost a year before addiction set in. Kratom is a wonderful substance; many use it for legitimate medical purposes, and for many (including myself) it is a substitute for harmful substances that lead to all sorts of problems. However, those who claim it is not addictive are either misinformed or lying.

I'm now a daily user, pretty much. Once I go a full day without it, withdrawal symptoms are definitely present. I WD'd from heroin the painful, old fashioned way about 10 years ago and have had the displeasure of experiencing opiate withdrawal several times, going back many years. Kratom withdrawal is like a very mild opiate withdrawal. The main symptoms I experience are lethargy, depression, lower body aches, anxiety, chills, constant yawning, and sleep disturbances. While far from excruciating, it is still very unpleasant. Having experienced true opiate withdrawal in the past, it's more of a major annoyance than anything. As a matter of fact, the withdrawal I experienced from Effexor and Seroquel many years ago were also much, MUCH worse.

One of these days when I first fill my benzo script I'm going to man up and just abstain through the WD period and hopefully get back to the 2-3 times per week regime I stuck with for the first 9 months or so.
 
I couldn't stick to 2 or 3 times because doing that made my depression worse than being totally sober.

It was either be addicted and not depressed and functional or be depressed and drink more often.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
I couldn't stick to 2 or 3 times because doing that made my depression worse than being totally sober.

It was either be addicted and not depressed and functional or be depressed and drink more often.
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You're onto something and I would probably have to place myself in the same boat. Phenibut made me stop drinking, kratom has kept me from starting again. I pretty much agree with you on all fronts. My plan, though, is to try and be more responsible with my benzo script, in which case I could limit my kratom use to a few times a week. Of course, I've yet to be able to do this, since benzos are the one drug that gives me that "so THIS is what normal is" feeling, which is really all I want.

We shall see. All things considered, there are a lot worse and more expensive things to be addicted to than kratom, so I don't stress too much about it. I spend on kratom now about what I used to spend on cigarettes and alcohol, maybe even less.
 
Truenamebrand,
I'd like to know how this works out for you, if you wouldn't mind updating here and there! Kratom is must certainly addictive, no delusion there.
I've been prescribed high benzo dosages for about 10 year's now. They don't seem to do much anymore, even after drastic cutting dose. But on Kratom, whew sedation takes hold on me. Maybe I should change strains up...
But yeah man, be cautious of course. I guess I'm curious how others use benzos and Kratom, as I'm currently stuck on them for now. Best O luck!
 
labile83 said:
Truenamebrand,
I'd like to know how this works out for you, if you wouldn't mind updating here and there! Kratom is must certainly addictive, no delusion there.
I've been prescribed high benzo dosages for about 10 year's now. They don't seem to do much anymore, even after drastic cutting dose. But on Kratom, whew sedation takes hold on me. Maybe I should change strains up...
But yeah man, be cautious of course. I guess I'm curious how others use benzos and Kratom, as I'm currently stuck on them for now. Best O luck!
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I think after three stints with diazepam, the last of which was about three years, its effectiveness had dwindled to almost nothing, so I had my doc switch me to klonopin. Once again, however, my lowered inhibitions as a result of a brand new benzo script did me no favors in terms of limiting or abstaining from kratom. I will be getting a new clonazepam script on Monday at a higher dose and I will try again. Idk if the latter being more effective than the diazepam works for or against me in kratom reduction/abstention, but I've used less the past week with no benzos, so it's a start.

As far as sedation from combining the two goes, I don't generally experience any sedation from either benzos or kratom, and mixing them really doesn't seem to change that. This is where kratom and opiates are very different IME. Because of that I don't think there's really any danger there.

Ultimately I can do without kratom at the end of the day, from a psychological standpoint, whereas this is simply not the case with benzos. I'm determined to make more efficient use of my benzos, which if accomplished will enable me to drastically reduce my kratom intake. Again, we shall see. Such is the nature of an addictive personality...

Sorry for rambling a bit, I didn't see your response to my post until just now. I will update again this week ?
 
My dad wants to try kramtom for the itching from plaque psoriasis. I told him it might just make him care a bit less about it and sleep better( it's bad enough where it wakes him at night). Any thoughts on what color might be best for him to try? He has no opioid tolerance. On the very rare occasions that he gets cocodaml 2 tablets have him nodding.., he is 75 by the way
 
TBH I never found a significant difference between specific strains of kratom (or what were purported to be by the sellers), rather I've found a difference more in quality between different suppliers. But since we don't discuss sourcing discussions on BL, you'll have to do your own research (elsewhere?).

Really, I'd suggest he tries something other than kratom. For one thing, it can do a bit of a number of the liver (how is his liver, dose he take any other meds or substances, does he drink, etc). For another, one of the side effects of kratom, like traditional opioids, is itchiness. I am imagine that something that has a side effect of itchiness would work well to treat itchiness from another condition, but I don't know anything about plaque psoriasis.

If it's possible, I'd strongly suggest he works with his doctor to find a more appropriate medication, supplement or substance.
 
Thanks for the reply. He has an appointment with his doctor in August and he won't go sooner than that (I keep saying you should but he just wants to live through it until the appointment so as not to bother anyone.

The trouble is that the medicine with they gave him at his last appointment isn't working. So he's trying to find something to work through until his next one. I did warn him that because it's an opioid like substance they can cause itching. He drinks a little bit only occasionally like socially and the medicine that they gave him is not supposed to impact liver function … Although it can raise cholesteryl . I don't know the name of it he didn't tell me he just told me it's doing naff-all and it's been since May so I should be doing something by now
 
I take kratom everyday, usually 8G doses once or twice but recently cut it down to 5G it seems a little better. Mix with benadryl a lot. Mixed with hydrocodone yesterday that was nice. Sometimes I can drink a couple beers without getting sick on it and that's kinda nice.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the potency/quality in kratom has gone down ever since the pre ban scare. At one point I was dependent on it, taking four table spoons a day of red MD. I jumped off that train cold turkey, then a couple months later started taking it once or twice a week max. The thing is, it just doesn't seem to work like it used to for me, even when mixing with extracts.

I talked to my supplier and he thinks I am taking too much, claiming they are very potent strains which is where the whole "less is more theory" comes into play. He gave me a ton of free samples so I can't complain, but can someone please give me some insight into the less is more theory? It never used to be like that, at least not with the kratom I used to get. And is there such a thing as a permanent kratom tolerance in your opinion? Thanks
 
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