Slow_Mobius
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Kratom The Kratom Megathread
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SS373dOH
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Slow_Mobius
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That sounds like a very atypical reaction. Unfortunately the FDA does a piss-poor job of regulating anything that hasn't undergone a billion dollars worth of clinical trials, so it's hard to say if the reported seizures are actually being caused by kratom and not an adulterant.
Were you taking or WDing from anything else at the time?
Slow_Mobius
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merged wit the kratom megathread. Please post questions specifically about kratom here
To answer your question, absolutely! Many of us here have been dependent on kratom at one time or another. We can provide you with better info if you share why you're asking the question. Are you struggling with a kratom addiction yourself?
Slow_Mobius
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Good luck. IMO kratom is more benign than your typical stimulants that are prescribed for attention deficits. Hopefully it works well for you
merged wit the kratom megathread. Please post questions specifically about kratom here
To answer your question, absolutely! Many of us here have been dependent on kratom at one time or another. We can provide you with better info if you share why you're asking the question. Are you struggling with a kratom addiction yourself?
I'm actually writing a thesis article on Kratom, hence a lot of research and gathering personal accounts. I have tried kratom myself a few times and found it enjoyable but have never used it consistently. I've heard a lot of positive user accounts, so I'm just curious about the negative experiences as well
Slow_Mobius
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I've been dependent non kratom for about a year. There's definitely a risk for addiction/dependency, but it seems to get exponentially worse with increases in dose. If I'm taking a few grams everyday for a while and quit, I'll get some lethargy and that's about it. If im taking 15g a day and quit, I'll get some symptoms of mild opioid WD for a few days. We've also gotten some horror stories from people taking over an ounce a day.
IMO, based on seeing many personal accounts, using the herb daily myself, and the current literature on the topic, kratom carries some risk for addiction, but it doesn't put a finger on pharmaceutical opioids. I even find kratom WD to be far less severe than tramadol, which is a schedule IV weak opioid/SNRI (although tramadol can be worse than many give credit).
What I tell people is that kratom is probably a much better and less addcitvive alternative to many pharmaceuticals and alcohol, but if you don't keep your doses or dosing frequency within reason, it can cause nasty WDs
IMO, based on seeing many personal accounts, using the herb daily myself, and the current literature on the topic, kratom carries some risk for addiction, but it doesn't put a finger on pharmaceutical opioids. I even find kratom WD to be far less severe than tramadol, which is a schedule IV weak opioid/SNRI (although tramadol can be worse than many give credit).
What I tell people is that kratom is probably a much better and less addcitvive alternative to many pharmaceuticals and alcohol, but if you don't keep your doses or dosing frequency within reason, it can cause nasty WDs
LucidSDreamr
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specifically what about kratom is your thesis on?
where is this documented?
Slow_Mobius
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For the record, it caused liver problems in one individual, but it wasn't clear that kratom was the culprit. Stomache failure is basically not a real condition. Julesz was trying to troll on a couple forums today.. I would disregard some of his posts
kleinerkiffer
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Without posting a source no one will believe you..
I'd love to know! Can anyone tell me what's the real difference between various veins? I mean... is there a difference in the expected effects or what? Quality?
Thanx a lot!
Slow_Mobius
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I'd love to know! Can anyone tell me what's the real difference between various veins? I mean... is there a difference in the expected effects or what? Quality?
Thanx a lot!
Red veins tend to be more sedating and opiate like, white veins tend to be more stimulating, and greens are normally in the middle.
Some people say there's no real difference, but I'm in the camp that believes effects can definitely vary between different strains.
Oxygal
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Has anyone used stem and vein to help with WD from plain leaf Kratom? If so, does it actually help? I've searched the net and can't really find much info on it.
Im in the process of an extremely aggressive taper from using Kratom daily for 7-8 months. There were days I would use up to 25 g. Today, I went from 3 doses down to two and took a total of 13 g between the two doses. Aside from some sniffles and boredom, I feel fine. Tomorrow I'm going to take it down to 10 g with 2 doses of 5 g each. On Wednesday, I have some stem and vein arriving. I have no idea how to use it to taper. For example, do I start mixing it w the plain leaf therefore reducing the amount of regular kratom
in each dose, or do I just throw out the plain leaf and immediately pick up the S & V and go from there?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've kicked much harder opiates, but for some reason this kratom kick has me a little freaked out. I think bc the first time I attempted CT, I was taken back by how severe the anxiety and lethargy hit. I wasn't expecting that from Kratom as much.
Thanks!
Im in the process of an extremely aggressive taper from using Kratom daily for 7-8 months. There were days I would use up to 25 g. Today, I went from 3 doses down to two and took a total of 13 g between the two doses. Aside from some sniffles and boredom, I feel fine. Tomorrow I'm going to take it down to 10 g with 2 doses of 5 g each. On Wednesday, I have some stem and vein arriving. I have no idea how to use it to taper. For example, do I start mixing it w the plain leaf therefore reducing the amount of regular kratom
in each dose, or do I just throw out the plain leaf and immediately pick up the S & V and go from there?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've kicked much harder opiates, but for some reason this kratom kick has me a little freaked out. I think bc the first time I attempted CT, I was taken back by how severe the anxiety and lethargy hit. I wasn't expecting that from Kratom as much.
Thanks!
Oxygal
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I woke up around 5:30 AM (my normal wake up time) and had definitley started WD during the night for the first time ever. I had sweats and heightened anxiety upon waking. I took my first dose of only 5 g. It seemed to stave back the WD somewhat aside from the anxiety. I took 1.5 mg of Xanax (I am prescribed 2 mg per day and never take that much or take it daily bc I am terrified of benzo WD) and that was enough to make me really tired and actually fall asleep for about an hour this morning around 10:30 AM.
I am trying to hold off taking my second Kratom dose until 2 PM, and it again, it will be only 5 g. That will have me taking 15 g less per day in a 2 day old taper. I'm sure I will wake up in WD again in the morning, but with tapering, I know there still has to be some discomfort during the process. Tomorrow, I will hold at 10 g between 2 doses, but enter in the S & V at a 50/50 ratio.
I dont have much plain leaf left, and don't want to order more bc when I see a big pile of Kratom, all the tapering goes out the window. I'm just ready to be off Kratom for a while and enjoy life without anything to see how it goes. I love Kratom and it has been a life saver for me, but I have found I am addicted to it, and I don't want that anymore. I don't want to be chained to anything again.
I am trying to hold off taking my second Kratom dose until 2 PM, and it again, it will be only 5 g. That will have me taking 15 g less per day in a 2 day old taper. I'm sure I will wake up in WD again in the morning, but with tapering, I know there still has to be some discomfort during the process. Tomorrow, I will hold at 10 g between 2 doses, but enter in the S & V at a 50/50 ratio.
I dont have much plain leaf left, and don't want to order more bc when I see a big pile of Kratom, all the tapering goes out the window. I'm just ready to be off Kratom for a while and enjoy life without anything to see how it goes. I love Kratom and it has been a life saver for me, but I have found I am addicted to it, and I don't want that anymore. I don't want to be chained to anything again.
eye dew Things
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Hi Peeps, Yes I have been taking Kratom at least a year... Not that it's getting boring, it's also become less and less getting me motivated as much. I use daily to help wake up, I'm an early riser as well. It Sucks. I also use it too help shake off the grogginess of my Etizolam addiction.
On an empty stomach I consumed a combo of White Vein Indo/Green MaengDa, about 4 grams. I mean it helped with the 8 Etizest I ate around noon,,,, Just miss the motivation, mood lift....but at the same time I don't think I can ever see a time I will not WANT Kratom...
I dunno, just another point of view, I need a MEGA tolerance break from both Etizolam, and Kratom. It's just hard.
On an empty stomach I consumed a combo of White Vein Indo/Green MaengDa, about 4 grams. I mean it helped with the 8 Etizest I ate around noon,,,, Just miss the motivation, mood lift....but at the same time I don't think I can ever see a time I will not WANT Kratom...
I dunno, just another point of view, I need a MEGA tolerance break from both Etizolam, and Kratom. It's just hard.
LucidSDreamr
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^ so it doesn't have that motivating factor anymore? what about antidepressant effects?
this is what I use it for. I got totally clean from prescription fentanyl, but after 6 months totally off of everything. i was just too depressed and I found that the kratom eliminates it even at low doses such as 2 or 3g. So i made the decision to get dependent on it because i'd rather be addicted to something and happy and productive than totally clean but miserable and non productive. If these beneficial effects are only transient, I am worried that it might not be worth it.
also on a side not I've noticed that since being dependent on kratom, oxycodone euphoria is gone from oxy now. even a good strong dose of 60 mg, while fucking me up good...has lost all euphoria and enjoyment. the kratom offers much more of a "high" despite not being actually physically as instense at all
this is what I use it for. I got totally clean from prescription fentanyl, but after 6 months totally off of everything. i was just too depressed and I found that the kratom eliminates it even at low doses such as 2 or 3g. So i made the decision to get dependent on it because i'd rather be addicted to something and happy and productive than totally clean but miserable and non productive. If these beneficial effects are only transient, I am worried that it might not be worth it.
also on a side not I've noticed that since being dependent on kratom, oxycodone euphoria is gone from oxy now. even a good strong dose of 60 mg, while fucking me up good...has lost all euphoria and enjoyment. the kratom offers much more of a "high" despite not being actually physically as instense at all
Oxygal
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^this exact thing happened to me. After using only Kratom for about 7 months, when I did finally try a synthetic opiate again, I felt little to no effects and definitely no euphoria
Actually since starting this rapid taper, I have felt more from Kratom and stronger effects than I have in months. The first 5g of the morning just basically takes away the WD. But my second dose at 2 PM of 5 g is way stronger and longer lasting than I've had from Kratom in a long time. It must have something to do w the taper. I don't understand it but I'm not complaining. I've reduced my daily
intake by 15 g in 2 days and feel better on Kratom that I did before. Go figure. ��
Actually since starting this rapid taper, I have felt more from Kratom and stronger effects than I have in months. The first 5g of the morning just basically takes away the WD. But my second dose at 2 PM of 5 g is way stronger and longer lasting than I've had from Kratom in a long time. It must have something to do w the taper. I don't understand it but I'm not complaining. I've reduced my daily
intake by 15 g in 2 days and feel better on Kratom that I did before. Go figure. ��
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