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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Shan0 said:
Kratom isn't an Opiate. Your body dosn't convert it to Morphine. That being said your right about the kratom addiction being real. But you won't die from it like alcohol. IMO a much safer alternative if your going to do either of those which you will.
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An opiate doesn't need to be metabolized into morphine in order to be an opiate. Kratom contains alkaloids that are mu opioid receptor agonists.
 
morphine-dreams said:
An opiate doesn't need to be metabolized into morphine in order to be an opiate. Kratom contains alkaloids that are mu opioid receptor agonists.
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Ok but it isn't a true opiate. I wouldn't stigmatize kratom in that category, it's the reason why it's being banned and is banned in certain countries. Maybe if you used "opiate like" it would be more accurate.
 
Never understood why people toss and wash, i just can't stand all that dry powder.
Disolving it in a small glass of water works much better IME, just stir well and drink it in 1-2 shots, you will barely taste it.
 
4meSM said:
Never understood why people toss and wash, i just can't stand all that dry powder.
Disolving it in a small glass of water works much better IME, just stir well and drink it in 1-2 shots, you will barely taste it.
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Yep. Warm water works like a charm. I've found black tea to hide the taste really well
 
4meSM said:
Never understood why people toss and wash, i just can't stand all that dry powder.
Disolving it in a small glass of water works much better IME, just stir well and drink it in 1-2 shots, you will barely taste it.
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With the amount I take...12-14, sometimes even 18 grams in a dose, I don't think that method would work lol.

Washing the powder down with water has always worked fine for me.

Plus, doesn't the powder float to the top in water??
 
belfort said:
these days i dont even bother seeking certain effects from strains, i just mix all strains in one bag and take 5 grams..for me, it either gives me good effect or it doesnt..pretty much all kratom gives me nice pain relief but as far as giving you energy, i find you almost already have to be doing something in order for that to happen..i man, if you dose kratom, sit on your comp just waiting for it to kick in like a stimulant, its not going to happen..at least it never worked like that for me..
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We've always differed there cause that DOES work for sure for me.

Of course, it may not always be a stimulant effect, depending on dosage and strain it may sometimes be a more mellow opiate effect, but either way, I don't have to do anything to intensify it.

But I've always gotten higher off it than you have.
 
Sence your DOC was alcohol and that what your trying to get off of I would recommend kava because it feels more like alcohol so would probably work better but also none addictive so after your off alcohol going on without the lava should be easier because your body isn't dependent on it
 
Shan0 said:
Ok but it isn't a true opiate. I wouldn't stigmatize kratom in that category, it's the reason why it's being banned and is banned in certain countries. Maybe if you used "opiate like" it would be more accurate.
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Kratom is an opioid. Drugs that have an affinity for the opioid receptors are called opioid, while drugs that a derived from the Poppy plant are called opiate
 
Kanna seems to be a SSRI, so I wouldn't combine it with other drugs (SSRIs in particular) that act on Serotonin receptors.
https://examine.com/supplements/sceletium-tortuosum/
Kanna appears to have inhibitory effects on the serotonin transporter (SERT) with an IC50 of 4.3μg/mL[8] thought to be due to its alkaloid content as one of them, mesembrine, has an affinity (Ki) of 1.4nM towards this transporter.[8]
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Regarding the kava:
From Wikipedia
Kava extract has been shown to potently inhibit a wide range of hepatic enzymes, suggesting a very high potential for interactions with many pharmaceuticals and herbal medications.
Several kavalactones (e.g.Methysticin and Yangonin) have been reported to induce activity of CYP1A1. Hepatoxicity has been reported in a small portion of previously healthy kava users, particularly of extracts as opposed to whole root powders.

Numerous kavalactones have apoptotic effects on various human tissues, which may be involved in some of the purported toxic effects of kava use
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So I wouldn't use it too often, because of the possible hepatotoxicity.
 
I'm a recovering alcoholic and take kratom daily now. I am quite addicted to it but I had to make a choice to get off the alcohol. Alcohol has a way too destructive effect on my life when I used it. As some know, I take phenibut as well. I certainly can't recommend phenibut though.

Kratom is less harmful, I really feel for you guys with that crazy blanket ban coming soon.
 
Warm but not hot water works best to dissolve it as you stir, then chug it. It is so much easier than toss and wash, tastes less powdery, no choking. I put 10-15 grams in a half full bottle of warm water, shake it, then drink. It's so easy and portable. No one ever listens to me about this method though...
 
Guys, if you're doing the toss and wash, don't use dry powder! Try mixing in just enough liquid (water works but I like using orange juice) to form a paste, then press those into pill shapes and swallow them as such. Works really well if you hate the feeling of dry powder in your throat, it's probably bad for your lungs to be inhaling powder kratom particles anyway.
 
morphine-dreams said:
Guys, if you're doing the toss and wash, don't use dry powder! Try mixing in just enough liquid (water works but I like using orange juice) to form a paste, then press those into pill shapes and swallow them as such. Works really well if you hate the feeling of dry powder in your throat, it's probably bad for your lungs to be inhaling powder kratom particles anyway.
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I don't understand all you guys having so many complaints about dry powder.

Maybe it's just me, but I swallow MASSIVE amounts just by packing it in my lower lip, one tea spoon at a time, and swallowing with water.

It's not hard, and I do it in such a way that I barely taste the powder at all before it goes down my throat and I don't get it stuck in my throat either cause I don't swallow too much at a time which is something you guys need to watch.

It just leaves me bloated for about 45 mins as it digests and I'm probably swallowing 3 times the amount you guys are, plus I have to piss a lot from all that water but whatever.

I don't mean to come of as bragging (it's not much to brag about lol) but I just don't understand SO many complaints about how hard it is to take this stuff and I think you guys just don't have my technique down.

For me it's always been simple: 1) pack my lower lip with a tea spoon 2) slowly and gradually wash it out of my lower lip with the help of my tongue releasing particle by particle as I sip my water 3) rinse and repeat with more water till I am done dosing 4) feel very bloated and need to piss a lot for 45 mins as it digests and usually take some Gas-X which helps with the discomfort 5) once 45 mins have passed I've usually finished my "piss-fest" lol, and my stomach has usually settled and I'm high as hell.


Plus, if you are like me and swallowing 12-14 and SOMETIMES as much as 18 grams, how many of those pill-shapes would you have to make??

Sounds like an interesting method and maybe I'll try it sometimes, but it sounds like a lot of preparation for someone who needs to swallow as much as I do to get a good effect.
 
alexvolume2 said:
Warm but not hot water works best to dissolve it as you stir, then chug it. It is so much easier than toss and wash, tastes less powdery, no choking. I put 10-15 grams in a half full bottle of warm water, shake it, then drink. It's so easy and portable. No one ever listens to me about this method though...
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Hmmm, I may try out your method and Morphine-Dreams.

I am kind of stuck in my way of doing it because usually it isn't that hard but it DOES take like 10-15 mins of swallowing powder and is time consuming and causes temporary bloating.

Your method sounds interesting though and even if one way works there are often better methods so I am pretty sure I will get around to trying this one eventually.

Not sure about Morphine-Dreams method of forming pills though with such large amounts as I use.
 
Everyone is different, I wish I could deal with the dry powder, but I just choke and gag every time. If you can do it, more power to you!

The "pills" are kind of annoying in that you have to swallow a lot of them, or really big ones. I find it to be a lot easier and better than downing a bunch of 00 capsules though, which is what I was doing before. I've done it with 20g before which I can't even imagine doing with gel caps. It feels more like swallowing food to me than swallowing large pills.

I do like the warm water method that alexvolume mentioned too, it definitely helps, but I still dislike the taste of kratom enough that I'd rather toss and wash. That's just me though, I'm sort of picky to begin with.
 
Merged the kratom as an alcohol replacement thread into the kratom megathread. If everyone could utilize the megathreads a bit more it would make things a lot easier/more organized. Not trying to bitch, I felt this was the best thing to do with this thread though. I could have sent it to BDD, but it will receive more responses in OD, so I merged it.
 
kleinerkiffer said:
Regarding the kava:
From Wikipedia

So I wouldn't use it too often, because of the possible hepatotoxicity.
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Yeah, kava is not something to indulge often. Not to mention, it tastes HORRIBLE!!! Ugh! You will get to a point where you either vomit or think about vomiting when you drink it. Also, I had a bad reaction where my face turned red after drinking it so there was definitely a toxic reaction. I looked closely at my face and there were little red dots all over. Went away in a day or two, but it looks bad.

There is a way to prepare kava in order to get the most out of it. You need to do your research and get quality root powder to make a strong drink. You also have to buy this lil' mesh bag thing to put the powder in and squeeze it in a bowl of water multiple times to get all the goods out. I haven't done it in a LONG time, but do research on the process of making it. You won't feel anything from extracts and crappy shortcuts. You have to do it right.

One thing I remember is drinking kava, then taking benzos was pure bliss. The kava made the benzos strong as hell. Probably not recommended, but that's what I did sometimes.
 
Some real interesting comments here, I think I will buy whatever is going to be banned asap and refer here for rules about mixing things up, then buy and try the 5-htp and whatever else crops up that does not get banned.

My White Vein Sumatra arrived today so left it till late, about 7pm, then T&W'd 5g to see if it might work better than the 1g every 2 hours.

There was a difference, 2 actually. Firstly I was anxious and grumpy till 7 instead of my usual 4pm, and second I don't think I will need to redose, which saves on the washing up I guess.

This Sumatran even at that dose does not feel as euphoric as my last purchase of White Sumatran, so it is all really up in the air as to batch quality etc I guess.

Still, it's keeping me off the beer and that is all I ask.

Thanks.

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Thanks for merging my thread here, I think it will help. R.
 
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