Damn 18 grams?!?how long has she been using?
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Damn 18 grams?!?how long has she been using?
Eveleivibe
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We're not allowed to answer that as it's against the BLUA sorry (man, that was difficult to find via the SE, good job I had the link stored).
Evey
I've told you before that that is a dosage I've used at times to get high, but you know that my tolerance was even higher before.
Currently 18.5 grams is the most I'll allow myself to take in a single dose.
It's always been 18. Her dosage hasn't changed much at all. Mine went down. I've read that a lot of people don't change doses even over a long time with plain leaf. The point I was making is it takes more for some people and it has nothing to do with tolerance increasing.
morphine-dreams
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I'm thinking about getting into kratom again because I loved the buzz and it didn't really feel like an opiate per se to me (loved the stimulant properties too). Any ex addicts have any luck using kratom after getting clean, just occasionally? Honestly kratom withdrawal was some of the worst for me because of the short half life, and that was before I got into harder shit, but I also used extracts so I mostly blame those for the awful withdrawal.
I love Kratom personally but it has is dark side for sure...
What kind of effects do you get from 3-FPM and can you vouch for its safety, at least in your personal opinion??
No offense, but how do you not know what benadryl is??
It's just diphenydramine which is over the counter allergy medication that also can be used to put you to sleep and some people take OBSENE amounts to try to trip which is probably pretty bad for you.
It's also in Tylenol PM.
Are you from the U.S.A???
If not I could understand not knowing what benadryl is but if you ARE than I am quite confused as to how you could have never heard of it.
It probably goes by other names in other countries.
Eveleivibe
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Ahhh yes we call it nytol here thanks. I'm from Wales.
Evey
Evey
Retired Trashcan
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Sort of. I use it more than occasionally because right now I can't deal with opioid PAWS while I'm greiving my wife. I was using it when she was still here as a mantainance drug. I don't get into money trouble with it like I did with street drugs, I have a vendor who sells reasonablely good Kratom at a super good price. I am dependent on it though, just like if I was taking methadone or subs and it isn't as good at making me feel better as a stronger opiate/opioid would be, but it's good enough; I still have the occasional 'party moment' with it. I hope that helps some. RT
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
Can ye snort kratom? I can't stand eating it it's foul.
Evey
Evey
Anyone here mix kratom with matcha? I've found that, especially when sick, mixing up a dose (about 5 grams for me on average) of kratom with about a teaspoon of matcha and a dash of stevia can be really good. The caffeine-theanine mix in the matcha blends really well with the kratom and can both increase the euphoric/"upper" effects as well as the more relaxing effects.
Plus the flavors blend pretty well.
Plus the flavors blend pretty well.
Znegative
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Imagine how much powdered leaf you'd have to snort, and even then I'm not so sure about its water solubility. Try taking the capsules.
Kratom is a weird drug, I can take high dosages and get an opioid effect, and then still take low dosages and get a stimulant effect. I wonder if at different dosages it targets different receptors. I'm also curious as to whether there is a complete cross tolerance with other opiates.
Slow_Mobius
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I've been taking kratom pretty much on the daily for almost three months now. My tolerance has gone up from about 9ish grams a day to usually 11ish grams and 2.5g doses instead if 2 gram doses. I can definitely tell I'm getting marginally less euphoria/stimulation from it, but it still works pretty awesome for me as a pain reliever.... It just seems like I should have built up way more tolerance by this point since I dose pretty much all day every day
So, does anyone think that small doses might just not be that addictive? Other opioids seem to skyrocket my tolerance in days... But this stuff just seems to maintain at a very level experience. Do I just have very lucky body chemistry?
I read somewhere that low doses primarily target delta receptors that are more analgesic, less euphoric, and less prone to tolerance buildup from excitotoxicity ( will look for source).
Any thoughts?
So, does anyone think that small doses might just not be that addictive? Other opioids seem to skyrocket my tolerance in days... But this stuff just seems to maintain at a very level experience. Do I just have very lucky body chemistry?
I read somewhere that low doses primarily target delta receptors that are more analgesic, less euphoric, and less prone to tolerance buildup from excitotoxicity ( will look for source).
Any thoughts?
^^^8 months ago i started kratom, 5 grams and it did me well..i still only take 5 grams and it stil does me fine..i dont understand how some people keep chasing the high as when ive tried it, i just get nauseaous..the pain relieving effects are still very strong for me..
morphine-dreams
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I used kratom daily for a while and could never use more than 6 grams or I'd get extremely nauseous and dizzy. Must be the stimulant alkaloids as I can definitely handle stronger opiates. My guess is that the stimulant alkaloids create a ceiling which can be very low for some people, thus limiting opiate alkaloid consumption and preventing tolerance from growing. I used strong tinctures/extracts as well, which felt much more opiate like/less stimulant like, and massively raised my tolerance to kratom. I used dried leaf powder daily for 2 months with no physical dependence, but within a few days of using extracts, I experienced moderate wd. I also think that in lower doses, the stimulant alkaloids possibly produce more euphoria than the opiate alkaloids, as I can still experience a good bit of euphoria with kratom despite having an opiate tolerance from stronger opiates and it definitely produces a different type of high for me. Individual sensitivity to opiates and stimulants is surely a factor too.
Slow_Mobius
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Thanks. I guess it's just about moderation... Like anything else lol
Yeah, lack of appetite is a pretty common side effect. If by black outs you mean memory loss, I can personally attest to having somewhat fuzzy memories of being on it, but I can still remember them pretty well. Haven't experienced any full memory loss from it. Maybe someone else will have more experience with it.
Slow_Mobius
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What kind of experiences have kratom users had with telling their doctor about kratom use? My current doctor isn't aware, but I'm going to have to find a new one soon. I'm debating whether I should disclose my kratom use to my next doc.
Snake_Eyes
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I wouldn't. As soon as your doctor finds out that it has opioid effects you'll most likely be treated as a junkie.
Slow_Mobius
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I've been using it instead of tramadol which is also an opioid that was worse for pain relief and way more addictive IMO. Not sure if that makes any difference.
I have well documented chronic pain issues, so I don't think he would think I'm a junkie for substituting one opioid for another... unless there's that serious of a stigma.
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