Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[morphine-dreams]

If done properly, toss and wash is sooooo much better than pills. DO NOT toss the straight powder. That'll be one of the worst experiences of your life. Mix it with water or juice until it forms a thick paste that you can roll into balls or mix in with food or whatever. I personally like to add a bit of liquor (I actually use a few drops of straight vanilla extract because it smells nice and since it's concentrated I can obviously use a lot less) to get a nod, but I have a heroin tolerance.

 

[Mycophile]

If done properly, toss and wash is sooooo much better than pills. DO NOT toss the straight powder. That'll be one of the worst experiences of your life. Mix it with water or juice until it forms a thick paste that you can roll into balls or mix in with food or whatever. I personally like to add a bit of liquor (I actually use a few drops of straight vanilla extract because it smells nice and since it's concentrated I can obviously use a lot less) to get a nod, but I have a heroin tolerance.

Just felt like saying that not everyone feels that way.

I just way Kratom down with water and it's no big deal to me.

I don't like the taste but I don't hate it either.

For me it's just getting it down and all the water I need to swallow to do it that's annoying.

I have to drink like 32 ounces of water or something like that just to get down my usual dose of around 14-16 grams.

 

[lightblue543]

Just took around 5.5 grams of Bali powder: feel slightly sedated, a comfortable yet noticeable warmth throughout my body, the feeling of 'motion blur' when I turn my head (but no nausea yet), and some subtle euphoria. In a nutshell I feel chilled but it's nothing special.

I can remember the first time I took Kratom (Maeng Da); dosed at around 1AM, had awful nausea and disorientation whenever I got up, had this all the way until around 8AM when I was finally able to get some sleep. Not fun.

Right now I'm just slowly sipping on a beer as it's supposed to make potentate it a bit?

 

[Mycophile]

Just took around 5.5 grams of Bali powder: feel slightly sedated, a comfortable yet noticeable warmth throughout my body, the feeling of 'motion blur' when I turn my head (but no nausea yet), and some subtle euphoria. In a nutshell I feel chilled but it's nothing special.

I can remember the first time I took Kratom (Maeng Da); dosed at around 1AM, had awful nausea and disorientation whenever I got up, had this all the way until around 8AM when I was finally able to get some sleep. Not fun.

Right now I'm just slowly sipping on a beer as it's supposed to make potentate it a bit?

Yeah I think alcohol kind of slightly potentiates not.

Not sure if it does on a scientific level but as far as combining opioids with alcohol that kind of thing usually does yet I personally don't believe Kratom causes CNS depression so I think it's safe.

Most people don't like the combo cause they say it gives them nausea but me I love it.

I remember when I first combined Kratom, Whiskey, weed and caffeine.

I felt so fucking good I was dancing by myself to George Clinton haha.

But taking Kratom at 1AM is NEVER going to be a good idea unless you are one of the rare ones who can sleep on Kratom.

Me personally, my rule of thumb is I can't sleep unless the Kratom has WORN OFF like 6 hours ago and with it lasting about 4 hours and taking about 45 mins to kick in that means I never dose more than 11 hours before I want to fall asleep.

Kratom keeps me awake worse than even conventional stimulants.

Fuck, I've slept on Dexadrine but no way can I do it on Kratom.

 

[morphine-dreams]

Just felt like saying that not everyone feels that way.

I just way Kratom down with water and it's no big deal to me.

I don't like the taste but I don't hate it either.

For me it's just getting it down and all the water I need to swallow to do it that's annoying.

I have to drink like 32 ounces of water or something like that just to get down my usual dose of around 14-16 grams.

I meant tossing the dry powder in your mouth and then chasing. Maybe some people can do that, but it me dry retching for hours. I agree that it's ok to drink. I don't like it, but in desperation I'll do it.

 

[Mycophile]

I meant tossing the dry powder in your mouth and then chasing. Maybe some people can do that, but it me dry retching for hours. I agree that it's ok to drink. I don't like it, but in desperation I'll do it.

I know that's what you meant cause that is how I take it.

I have a special method though: I pack the Kratom in my lower lip like as if it were chewing tobacco and slowly sip water (preferably from a bottle rather than a glass as it enters your mouth more slowly) and wash it out of my lower lip.

Too much Kratom or too little water and you can choke on it.

I never put more than a teaspoon in my mouth at once.

 

[morphine-dreams]

Ah, ok. I definitely overdid in that case, and I didn't use it like chewing tobacco. I'm also just a picky eater so there's that too. I might give that another shot though because I hate capsules and drinking massive amounts of grainy water. I do like to chase with orange juice, seems to kill the flavor more than anything else.

 

[Mycophile]

The only problem is that since I take 14-18 grams at once I have to drink like 4 full glasses of water to get it all down and it produces a mildly unpleasant bloated feeling the lasts a little while and a lot of pissing.

That's why I usually take some Gas X when I use Kratom cause it helps with that, not to mention all the fiber that's in it.

 

[morphine-dreams]

I get that bloated feeling too, as well as nausea. Probably just from having too much in my stomach. That's why I like the extracts (the actual good ones, not the headshop ones) but they're expensive as hell and the WDs were god awful.

 

[Mycophile]

I get that bloated feeling too, as well as nausea. Probably just from having too much in my stomach. That's why I like the extracts (the actual good ones, not the headshop ones) but they're expensive as hell and the WDs were god awful.

Yeah, the extracts like UEI feel great and are basically just legal Oxy but when you start using them your tolerance to plain leaf Kratom goes through the roof and eventually you won't be able to get high off plain leaf at all anymore and I don't want that so I barely ever use them.

As it is it already takes 14 or more grams of plain leaf to get me high.

If I used extracts with any frequency my tolerance to plain leaf would get so high I'd never be able to use it anymore.

 

[jonteng]

Is there anyone else on here like me who enjoys Kratom but also has a skin condition like Eczema who notices that it acts up a lot more when they take Kratom?

...It's as if using Kratom made my eczema worse not only when I'm ON Kratom but also when I am NOT on Kratom.

I noticed a similar thing with my seborrheic dermatitis.
When I drink kratom, the next day (and the following days), I have a rash important of my dermatitis.

Is this related to the effects of kratom on the immune system (I read that it contains alkaloids similar to those found in Uncaria tomentosa) ?

 

[Retired Trashcan]

Can some of you that are long time kratom users answer me a question? What is the "ceiling dose" at which kratom starts to diminish in effect instead of getting stronger? I have seen conflicting reports. Some say there is an alkaloid that acts as an antagonist, some say there isn't.

 

[Mycophile]

I noticed a similar thing with my seborrheic dermatitis.
When I drink kratom, the next day (and the following days), I have a rash important of my dermatitis.

Is this related to the effects of kratom on the immune system (I read that it contains alkaloids similar to those found in Uncaria tomentosa) ?

It is almost definitely because it increases histamines which is what happens when you have allergies.

This is true of all Opioids/Opiates and why they cause itching.

 

[Mycophile]

Can some of you that are long time kratom users answer me a question? What is the "ceiling dose" at which kratom starts to diminish in effect instead of getting stronger? I have seen conflicting reports. Some say there is an alkaloid that acts as an antagonist, some say there isn't.

It's going to be different for everyone based on your tolerance.

Basically, if I take a significantly larger dose than it takes me to get high then at a certain point it won't really do much more.

I have a MASSIVE tolerance so my usual dosage to feel as good as I want to will usually be between 14 and 18.5 grams.

15 or less and it's usually more stimulating for me, more than 15 sedating effects start to increase.

Me personally, I'd say probably somewhere around 22 grams at once is the point where doing anymore will not do much if anything other than maybe make me a little more tired and a little more itchy due to the histamine release.

But most people don't have anywhere near the tolerance I have.

Just basically, if you know what dose gets you high and you take a lot more than that, eventually it will stop adding to the high.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

Ah, OK. See I thought I had read somewhere that there is an opioid ANTagonist in kratom that will eventually start knocking the opioid type alkaloids off your mu and delta receptors. (My tolerance is just a shade below yours, by maybe 2-3 grams)

 

[morphine-dreams]

Yeah, the extracts like UEI feel great and are basically just legal Oxy but when you start using them your tolerance to plain leaf Kratom goes through the roof and eventually you won't be able to get high off plain leaf at all anymore and I don't want that so I barely ever use them.

As it is it already takes 14 or more grams of plain leaf to get me high.

If I used extracts with any frequency my tolerance to plain leaf would get so high I'd never be able to use it anymore.

Yup, EXACTLY like legal oxy. I went on a 2 week binge on a really good tincture and it JACKED my tolerance. I mean I was basically opioid naïve less than a year ago and now I actually *prefer* fent laced h, and take it with strong benzos too. I'm not trying to advise or glorify that at all, just emphasizing where my tolerance has gotten to. I barely weigh 110lb too at the moment. I did smoke a ton of opium too so that didn't help. Surprisingly though, my WDs now aren't as intense as with the UEI or tincture. I should mention that I don't IV though, I snort so it's not like my tolerance is that high on the needle.

 

[jonteng]

It is almost definitely because it increases histamines which is what happens when you have allergies.

This is true of all Opioids/Opiates and why they cause itching.

Seborrheic dermatitis is not an allergy. And I do not have these symptoms when I take poppy tea.

 

[Retired Trashcan]

I seem to have found a decent combo here: red sumatran kratom and 15x blue lotus resin. Nothing that knocks me into next week, but the lotus seems to have taken the edge off the kratom stim, and left me with a nice mellow, yet energetic buzz. Very happy, mildly euphoric, and altogether nice. I shall work with this mix and keep y'all apprised

 

[Mycophile]

Seborrheic dermatitis is not an allergy. And I do not have these symptoms when I take poppy tea.

Just because it's not an allergy doesn't necessarily mean histamines can't effect it.

Do either of us know that for sure?

I don't think my eczema is an allergy but Kratom negatively effects it.

 

[Tryptomaniacs]

Damn at 40-60 grams daily are you getting any positive effects at that point?i can't imagine eating 60 grams a day. Lol

Yeah noo i mean i still got high and anxiety relief but the only reason i was taking that much is because my tolerance was high and i needed it to not feel sick i only use kratom about once a month now though but still need 10+ grams to get where i wanna be.