Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[whiteroom67]

I think that Kratom completely prolongs PAWS and withdrawal from actual opiate. For about 9 months I combined 12 grams of kratom 3 times a day, with 30mg of oxycodone 3 times a day. My source for oxy got cut off, and I was stuck with just kratom. To my surprise, I had very little WD other than severe insomnia. No depression, no shits, no yawning or sneezing. No restless legs! I did notice I had to take a bit more kratom than normal though.

HOWEVER. Before, when I was taking kratom by itself, I would go months straight, multiple times a day, and quit no problem. Now, every 5 hours if I don't dose, I start yawning, getting severe restless legs, chills, sweats, and my back starts hurting very bad. I wake up twice a night shivering and kicking and redose with the kratom. I believe that this is actually the oxy withdrawals, and kratom is holding them from starting, similar to suboxone with dope. I never had WD from kratom before I mixed with actual opiates.

I also no longer get high from kratom. Yesterday I used oxy for the first time since I quit a few months ago. I only did 30mg, and I actually caught a nod, due to low tolerance. However this morning I woke up in SEVERE withdrawal. Took 15mg of oxy, and my normal kratom dose, and caught a little buzz, no WD.

I think mixing actual opies with kratom is what can lead some people to have severe withdrawal from kratom. This is why some people claim its impossible to WD from kratom, but others say the WD is hell. It just depends if you combine it with actual opiates or UEI.

Shit you did oxy just once and woke up the next day in severe withdrawal? You've still been taking the Kratom without stopping ever since originally dropping the oxy though right?

Im just surprised at how I feel after months of not using oxy for the short term that I did, and then getting mild withdrawal from Kratom after being completely clean for almost 2 months. I admit I still didn't feel completely normal though. But Ive quit heavy opiate use before and never remember having to wait this long to feel normal.

 

[Stotched]

Shit you did oxy just once and woke up the next day in severe withdrawal? You've still been taking the Kratom without stopping ever since originally dropping the oxy though right?

Im just surprised at how I feel after months of not using oxy for the short term that I did, and then getting mild withdrawal from Kratom after being completely clean for almost 2 months. I admit I still didn't feel completely normal though. But Ive quit heavy opiate use before and never remember having to wait this long to feel normal.

Maybe not severe withdrawal, but I had a soaked bed, watery eyes, my back hurt so fucking bad, and my stomach felt like it was going to fly out my asshole at any minute. Usually when I get the shits, is when I feel like I'm in pretty bad stage of withdrawal.

This has happened before too. There's been times since I got off the oxy that I'd do 2 days, or one day, and I'd still have insomnia, restless legs, etc for a full week. It has to be the kratom too, because when I was only using opiates, it took at least 3-5 days use, (3 days only if I was using heavy around the clock) to put me in any sort of withdrawal. Now, I use heavy for one day, and definitely feel the lethargy, restless legs, and shits of withdrawal after about 18-24 hours after my last dose. I've been through the ringer hundreds of times, and it is not mental, definitely physical.

Even without oxy, I take kratom religiously, every 4 waking hours. At about the 3 hour mark I start to get sweaty, yawny, water eyes, and by 4 hours the restless legs kick in. I don't feel any sort of high or mood lift from kratom anymore. I am just convinced that kratom is stopping me from going through the oxy withdrawal from before.

 

[Jabberwocky]

boys-

I am on 40MG methadone at the clinic and THINKING of just STOPPING and detoxing myself over the next 5 days since I DO NOT HAVE TO WORK; I have Kratom at the house, how would/could I use Kratom to help w/ this 5 day detox? do you guys think its a good idea to do this? I do NOT HAVE A CAR and getting a ride to the clinic is a pain in the ass so having this chance to quit is something I see as a good opportunity; I took my 40MG this AM at 7AM and do not want to take anything again; what do you guys think? how long before I start to get withdrawals? how bad will the withdrawals from 40MG even be? I've withdrawn from 2G day dope habit so 40MG methadone I cant see being that bad. also, I have Kratom to help out, should I even use it? how much do you use? would I even "feel it"?

help me out here, boys.

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

I honestly think you would be better with a relatively quick methadone taper... than kratom....

I know my chances of success.... attempting what you are discussing... would be very little!

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am already on what I consider a low dosage - 40MG. I was on 95 3 months back and now down to 40MG and not feeling much different, which is why I would like to drop it from here. I have no car, no nothing, so getting a ride to the clinic daily is becoming a hassle and so would be getting a ride to score any dope; so its a hassle either way you look at it. I just want to break away from having/needing SOMETHING in order to get by, ya know!? I want to get away from the methadone, the dope, the EVERYTHING and truly get away from drugs for a bit. well see what happens once I am able to break it but I feel this is a good time since I have the next 5 days to myself and able to stay home, be sick, withdraw, etc.

 

[Bliss26]

Shouldn't you be getting weekly carries by now? Getting a ride once a week wouldn't be so bad.

 

[Jabberwocky]

nah, doesnt work like that when you are only on a short term program.

 

[bknystaf]

Good luck Boston. Sounds like you've stuck to your plan since the last thread we spoke on. You're almost where you know you should be. Keep up the good work.

 

[St3ve]

Does anyone here ever "micro" dose kratom? I've found that 1g doses up to twice daily are incredibly useful as a study aid and mild mood lift. Doesn't appear to cause any tolerance either, if anything I think I've noticed some reverse tolerance kicking in!

 

[Cuzie]

^ Yep sure do. Sometimes I'll just take a gram or even less just for the mood lift. I only notice tolerance going up if I do it for like 3 days straight or something.

Great stuff. Straight up, I stopped messing around with soft after I found kratom. It serves a similar function in my line-up of substances.

 

[lifterpuller]

I've been clean of opiates for about 70 hours, my DOC was oxy but I tapered with morphine, my last dose was 30mg of IR morph.

Yesterday was probably the worst (I went to work big mistake) and suffered all day, last night I was very restless but my appetite came back. I feel okay today but still sore everywhere and lethargic.

If I took 5g of kratom would it just reset my withdrawals and I have to go through the last 3 days again?

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Does anyone here ever "micro" dose kratom? I've found that 1g doses up to twice daily are incredibly useful as a study aid and mild mood lift. Doesn't appear to cause any tolerance either, if anything I think I've noticed some reverse tolerance kicking in!

I do the same. 1 gram doses about two or three times daily. It works great as a mild stimulant like this. Provides motivation and mood enhancement.

Ive also noticed that tolerance doesnt seem to build much... or atleast it doesnt build quickly. Withdrawals are almost nonexistent for me upon cessation.

 

[burn out]

I micro dose kratom as well, not because I want to but because I am running out and hve to conserve it. Unlike other real opiates where if you dose below your normal amount you dont feel much, I still get pleasant effects from 1 or 2 gram of kratom. It is truly a great substance.

 

[St3ve]

Cool! It's nice to see I'm not the only one that's figured this out :D. Does anyone get unwanted side-effects from these small doses? I occasionally get more irritable for some reason, it doesn't really bother me too much though as those moments tends to pass quite quickly as well.

 

[Cuzie]

^ I sometimes get slightly anxious on the come-up but there seems to be no other side effects unless I do too much. Coming down is generally smooth and it's easy to stop redosing after a certain point.

 

[Dystopia35]

I'm going through 50g of kratom in like 4 days. I take around 6-8 grams of milled leaf at once. It hits hard at first and the smooths out and us pleasant for around 6 hours. My tolerance gas not changed at all.
I need to buy in bulk though to save money but gave not found a reliable bulk vendor.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I micro dose kratom as well, not because I want to but because I am running out and hve to conserve it. Unlike other real opiates where if you dose below your normal amount you dont feel much, I still get pleasant effects from 1 or 2 gram of kratom. It is truly a great substance.

Does dosing like that still require a re-dose or two to last all day?
I'm off kratom now, used to take it daily 5g 2-3xday
If i ever go back to it might give this a try.
I hope i can steer clear from all opiate type drugs for good tho
(well, clear from all besides the substance I take as the best antidepressant i have ever tried: Tianeptine)

-HOOD

 

[《Plasticity》]

I think I've asked this before but I'll ask again, anybody get extremely anxious on the tail end of kratom? It was the reason I had to get off kratom but recently I decided to get back on kratom because this effect seemingly went away, well, now it came back... but since I've been using for about a week now and I'm now ultra sensitive to dependency I'm now full blown addicted so if I don't find a solution, which I don't think I will, I have to go through full blown withdrawals again . This ain't withdrawal anxiety either, I'm talkin all out anxiety worse than that of acute withdrawal that makes the oncoming withdrawal when the kratom leaves the system a relief. Sucks cuz it wasn't always like this, it's like my body developed some sort of allergy to kratom. I guess I'd just like to know if I'm alone, which sounds like the case.

 

[Bliss26]

Hi Captain,
Sorry to hear of your troubles w kratom.
I have never had any sort of anxiety ever with kratom- not at the tail end nor with withdrawal etc. I am prone to anxiety and panic but never has k causes it.

I take k about 10-15 days a month (for opiate WD) 2 tsp every 5-6 hours or as needed. I can easily go on and off no problem . K has never given me a high feeling but does help w WDs. If I take too much I get insomnia and wobbly eyes. Never threw up on it

 

[mictea]

I honestly think you would be better with a relatively quick methadone taper... than kratom....

I know my chances of success.... attempting what you are discussing... would be very little!

methadone is a horrible way to do it imo. ive done a taper with methadone and ive also used kratom. I think your best bet in my experience is to take a low to moderate benzo dose and clonidine for your bp if u can get your hands on it. most docs will prescribe it to you np....and also taking kratom will help with some uncomfy feelings.