Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[Snake_Eyes]

I'm aware that kratom has stimulant effects. I've been using it on and off for a couple years and pretty much daily for the last month. I mostly use kratom to relax after I get off work but I do like taking it in the morning 1-2 times a week. When I do this I take it with caffeine however with my tolerance caffeine doesn't give me any effects other than keeping the headache away lol. Every morning I take 400-500mg within 2 hours of waking up, I've also taking kratom on this dose a few times and while it worked somewhat it only lasted 2 hours at most.More caffeine just leaves me feeling like shit.

Multi dosing kratom is not an option as I see it as a waste. I was hoping a 60mg instant or 120mg extended of pseudoephedrine would initially synergize with the kratom then provide a lasting energy that would at least last through the work day.

 

[hangyourhead]

^^

Yeah, well just think, the longer you wait before dosing, the better you're gonna feel once you finally do. Ha. That relief is right around the corner, man. Hang tough.

Thanks for the support and the good vibes, Mr. Scag! I know we both know the pain of kicking m-done, especially when I wasn't ready to quit smoking cannabis for methadone (i tried for a few months, got depressing and dark fast), but it got me off IV dope (~gram daily or more/1.5g' + IV cocaine).

Got my 4 oz's of White Vein Maeng Da and the 5g's of UEI. It all smells potent and looks to be of top-shelf quality.

I've dosed roughly 0.7-1g of UEI and 10-12g's of WVMD. Feeling the euphoric energetic warmth, unique to kratom only, take hold I got a little kush left too, so I'm gonna wait to smoke when this kratom peaks for best results.

What does everyone feel about the subtle-psychedelia synergy between Cannabis and Kratom? Like Cpt. Kratom said when he would get really stoned and be on a nice dose of mitraygna he could see "honeycomb" patterns/visuals on the screen of his TV or laptop or whatever. Definitely sounds like tryptamine structural visuals, honeycomb patterns that is. Almost reminiscent, subtly, of classic tryptamine-psychedeic kaleidoscopes and fractals.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^ Oh cool, glad your shit arrived and your doin well... Yeah I find the synergy between cannabis and kratom pretty damn good, though I've never heard of anyone else experiencing the honeycomb pattern, that may be from my extensive history of psychedelic use. However, it doesn't happen on cannabis alone... just when combined with kratom, mild visual but enjoyable none-the-less.

Well guys, it looks like my body physically rejects kratom. I quit because my tolerance got to the point where it would make me very jittery and wanna crawl outta my skin when I dosed and this is usually solved by a 3 day break, well I've been clean for over 3 weeks and while my tolerance is at zero (4-5gs gets me super buzzed lol), the negative effects have, if anything, gotten 10x worse. I've tried different doses and nope, makes me feel like total SHIT every time. It starts out fantastic but as soon as the "rush" kicks in, within 20 mins my body feels like it's on fire (kind of an exageration but not really), extreme restlessness, and insane anxiety... looks like my body has had enough... Meh oh well, like usual though I don't feel like I really accomplished anything by kicking kratom but it looks like I'll be clean for a while, if not for good. Call me Capt. No Kratom 8)

 

[hangyourhead]

Yesir, definitely up in quality in contrast to my last order. I also have extensive psychedelic history, so I wouldn't be shocked if I had a similar experience. I am about to see what I can get outta' it, esp since it's WVMD potentiated by UEI.

Yeah man, I'd say just hit that tolerance break and the good ole' kratom euphoria will be back.. Have you being doing any other pharm opi's? dope? That's my problem. I have to dose 10-20g's, so I definitely have adrenergic issues with kratom, but I took a low dose of benzos- 5mg valium + 0.5mg clonazepam to counteract this problem, as well as gabapentin (300mg capsules, 1200mg gabapentin scripted daily). Hopefully I don't come across this being too big of a problem, what strain caused this problem for you?

 

[《Plasticity》]

Well my tolerance to ALL opies is at zero atm, my tolerance is as low as it's gonna get... I mean 4-5g doses are what I started out at years ago. Idk, it's like my body no longer tolerates kratom. A similar thing happens with cannabis, I'll smoke everyday for years then outta nowhere everytime I blaze I'll get super paranoid, seems like something similar has happened with kratom. I'll dose and within an hour and a half after ingestion my body feels like it's im the midst of some nasty withdrawal... but as soon as I come down I feel fine, it's pretty fucked up. Looks like I'ma have to use gabapentin and benzo combos for my occasional "fix", though I'm smart enough to not get myself hooked. I can still take pharmaceuticals but I'm afraid I'll be thrown back into withdrawal if I use more than once so for that reason I use pharms maybe once a week, in a single dose. Anyways, my problems don't swem to be a strain issue, I have at my disposal bali, WVB, and a small amount of SGM (this strain is definately the worst), all of em produce a similar effect. Only time will tell I guess.... another member, I think it was Blight12, had the same problem and he said it took a long ass break before things went back to normal.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Well my tolerance to ALL opies is at zero atm, my tolerance is as low as it's gonna get... I mean 4-5g doses are what I started out at years ago. Idk, it's like my body no longer tolerates kratom. A similar thing happens with cannabis, I'll smoke everyday for years then outta nowhere everytime I blaze I'll get super paranoid, seems like something similar has happened with kratom. I'll dose and within an hour and a half after ingestion my body feels like it's im the midst of some nasty withdrawal... but as soon as I come down I feel fine, it's pretty fucked up.

Looks like I'ma have to use gabapentin and benzo combos for my occasional "fix", though I'm smart enough to not get myself hooked. I can still take pharmaceuticals but I'm afraid I'll be thrown back into withdrawal if I use more than once so for that reason I use pharms maybe once a week, in a single dose. Anyways, my problems don't swem to be a strain issue, I have at my disposal bali, WVB, and a small amount of SGM (this strain is definately the worst), all of em produce a similar effect. Only time will tell I guess.... another member, I think it was Blight12, had the same problem and he said it took a long ass break before things went back to normal.

 

[burn out]

Kratom has caused me to kick Kratom. I love it, and have a room full of it. Been an opiate addict forever and now find myself going clean for no reason. I just don't take the time to prep my dose. And then I don't take it before work and don't feel like it after work.

This is kind of how I am. I love kratom but I hate downing it and as a result I put off dosing as much as possible. THis results in me naturally getting clean after a while on kratom. I recommend people to use kratom to kick opiates because it works so well and they reply "but then won't you just get hooked on kratom"? My response, not necessarily and even if you do, it is os much the lessor evil.

 

[Shpongleton]

It's interesting you mention your body giving up on kratom Captain. I have noticed if I have my normal dose of about 3.5g, I have a hard time eating anything in the couple hours after or else I get a strong dysphoric sensation, a tightening up of my whole body. It's as if my body is saying damn this kratom is wrecking havoc with my digestive system, I can't digest normal food at a time like this! Smaller, lighter meals are ok, but once I really fill myself, it's like my body just can't handle it anymore and starts sending signals to stop.

 

[tunesey]

Sorry to hear you are dropping the Kratom Captain. I have just started my journey with it and has some red vein Borneo this morning for a trapped nerve in my foot. I use your method of 6 fluid ouces of water and simmer 15 mins. This strain feels very nice and great for pain relief. I would just like to say thanks for all the great advice regarding this wonderful plant otherwise I would not know what the fuck I was doing. So to all those who have contributed knowledge and insight in helping me use kratom safely and effectively I thank you cheers gentlemen

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Anybody have good experiences with the full spectrum (FST) tinctures?

 

[《Plasticity》]

FST is okay when mixed with plain leaf, go for the UEI... MUCH better imo.

 

[Mycophile]

Well, I just downed some Kratom for the first time about 20 minutes ago, waiting for any effects.

I put 4 1/2 Tsps (I'm guessing about 4 1/2 grams?) of OG Bali Powder in 6 ounces of water in a tea pot and kept it just below boiling for close to 10 mins, at which point it didn't seem like enough water so I added 4 more ounces.

Kept stirring for 5 more mins and there was so much powder stuck to the sides of the kettle that I couldn't get off that I added an extra 1/2 a teaspoon and starting spraying the inside of the kettle with a water bottle to get the powder to drip back down into the pot.

I thought I'd need more time than 15 mins because I'd added more, so I ended up stirring and simmering below a slow boil for about 26 mins.

I let the water get up to boiling about 3 times but immediately lowered the temp.

I then twice strained through a strainer.

It only ended up being about 6 ounces of liquid and I just downed it, not as bad as I thought it would be.

Then I ended up swallowing about a tea spoon of the grounds I'd already used for the tea, but I don't know if any alkaloids were left in them.

I guess the only questions I have now are:

1) After you make tea with the grounds and have boiled them for 15 mins or more is there any effect to swallowing the grounds at that point or would they need to be fresh?

Anyone have any tips for getting the gunked up powder off the inside of the kettle?

I heard this takes about an hour to kick in but for some reason I'm wondering whether or not I will feel any effects at all.

I may not have used enough, we'll see.

 

[Mycophile]

Hmm, it's been an hour now and I don't really feel much other than slightly relaxed, which really might just be placebo.

I was told not to re-dose too soon because it takes an hour to kick in, but if I don't feel anything within 15 mins I think a little more might be warranted.

I really don't know how many grams 5 tspns of this powder is but I would have thought I'd felt something more by now.

Edit: Waited an hour and 10 mins and only felt a mild high so I tossed n' washed 2 1/2 more tspns. Regardless of effects or lack there of thats it for tonight, or for a few days for that matter, and we'll see how I feel and experiment cautiously with different ROAs, strains and dosages.

It wasn't so much the taste that it made it hard to get down as the incredible dryness of the powder...

Now I am noticing VERY mild percocet like effects, but more like about 10-15mgms whereas I guess I was expecting to feel more like 25-30.

I am relaxed though and I think it's probably the Kratom and not just placebo.

 

[Mycophile]

The Kratom finally hit me really hard an hour after taking the extra couple tea spoons.

I like it, definitely similar to oxycodone/hyrdrocodone but not quite as strong.

It was interesting because it went from being such a slight relaxed feeling that I didn't really even know I was on it to feeling pretty damn sedated.

Definitely anxiolytic for sure.

Will be interesting to see how the Green veins effect me.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

You took 7 1/2 teaspoons? That's around 20 grams, damn I take 5 grams at most. Next time add a hit or two of weed it really takes it to the next level.

 

[Mycophile]

You took 7 1/2 teaspoons? That's around 20 grams, damn I take 5 grams at most. Next time add a hit or two of weed it really takes it to the next level.

I don't smoke weed right now for personal reasons but when I do at some point I look forward to the synergy.

After drinking the tea I just had a VERY mild but nice relaxation so I took another 2 1/2.

I must have made the tea wrong cause I doubt my tolerance is that high.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

You might not feel much if any at the lower amount, some people just have a natural high tolerance, your prior opiate use also plays a factor. I agree 4-5 grams is a good starting dose. I've measured a few strains multiple times with leveled measuring spoons and all were consistent within .1

1 Teaspoon- 2.5 grams
.5 teaspoon- 1
.25 teaspoon -.5

 

[Mycophile]

You might not feel much if any at the lower amount, some people just have a natural high tolerance, your prior opiate use also plays a factor. I agree 4-5 grams is a good starting dose. I've measured a few strains multiple times with leveled measuring spoons and all were consistent within .1

1 Teaspoon- 2.5 grams
.5 teaspoon- 1
.25 teaspoon -.5

Hmmm, I guess I must have a naturally high tolerance or I made the tea wrong and it didn't have as much effect so that the 2.5 that I tossed and washed was the majority of it but I think I made the tea correctly.

I have almost no prior opiate use, except that about 6 weeks ago I finished a bottle of percocet which I was taking between about 35-45mgs of 3 times a week.

Other than a few times a year taking some percs or vics is the extent of my opiate usage in my life.

I think I just didn't make the tea correctly but I don't know what I did wrong.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I have no idea about the tea I've never made it before. Seems like most people believe eating the grounds provide a better experience. Generally those that make tea can't stomach eating all the plant matter and others have built up a high tolerance from either kratom or opiate use and don't want to drink 10+ grams of the super gritty k-mud.

 

[Hammilton]

Tea is fine if you eat the gross grounds with it too, but I found that I needed an ounce in tea to do what seven games would if I just TnW'd it. I think you need to get accustomed to its effects so you can recognize them better, though yeah, with that much you should have been wobbled pretty hard and had an unpleasant time if nothing else.

Was you stomach completely empty? Also, what about leaf quality- this wasn't headshop stuff or from somewhere that advertised it for its effects?