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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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I have ordered 25grams of the green Malay kratom and although I have never used it before I occasionally take codeine around 300mg for a good buzz but only a couple of times a month as to stop getting too tolerant too it as I love the Euphoria taking that amount gives me. My question to all those that have experience of using kratom what would be a good starting dose for me many thanks
 
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So Kratom really makes you piss like crazy?

Does it end when the mental effects wear off or does it continue for a while even after?

Does it also make you really thirsty and want to drink a lot of water?

Ehh I wouldn't worry about it, I've only ever heard of 2 other people besides Hammilton make this complaint. In my case it may just be because I chase a cup of tea down with extra water so I basically 2 cups of water off the bat and resume my regular water drinking regimine. I don't notice any excessive thirst unless I'm excercising, even then it's far less dehydrating than marijuana. I do know that kratom contains a diuretic but it totalls at <1% alkaloid content so I'm not sure how crucial that is...I guess if it was extra potent then it can have some but I'm too lazy to look it up, I'm ready for bed lol. It starts about an hour or two after dosing and lasts for about 3-4 hours though if you dose everyday it can feel like you have to pee all the time. For me, I only really notice it at night when I'm laying down getting ready to go to bed... It seems like any liquid I put in goes out 20mins later lol.
 
You won't find hard evidence for any of these things. For Christ's sake, it's barely been studied. There are zero comprehensive binding assays covering the big receptors for the well known compounds, much less for all of the alkaloids it contains.

Take it or don't take it, stop fretting about it on the forums. Yeah, I get it, you don't want to hurt yourself with it. Good news, it's about as safe as these things get. Bad news, you're gonna have to take that on faith because the sorts of studies you need to answer your questions just don't exist.


Stop posting a million questions and do some independent research. There's nothing we can tell you that you can't figure out on your own. Forums like these are good for passing along anecdote and what we've found worked well, what we liked, etc. They're not so good at providing anxiety ridden members with answers to questions like 'what neural pathways does kratom work on?'

If you're going to insist on knowing every little detail about the potential risks, stop posting here and sending three dozen pm's and expecting us to spoon-feed you every goddamn answer, get the journals and start reading what you can. You can find most of the articles free of you ask nicely and look hard. It shouldn't take you too long to exhaust everything of value. Many of them won't have anything useful to you beyond the available abstract.


I think, perhaps, the biggest risk with kratom is consuming the more coarsly ground leaf and having that gritty stuff cause you ulcers. I think it must because it's definitely the cause of my stomach pain recently. A few days with subs again and it's greatly diminished. Consuming a lot of tums in the meantime.

I blame a combination of the kratom and opioid withdrawal that kratom wouldn't cover for the diuretic action. My mouth was also over-salivating, not drooling bad, but annoying when try it to sleep. When I'm in withdrawal, I notice these things more, in addition to the relentless RLS.
 
The intense part?

I guess I should just call it the peak. Lasted like 45 min or so.

It wasn't intense like an acid trip or anything. Just relatively intense when compared to the smooth mellow feelings that followed afterwards.

fwiw, I don't like the peak of a lot of substances. I prefer the part that comes afterwards..
 
I have ordered 25grams of the green Malay kratom and although I have never used it before I occasionally take codeine around 300mg for a good buzz but only a couple of times a month as to stop getting too tolerant too it as I love the Euphoria taking that amount gives me. My question to all those that have experience of using kratom what would be a good starting dose for me many thanks

I would say 3-5 grams as a first dose. You will probably still get DAMN high because codine isn't as hard on the opiate tolerence as other opiates.
 
Weird question but the Company Captain Kratom sells a product called Captain Amserdam Premium Bali 15g Capsules.

I'm just wondering if that means that the capsules are individually 15grams or there is 15 grams total in the bag?

I am guessing 15 grams total because from what I've read 15grams seems like a pretty big dose...

If so, anyone know how many grams the capsules are with this brand?

Dude that brand SUCKS ASS. My local head shop sells it, it weak, old, and generaly shitty (in my exp.).

I would have to consume all 15 grams to get a equivalent effect to 5 grams from a online vender.
If your buying it online there are much better options.
And yep theres 15g total in bag.
 
^ That's the brand I got. 3-5g for a first timer with very little opiate experience did me pretty well. But it was kinda pricey at like $32 for the bag. Something 3x stronger for the price would be incredibly cost effective.
 
Put the 3g directly in your mouth, it's a bit gross, but then add the OJ, swirl it around a bit, then swallow. Repeat until your mouth is clean. Don't mix with oj then drink it. That's even worse, you get down to the grit on the bottom and can't swallow it.
 
Kratom has caused me to kick Kratom. I love it, and have a room full of it. Been an opiate addict forever and now find myself going clean for no reason. I just don't take the time to prep my dose. And then I don't take it before work and don't feel like it after work.
 
Don't mix with oj then drink it. That's even worse, you get down to the grit on the bottom and can't swallow it.

As long as your kratom is a fine grind and you shake the mixture hard enough, none of if should settle at the bottom. You just have to drink it directly after shaking. I never could stand toss n wash, it leaves me feeling bloated and usually chokes me up.
 
Any idea what Swim can use for motivation after 7 days clean from 40mg/day hydro/oxy and 1mg/day xanax for 8 years. Swim wants his motivation and care for life back. Ct'd. Swim cannot obtain kratom, because of legality issues in Tn.
 
Any idea what Swim can use for motivation after 7 days clean from 40mg/day hydro/oxy and 1mg/day xanax for 8 years. Swim wants his motivation and care for life back. Ct'd. Swim cannot obtain kratom, because of legality issues in Tn.

I think the best thing you can do is to try to be content with your sobriety. Give your PAWS a month or two to wear off and your motivation should return. If you feel you really need something I would suggest trying Phenibut. If you do try it make sure you don't take it more than 3 days in a row as it is just as addictive as the substances you listed. I also find adrafinil is great for motivation/energy without having the "edge" of classical stimulants. Kava Kava and kanna are also worth looking into.
 
Kava is probably the best suggestion. Phenibut is a gabageric and can be just as addictive as benzos if abused Be very careful if you place any addictive drug in place of an opioid.

I think the best thing you can do is to try to be content with your sobriety


This is the most useful part of the statement. Be content. Exercise. Love live Appreciate life. We are star stuff ;) :)

That 40mg is a low dose. Just keep in mind if you find an opioid to fill in it will get more painful. Opioids pay back twice in pain what they give in pleasure. Many have found this out the hard way.
 
Any idea what Swim can use for motivation after 7 days clean from 40mg/day hydro/oxy and 1mg/day xanax for 8 years. Swim wants his motivation and care for life back. Ct'd. Swim cannot obtain kratom, because of legality issues in Tn.

We do not use SWIM here. Just use "I". Read the BLUA for more and OD Guidelines.

As far as getting motivation back, it takes time. You have to kind of force yourself in the beginning otherwise you'll just start feeling worse and worse.. get out and exercise, find a good hobby, throw yourself into work, whatever. Just occupy your time with positive and productive things.
 
Being Opiate tolerant and able to take 70-100mg of hydrocodone to get my buzz, i wasn't sure if Kratom would do it for me. I was skeptic for sure. Lemme tell you, this stuff is LEGIT. Of course, i made the mistake of buying from a smoke shop before i came to my senses and did some serious research.

When i took the " head shop " garbage, i needed 20 grams ( i know, alot.....it was caca product ) to get the buzz and i must've got lucky as I DID feel euphoria and a general sense if well-being. I then decided on a reputable online vendor and purchased a variety pack. BOY was it worth it.

I received my package the day after ordering, and decided on 7 grams mixed with applesauce. I used the " Malay " strain. About 30 mins into it and i started feeling like I ingested 60 mg of Hydrocodone. I kid you NOT ! i dont get the itches like hydro, nor moody like hydro.

Its a GREAT substitute and I'll be using in moderation. I plan on mixing some different strains together for a 10 gram dose in my morning applesauce. The 7 grams dose i did was about 5:30, felt it at 6 and i'm still feeling GREAT. And I HAVE an opiate tolerance. I usually like 100 mg of hydro/norco, but i'm really enjoying Kratom. I dont experience ANY side effects that people speak of. It really is legit, but RESPECT it and dont give this wonderful plant a bad name.

FUCK headshops, FUCK smoke shops, FUCK legal high websites.......do your research and you'll be rewarded with a wonderful plant. Its also done WONDERS on my Arthritic knee due to tearing my Meniscus and A.C.L. skateboarding. Its a MIRACLE plant......DON'T CALL IT A DRUG. It's a healing plant.
 
I think, perhaps, the biggest risk with kratom is consuming the more coarsly ground leaf and having that gritty stuff cause you ulcers. I

Parachuting a bunch of kratom when my tolerance waned the most, after getting high for a few days I had the most incredible stomach pains, vomiting and nausea on the third or fourth go around. My was I miserable, I went to a little paid clinic dealy, didn't get shit that helped - but I was in helllll.
 
Hey, if you liked 7 grams that much, don't take ten. Taking more won't give you a stronger opioid high, but it will give you greatly increased side effects. Eye wobbles, a sort of delayed, lagging, shaky vision and a weird, unpleasant sedation will take over and your sought after opioid effects will be overtaken by undesirable clonidine- or extremely high dose gabapentin-like effects.

You might try 7.5, but odds are you found your sweet spot with 7g if you liked it that much.

I know that if I were to take 3g more than my normal dose I'd have a very unpleasant time. 7g is already a pretty high dose. Amanitadine, who has consumed more kratom than anyone I've seen on here said that he was taking 7g doses, as well. He just did that every other hour...
 
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