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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Precisely. Kratom has been an excellent aid for doing shit like: filing my taxes, vacuuming my car, organizing my closet, fixing my garage door opener, etc ... lol.. so it makes sense that these tasks are like 5x worse when coming off of Kratom. I suppose it's similar to how benzos cause 5x worse anxiety when coming off them. It is weird though because I can go snowmobiling for 5 days while 'in the thick of it' and not feel a thing withdrawal-wise but as soon as I come home today and get faced with the task of cleaning out my car those withdrawals are on like donkey kong.

How's that song go? I don't care I LOVE IT...haha seriously though I love the motivational aspect (comes back in full force after a short break) that is so unlike amphetamines that would cause me to become motivated to do shit like: organize my highlighters to correspond to the color wheel, arrange pantry supplies using the dewey-decimal system, alphabetize the contents of my refridgerator, etc.. haha..
 
Kratom actually makes my job fun (I paint hydraulic cylinders for oil rigs) without affecting my cognition so it's great, like most opioids or pseudo-opioids it's a very lucid high whereas stims kinda make me manic. Another thing about stims is that I'm really susceptable to the crash so when I'm coming down I'm fucking useless, I can't even stand up to fast or I feel like I'm gonna faint and have my heart explode. With kratom, when I come down I'm just back to normal so that's definately a plus. I <3 kratom!
 
I started another thread but I might as well ask here too: what kratom product would be most likely to produce opiate dreams, you know, the disjointed thoughts and images when you lay down and close your eyes while on an opiate. Bupe would give this to me after years of being on it, but this Bali? Nope. If I take it when I'm in withdrawal I notice it seems to kick in and surprisingly reminds me of snorted oxy. The strong opiate effect wears off quickly though, faster than oxy by far, leaving me slightly itchy and sedated, but not really feeling at all like an opioid. Not bad, but not great.

Would I be able to have those opiate dreams with a full spectrum tincture or uei? I love the really fast, hard hitting pure opioid euphoria taking 9g on an empty stomach while in withdrawal produces, perhaps sublingual FST or UEI would do the same?

Ham
 
No idea about the above question, I haven't ever tried to mimic opiate feelings, just used it to cover withdrawal and enjoyed it for the unique, complex, and arguably better high Kratom provides.

So, I decided to do a bit of an experiment yesterday (one might also say relapse, and that would be like 25% accurate, because it was pre-planned). I drank two glasses of Kratom throughout the day (One 2.5, one 3.0 both Bali from a mediocre vendor). Felt amazing all day (of course), though because I waited to take my second dose until the first had mostly gone away, I felt a bit irritable for an hour or so (I assumed this was me falling back into w/d). When I decided to rack out I realized Kratom doesn't lend itself to sleep as easily as Bupe, so I took some melatonin and valerian root. Fell asleep, stayed asleep for 12 hours, which hasn't happened since I stopped Bupe. Woke up feeling amazing, refreshed, no sign of withdrawal at all, no craving for opiates. I didn't expect an improvement a day after getting high.
 
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I started another thread but I might as well ask here too: what kratom product would be most likely to produce opiate dreams, you know, the disjointed thoughts and images when you lay down and close your eyes while on an opiate. Bupe would give this to me after years of being on it, but this Bali? Nope. If I take it when I'm in withdrawal I notice it seems to kick in and surprisingly reminds me of snorted oxy. The strong opiate effect wears off quickly though, faster than oxy by far, leaving me slightly itchy and sedated, but not really feeling at all like an opioid. Not bad, but not great.

Would I be able to have those opiate dreams with a full spectrum tincture or uei? I love the really fast, hard hitting pure opioid euphoria taking 9g on an empty stomach while in withdrawal produces, perhaps sublingual FST or UEI would do the same?

Ham
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Sounds like you're in pursuit of a nod. IME a nod cannot be achieved from plain leaf at any dose below what I refer to as "THE VOMIT CEILING". Even when I combined my Kratom with diphenhydramine & a benzodiazepine like Xanax I was still very lucid albeit extremely euphoric. The lack of nod isn't surprising once you take a look at the alkaloid content and their various effects on the CNS/PNS. This would lead me to recommend an extract of 7-OHM (if one does exist) first and Mitragynine second.

Personally I can't give you a recommendation on anything beyond plain leaf because I know what happens when I get access to powerful opioids.
 
Everyone saying that this drug has little addiction potential is just trying to fool yourself

Your basically taking a few Vicodin in plant form

If you have. Addictive personality that can be very easy to say oh it's a plant I'm cool

If your taking it to get through the day well ya

Now with that said time to take some kratom cuz I'm depressed and want to feel something


I got these 2 mang da extract caps

It's like 30mg oxy to me
 
I experience such varying effects in the past from Kratom. I remember having mang da capsules and taking about 10 grams and having such an intense feeling of euphoria and basically it felt like I just did an 1/8 ball of coke. The next week, I did the same amount of the same exact type from the same exact bag of Kratom, and felt nothing.

Does anyone know why this happens?
 
^ it's not standardized because it's a plant. alkaloid content varies even in between the same strain.
 
Hammilton, I've gotten those "waking dreams" from UEI before... just be carefull with that shit, it WILL fuck your tolerance and withdrawals up. You think plain leaf is weak now? Take UEI for a week :p.

DWE, I would give plain leaf a shot before you set yourself up for an empty wallet and a nasty dependance. If your tolerance is low you should be able to get near the same effects as an extract with less impact on tolerance and dependancy. You might as well not even be taking a plant with extracts really, it's not even in the same ballpark as plain leaf, especially UEI...
 
My favorite way to get super opiated from it is to make all my kratom into a strong tea that a keep cold and add small amounts to lemonade or vodka, much less limiting than having to eat all plant matter and just as good as extracts I've bought.
 
I don't think plain leaf is weak, and actually I've been reducing my dose because I'm finding that I like the slightly lower doses more. I think I've developed a bit of a tolerance to the more stone-inducing effects and now with 7 and 8gr doses I notice a strong opioid feeling as it kicks in, which fades to a feeling similar to gabapentin- not euphoric, not dysphoric, just mildly pleasant. That strong opioid feeling when it kicks in makes ya wanna chase it- maybe a little bit more and it won't fade away be the hour and a half mark. It doesn't work like that though, does it. Redosing won't bring it back and just taking more at the start won't work either. You just start getting wobbles if you go higher, and while they're not exactly unpleasant, they're not fun either.

I'm not talking about a nod exactly. When I think of a proper nod, I'm thinking of a basically non-optional nod, brought on by a dose of whatever that makes getting up and moving around basically impossible. I've always had these dreams from any opiate at almost any dose just by lying down and meditating a bit. I've not managed them with kratom except my first dose, made from an ounce of dried, whole leaves obtained from a Wisconsin based vendor back in 2004. That was before quality extracts and before everyone started selling powdered leaves of thirty varieties and multiple vein colors. There was just mitragyna speciosa korth. More importantly it was back when three vicodin would get me high, before dope and just about the time I found pods. Now a roxi 30 is a mild buzz, and my tolerance is nothing like it was two years ago. I honestly think I could live without opiates if there was something else that would have the same effect on my dreaming, because I can go all day with nothing and be alright, but if I don't have it in me at bed, I won't sleep at all, sleep just isn't the same without it.

I was thinking of getting FST and using it sublingually, maybe that would work better, in conjunction with plain leaf of course.

Has anyone tried evaporating FST and snorting or smoking it? I'm not looking to do this myself, just wondering if it works. I would think a straight extract like 250x would be useful like that.
 
In case anyone is like me and hates the taste of toss-n-wash, doesn't have time for tea and don't want to pay extra for capsules this is my 45-second 10-step solution:


1) Take one piece of bathroom toilet paper
2) Separate it into a single ply (if necessary)
3) Place on a flat surface
4) Pour desired amount of Kratom onto the toilet paper
5) Fold toilet paper into parachute by grasping all 4 corners and twisting but do not make it so tight that it breaks
6) Break off any excess toilet paper
7) Lightly wet the toilet paper in the sink to help maintain form
8) Take a swig of something and hold it in your mouth
9) Pop your Kratom toilet paper bomb in your mouth
10) Take another swig and swallow hard and confidently

Wa-la instant toss-n-wash effects without the nasty taste. If you do it right absolutely no powder will come into contact with your mouth/throat/lungs.
 
I think a lot of the differing opinions on this plant stem from the wildly differing amounts users are consuming in a days/weeks time. 5g total divided into 2 separate doses and i would be just fine for the entire day. 10g for an entire day would be a lazy Sunday where i never left the house once.(never happens) I feel this is a lot like dxm where heavy doses are nothing like low doses and therefore the effects/wd vary wildly as well. Some use 50g a day and others 5. At that point its almost an entirely different substance.
 
@Ham, yeah I know what your talking about... say you take a dose of X opiate before bed, when your lying down to go to sleep you kinda enter this half way sleeping, half way dreaming state where you can kinda watch scenarios and such under your eyelids as if you were dreaming if your awake, is that what your reffering to? I don't get this much with kratom but I have on UEI and opioids, shit even tramadol has given me this effect when I used to take that crap. I've only used FST about a handfull of times and didn't really lke it by itself, it was decent with plain leaf though but still not worth the money IMO. While I haven't snorted or smoked it I have tried plugging it and it didn't work whatsoever lol. I would imagine a strong resin extract would work better for smoking but I don't really hear success with this ROA. If you do find success let us know I guess...
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I think a lot of the differing opinions on this plant stem from the wildly differing amounts users are consuming in a days/weeks time. 5g total divided into 2 separate doses and i would be just fine for the entire day. 10g for an entire day would be a lazy Sunday where i never left the house once.(never happens) I feel this is a lot like dxm where heavy doses are nothing like low doses and therefore the effects/wd vary wildly as well. Some use 50g a day and others 5. At that point its almost an entirely different substance.
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Really? It feels like the same drug to me, just the quality of the effects lose their luster and increasing dose to chase after what was once there leads to anxiety and such.
 
Hey Cap,
I have a pretty serious Oxy addiction, approx 60-80 mg a day. I've kicked it before w suboxone and that shit was just addictive if not more so. Got hooked for almost a year and I'll never touch it again. In 48 hrs I'll be out but I bought 3 different kinds of kratom: UEI, Maeng Da, and red vein. I have no idea what I'm doing. Recommended dosages are all over the map. I'm just trying to get through the kick wo missing work, etc. usually bed ridden for a week and I can't go through it again. Help! This is my first post on any forum. I'm desperate and scared. Thanks
Anybody's opinion on how to kick opiates is greatly appreciated, but no suboxone or methadone please.
 
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First off congrats on wanting to quit, it's the first step which is usually the hardest step. Lemme start off by saying I'm no addiction specialist nor have I ever had to kick any serious opiates with kratom or bupe, the "recovery support" forums are more suited for this type of discussion.

With that said your gonna want to use as little (none would be best) of the UEI as possible, I found that even maintenance doses of UEI raised my tolerance to an extent so It would be best to leave that stuff alone unless the kratom just isn't holding you which it may not, kratom is not anywhere near as potent as the doses of oxy you mentioned but you should at least get relief from your withdrawals. There's two primary ways of ingesting kratom, you can either eat the straight powder or make the tea. I find that the tea brings cleaner effects and allows you to manage higher doses with less nausea but it also decreases the duration compared to just eating the powder so if you can stomach the kratom it may be best to eat it straight, this is a decision your gonna have to make. If you wanna make the tea just bring water to just under a boil (not a full boil), add the kratom, stir and simmer for 15mins, and strain with an old T-shirt or something.

A decent starting dose would be 6 or 7 grams, even though you have tolerance to opioids you don't have tolerance to the other twenty something various alkaloids that cause problems with high doses like nausea, eye wobbles, vertigo etc. I'm sure someone else can be of more help but this should give you a place to start. I would just try and get by on as little as possible as far as number of doses, take a dose and ride it out until you just can't handle the withdrawals before taking your next dose. Kratom has a very short half-life so your gonna have to dose quite frequently, good luck on your recovery <3
 
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No.... no I am not, lol! I don't even use that brand. Haha I bought that tincture from my headshop when in withdrawal and had to down the whole bottle for a mediocre dose, the employee was like "yeah bro this has a shitload of doses, I took a dropper full a lil while ago and feelin it"... LIES!
 
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