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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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yea I remember u gave me that advice a lil while back man but I guess It just doesn't work for me. I tried doing all that last week & it just didn't work out. But it just further illiterates the notion that everybody reacts differently to kratom. Guess I'm only meant to enjoy it once before work while my stomachs still empty. But it makes work so much more bearable.
-FZ
 
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yea I remember u gave me that advice a lil while back man but I guess It just doesn't work for me. I tried doing all that last week & it just didn't work out. But it just further illiterates the notion that everybody reacts differently to kratom. Guess I'm only meant to enjoy it once before work while my stomachs still empty. But it makes work so much more bearable.
-FZ

I thought I did, I just wanted to go into more detail this time.. sorry to hear that though man.
 
I believe most people do not realize that kratom is a lot like weed in that there is a night and day difference between some batches. Think of it as the most heady, crystallized bud vs. some brown seeded shwag.. ya they both will get you high but there's a world of difference between the two. The kratom I get, even the most tolerant of individuals would not be able to handle more then 3-4 grams, its not enhanced or anything, just quality. I've had a pretty heavy heroin habit for the last year and 3 grams of the stuff I have right now still rocks my socks, so it all comes down to your vendor, people!~ I was getting some kratom from a local headshop that would get the job done but it just didn't feel as euphoric and clean as the stuff I get now and I would have to take like 5 grams... Just something to keep in mind as I see people listing insanely high dosages that would have even the most tolerant of individuals puking their guts if they dosed like that with the stuff I get.. It's not hard to find the good stuff if you put a little effort in people, there's a kratom forum *WINK WINK*
 
I'm having a really good vendor for quality kratom, but even the best isn't worth much if your tolerance is high enough - unless you take high(er) doses. I don't think it's just a thing of how good your kratom is. I know what you mean, but it doesn't just depend on quality. It makes a difference, but that is just one factor.
 
I just switched to Z & he's got some great stuff. But i still need about 8g to feel the way I want to. Which is nice & opiated ;)

Somethin cool i just learned tonight, if u plan on burning alot or if u just wana b on the safe side u should definatly pick up a bottle of dramamine. U can even get it @ 7-11. Take it right before yr burn & there wont b any wobbly eyes or nausea no matter how much u burn. Just thought i would share that helpful little tip.
 
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Kratom is an awesome Drug. I love it, started using it about a week ago. I suffer from the occasional Anxiety bouts and Insomnia. When I take Bali Kratom in smaller doses it causes a stimulant effect not like caffeine but a stimulant effect that I can't describe my urge to study( work urge increases) as I am a student increases and it doesn't leave my body feeling jittery though my mind is so stimulated whilst at the same time calmed from all troubles and anxieties , but with no side effects I feel sharp this is at smaller doses. At larger doses I experience Euphoria and a body high and a good feeling of analgesic or pain relief and sedation and then I can sleep real good on Bali Kratom usually I sleep 4-7 hours a night when I have insomnia I sleep about 3-5 hours a night but with kratom I sleep up to 9-10 hours I feel a little sedated after sleeping on kratom it takes about an hour or two for the sensation to leave me after I wake up, but the sleep is restful it alleviates Insomnia. I also take Kanna it relieves stress and anxiety as well it synergies well with Kratom sometimes causing a moderate-high level of Euphoria.

What else about Kratom? It gives me a sensation or a different perception of looking at the world everything is calm , It is good for anxiety. Nothing bothers me. I also love Kratom because its not like other substances where when your out in Society you look stoned, high or intoxicated on Kratom you can be out there and be Productive, and it calms your nerves nicely.
More research needs to be done on Kratom including its effect on Sleep. To me it seemed to increase deep sleep and helped me fall asleep so easily. I could also stop using kratom after a 5 day binge and not feel any urges, or any significant withdrawal. I just love the feeling on Kratom it is subtle at smaller doses but at larger doses a high.
 
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What else about Kratom? It gives me a sensation or a different perception of looking at the world everything is calm , It is good for anxiety. Nothing bothers me. I also love Kratom because its not like other substances where when your out in Society you look stoned, high or intoxicated on Kratom you can be out there and be Productive, and it calms your nerves nicely.
More research needs to be done on Kratom including its effect on Sleep. To me it seemed to increase deep sleep and helped me fall asleep so easily. I could also stop using kratom after a 5 day binge and not feel any urges, or any significant withdrawal. I just love the feeling on Kratom it is subtle at smaller doses but at larger doses a high.

That's about where I was when I started using. I thought it was often. Give it enough time, take enough often enough, and if you're ANYthing like me, it will eventually turn on you and you won't see it coming. Bank account suffering, choking the shit down, trying to figure out how to take it with you places, worrying about running out, going through WDs, stuck in a goddamn cycle and the kratom stops making you feel good and starts just making you feel normal.

I hope you don't follow me on the road I went on. It was a bitch and it whooped my ass. Whooped me, I say.

pnm
 
Anyone know for sure if kratom effects your opiate tolerance? I've been taking kratom for a long time, 15-20 grams a day. I did a half a point of H recently and i got really really high. So, IMO, if it does, not much, but i'd like to hear others experience.
 
I hope you don't follow me on the road I went on. It was a bitch and it whooped my ass. Whooped me, I say.

I hope I don't follow that road. But how can I use Kratom so I don't get addicted dont experience withdrawal and only experience the positive side of the KRatom?
Cause it helps me with Sleep and ANxiety and it helps me with work as well in low doses.
How many times a week can I hit it?

I take Bali Kratom. Its effect to me is calming if taken in the afternoon hours calming but stimulating lets me get work done like studying. Otherwise bored tasks become a bit more interesting and my motivation increases to complete the task at hand . I feel calmed and conversations flow smoothly although it doesnt cause me to feel very talkative.
I noticed it decreased Anxiety, I also noted that Bali Kratom helps with sleep like nothing else. Its very effective it knocks me out better than Try cyclic Antidepressant Trazodone and my sleep is long restful and my dreams are unique( vivid) although it leaves me a little hungover the next day for an hour or two. I am somewhat of an insomniac hence the reason I like Bali Kratom. I like the sedation. It mixes well with Alcohol I drink less like last night went to a party had a shot of absinth, .5 L of beer and 5-7 Grams of Kratom. Intense relaxation, although a bit too sedating, Happiness not Euphoria though, A strong body high, legs felt like Jelo and I really enjoyed myself last night socializing was so easy approaching girls was easy there was no thoughts in my head if I should approach her or not. I also love that Kratom relaxes muscles sometimes my muscles are a bit tense and it messes with my posture but with Kratom I stand taller &feel loser thought I wanted to note that.
I just need advice regarding its usage, How many times a week I could take it, What dosages I should use, How I could use it for Insomnia.
I also wanted to ask How Kratom effected Sleep quality?
Marijuana( Indica) helps people fall asleep but I heard It disturbs Deep sleep or REM sleep and you can feel high the next day morning hours .

Oh yea one thing my Bali Kratom it is reminiscent of an Indica high completely the body feeling, couch lock feeling everything except the insanity that Cannabis Indica Brings on. I feel like on Cannabis Indica I just laugh my ass off and I make no sense. Whilst this intoxicated there is no urge for insane laughter but the feeling is very intense. Cannabis brings on Mental Dissociation Bali Kratom does not. I know my stuff is good, I felt the Kratom high on bali feel a lot better than Codeine.

I feel like this after two tablespoons of Powder. I also had Kanna earlier today its amplyfying the effect.
 
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Hey man try not to triple post, just use the edit function. As far as keeping physical dependence at bay, I recommend using no more than 3 times a week MAX. any more than that and the withdrawals can creep in. Just remember not to start taking it on "off days" or it will become everyday.
 
Hey man try not to triple post, just use the edit function. As far as keeping physical dependence at bay, I recommend using no more than 3 times a week MAX. any more than that and the withdrawals can creep in. Just remember not to start taking it on "off days" or it will become everyday.

What he said. I would add that with all the great stuff you say that kratom is doing for you, IMHO, you are already justifying its use. I mean, you don't need to justify it right now, but if someone said, "hey, why are you taking all that powdered leaf stuff, dude?" You'd say what you just posted in your posts above. In the beginning of use all drugs work great. Alcohol, H, pills, coke, etc. Then the obsession of the mind kicks in, and you justify a little more and a little more. Then, the self delusion is taking root and you don't even know it's happening. Boom! You realize you're using every day. But, you tell yourself you'll just keep that up for a little while, you know, like long enough to finish a paper or exams or whatever. Once that's over, you find a day without to be pretty miserable in comparison. You go further into self delusion. You now believe the lie that this stuff is good for you. Pretty soon it doesn't really work any more. You miss the good buzzes and feeling the things you're feeling now, and you find you must take kratom just to feel normal. You may then decide you need something stronger, like kratom extracts (money killer, tolerance builder). Or even stronger, like pods, pills, or H. At least, that's the experience of this addict.

If you wanna use, use. If you're worried about getting addicted, it means you want to know how often you can possibly take it without getting screwed. And to me that sounds like there's a part of you that's already not too happy about not being able to feel that way all the time. Totally normal. If kratom would just work the same for me everyday forever, I'd take it forever. But it eventually turned on me.

Thing is, I can't tell you how not to let that happen. You can try 3 times a week max, and if you can stick to that, great. I couldn't. It was waaayyy to easy to just grab some on what shoulda been an off day. Ya know, didn't get enough sleep, want that boost. Ah, what the hell. Well, a few 1000 what-the-hells later and that shit had me cold. I couldn't imagine a day without it. That is, until I went through WDs and found out what my body thought of what I'd been doing. It wasn't happy. And for almost a week I listened when it sang, and it sang at will. My emotions visited me when they wanted to, and I was half nuts for a few days. First 3 were the worst. Now I'm 3 weeks and 2 days clean, and so fucking glad to be free.

I wish I could tell you how not to go down my road, and this was just one of my shitty roads, and not as bad even as my alcohol road or poppy pods road, etc. If you're on your way to addiction, then the only thing that will work is not taking it at all. In my experience, the way to tell if you're headed to addiction is if your thinking and obsessing (thinking often) about using when you're not using.

Only you can know.... bullshit. We seem to never know when we're getting into trouble. I never did. Sorry for rambling.

Peace,
pods no mo!
 
Anyone know for sure if kratom effects your opiate tolerance? I've been taking kratom for a long time, 15-20 grams a day. I did a half a point of H recently and i got really really high. So, IMO, if it does, not much, but i'd like to hear others experience.

Heroin is to kratom as meth is to caffeine. You can get a zing off kratom or caffeine, and can get addicted to both. (Kratom is a tougher animal than caffeine). But H and meth are big-time monster fucking gorillas. With H, the monkey on your back ways 4 tons. So, it's like wondering how your 3-pot-a-day coffee habit could affect your cocaine experience or something. If you have rarely or never done coke, you're gonna get super high. Same for H. And that first one, that's usually the best one. It's downhill from there. Many addicts spend their lives chasing that first buzz, and many of us have chased it to the gates of insanity and death, and worse.

Leave the H alone, please. Your playing with explosives while smoking a cigar with that shit. It's like, well, it's not killing me RIGHT NOW, so I'm OK. Nobody's dying....yet.

Sorry for ominous warnings. If it offends anyone, don't read my posts. I've seen too many live ruined to keep my mouth shut is all.
 
ok last week i went on a 5 day binge of Kratom didnt use any over the weekend and this week I am on a 4 day binge. I am not using huge amounts I am taking it in the range of 4-8 grams and I used MAENG DA a stronger form. last week after my 5 day Binge I felt no withdrawal. This week I dont think i will feel withdrawal after this 4 day binge. What kind of Withdrawal did you have anyways?
Yea Kratom is addictive. I know.
But im not doing more than 10 grams a day.

I understand the stuff about Heroine, MEthamphetamine, and the hard drugs. But seriously , I find Kratom to have medical value for me that is reduction in Anxiety, I am still functional and a good student on it.
I know I have to watch out.
So give me advice on how to use KRatom. I usually suffer from Insomnia KRatom takes that away.

I used the stronger MAENG DA FORm tonight like 2-3 grams.
 
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aguythatlikessmoke, please make use of the EDIT function (the button on the right side of your posts, to the left of the REPLY and QUOTE buttons) instead of double or triple posting.
 
ok last week i went on a 5 day binge of Kratom didnt use any over the weekend and this week I am on a 4 day binge. I am not using huge amounts I am taking it in the range of 4-8 grams and I used MAENG DA a stronger form. last week after my 5 day Binge I felt no withdrawal. This week I dont think i will feel withdrawal after this 4 day binge. What kind of Withdrawal did you have anyways?

Are you new to opiate-type drugs? Dependancy is not an instant mechanism, it takes longer than a few consecutive days of use to build a legit problem. This is what fucked me all up, actually, thinking I could get away with continuing using daily with no consequences. Just know that you are on a slippery slope if you keep doing what you're doing now with that mindset.

I understand the stuff about Heroine, MEthamphetamine, and the hard drugs. But seriously , I find Kratom to have medical value for me that is reduction in Anxiety, I am still functional and a good student on it.
I know I have to watch out.

Yeah you do. The fact that you're finding some value in it is definitely going to be an issue if you're trying to avoid a dependency. Anxiety is a bitch man, and opiates quell that beast, and that's part of the reason why they're addictive.

Kratom is special, though. Not like "real" opiates. It's unique but has a dark side as well, and will only hurt you if you let it.

so yeah, be careful man.

By the way, I've never noticed an appreciable difference between Maeng Da and the other strains that justify the extremely inflated cost - sometimes nearly double.

Do your homework and don't get taken in by flashy blends and so on, either.
 
Luckily though I am not using any real Opiods. I am just using Kratom. I have tried Codeine and Tramadol each once . Tramadol seems to be quite Euphoric. Codeine and Kratom seem to have alot of similiarties. Yea Kratom and Opiods take away Anxiety.
Thanks for the advice. I only took Bali Kratom and Maeng Da. Maeng da seems to have lifted my mood a bit more I would approach girls in the store without thinking about it twice and start conversations and keep on babling. Its slightly stimulating, but Maeng Da is not sedating Like Bali Kratom. Bali Kratom is so damn sedating, its just good to chill at home and knock me out. Anxiety is a bitch I agree one of the reasons I decided to try Kratom and Kratom helps with it and so does another Substance its called Kanna its safer than Kratom it acts as an SSRI.





Yeah you do. The fact that you're finding some value in it is definitely going to be an issue if you're trying to avoid a dependency. Anxiety is a bitch man, and opiates quell that beast, and that's part of the reason why they're addictive.

Kratom is special, though. Not like "real" opiates. It's unique but has a dark side as well, and will only hurt you if you let it.

so yeah, be careful man.

By the way, I've never noticed an appreciable difference between Maeng Da and the other strains that justify the extremely inflated cost - sometimes nearly double.

Do your homework and don't get taken in by flashy blends and so on, either.[/QUOTE]
 
ok last week i went on a 5 day binge of Kratom didnt use any over the weekend and this week I am on a 4 day binge. I am not using huge amounts I am taking it in the range of 4-8 grams and I used MAENG DA a stronger form. last week after my 5 day Binge I felt no withdrawal. This week I dont think i will feel withdrawal after this 4 day binge. What kind of Withdrawal did you have anyways?
Yea Kratom is addictive. I know.
But im not doing more than 10 grams a day.

I understand the stuff about Heroine, MEthamphetamine, and the hard drugs. But seriously , I find Kratom to have medical value for me that is reduction in Anxiety, I am still functional and a good student on it.
I know I have to watch out.
So give me advice on how to use KRatom. I usually suffer from Insomnia KRatom takes that away.

I used the stronger MAENG DA FORm tonight like 2-3 grams.

Here's how to use kratom without getting addicted: QUIT taking it and use exercise, meditation, diet, etc. to deal with insomnia, anxiety, energy, etc. I still take ambien 10mg at night to sleep, and sometimes I still don't sleep much, but I am way more energetic than I was at the end of my kratom addiction when it quit working.

Now, here's what you want to hear: Keep doing what you're doing. No big deal. You went 5 days of using with no WDs, so no worries.

Truth: with your mindset and as many good things as it is doing for you now, without quitting now there's a stronger than 90% chance you're going to have a tougher quit later or get yourself into something else. Like maybe some real opiates. God are those good! (At first. Only at the beginning my friend. The end will whip your ass.)

Dude, even alcohol had medicinal value for me at the beginning. Took away my anxiety, sleep, social life better, etc. But years later it had turned on me, and I couldn't tell when or how. I just knew it didn't work anymore, and it was killing me. Kratom wasn't killing me itself, but when it quit doing all the awesome things it does in the beginning, I wanted something else, like alcohol, or H, or pills, or SOMEthing to feel as good as kratom did when I started.

As often as you're using, that's enough to build tolerance. Eventually. You won't know it till it's done happened. 10g a day is enough to get you hooked. And you'll talk yourself into higher doses if you need to.

My WDs from kratom. For about 3 days: severe chills and sweats, weirdly wicked anxiety, this painful boredom where nothing was fun and every 10 minutes I wanted to something else, then that wasn't fun. Malaise. Insomnia complete! Less than an hour or 2 of sleep each night for 3 or 4 nights. One night I was going crazy and downed a pint of 100 proof vodka just to get unconscious. Psychological torture was the worst. The anxiety, restless legs, no appetite, sweats, booooredom, and all the rest made me half nutty. No, totally nutty. It sucked. Now, was it as bad as when I quit poppy pods CT. No, but only because the symptoms got better after 3 days instead of 6. Oh, from kratom WD I also had the shits and stomach cramps for a few days. Even while using loperamide.

So, here's my opinion from experience. Kratom is working for you now, so you use it. It even lets you sleep. I know how much a relief that is as an insomnia sufferer. The longer you take it, the less you are going to want to face days without it. Eventually you'll take it when you had planned not to, and something in your head will pop up that justifies it nicely. We're very intuitive that way, we addicts. A day will come, maybe in months or years, and you will either want to move on to "better" drugs, or just find that kratom is sucking your bank account dry, eating up your time and energy, that it has turned on you, and.... Well man, if you keep it up, I'd bet good money you'll be facing a tough quit at the very least at some point.

Mild WDs are still abating at 3+ weeks.

Also, listen to the Mod single posts, please.
And heed what oxide said if you keep taking kratom: don't go for flashy crap. Less is more with kratom, even in an addiction. So don't go for "strong" blends or strains and definitely do NOT go in for the hyped-up extracts. Yes, they're stronger, but your tolerance will go through the roof and your cash will hit rocks at the bottom.

Yup,
pnm
 
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Kratom w/d's are a very personal thing. I used 30g a day for 8 months and stopped just like that. Three days and I felt fine. I know it's not the same for everyone, but don't scare people about Kratom.
 
Here's how to use kratom without getting addicted: QUIT taking it and use exercise, meditation, diet, etc. to deal with insomnia, anxiety, energy, etc. I still take ambien 10mg at night to sleep, and sometimes I still don't sleep much, but I am way more energetic than I was at the end of my kratom addiction when it quit working.

Now, here's what you want to hear: Keep doing what you're doing. No big deal. You went 5 days of using with no WDs, so no worries.

Truth: with your mindset and as many good things as it is doing for you now, without quitting now there's a stronger than 90% chance you're going to have a tougher quit later or get yourself into something else. Like maybe some real opiates. God are those good! (At first. Only at the beginning my friend. The end will whip your ass.)

Dude, even alcohol had medicinal value for me at the beginning. Took away my anxiety, sleep, social life better, etc. But years later it had turned on me, and I couldn't tell when or how. I just knew it didn't work anymore, and it was killing me. Kratom wasn't killing me itself, but when it quit doing all the awesome things it does in the beginning, I wanted something else, like alcohol, or H, or pills, or SOMEthing to feel as good as kratom did when I started.

As often as you're using, that's enough to build tolerance. Eventually. You won't know it till it's done happened. 10g a day is enough to get you hooked. And you'll talk yourself into higher doses if you need to.

My WDs from kratom. For about 3 days: severe chills and sweats, weirdly wicked anxiety, this painful boredom where nothing was fun and every 10 minutes I wanted to something else, then that wasn't fun. Malaise. Insomnia complete! Less than an hour or 2 of sleep each night for 3 or 4 nights. One night I was going crazy and downed a pint of 100 proof vodka just to get unconscious. Psychological torture was the worst. The anxiety, restless legs, no appetite, sweats, booooredom, and all the rest made me half nutty. No, totally nutty. It sucked. Now, was it as bad as when I quit poppy pods CT. No, but only because the symptoms got better after 3 days instead of 6. Oh, from kratom WD I also had the shits and stomach cramps for a few days. Even while using loperamide.

So, here's my opinion from experience. Kratom is working for you now, so you use it. It even lets you sleep. I know how much a relief that is as an insomnia sufferer. The longer you take it, the less you are going to want to face days without it. Eventually you'll take it when you had planned not to, and something in your head will pop up that justifies it nicely. We're very intuitive that way, we addicts. A day will come, maybe in months or years, and you will either want to move on to "better" drugs, or just find that kratom is sucking your bank account dry, eating up your time and energy, that it has turned on you, and.... Well man, if you keep it up, I'd bet good money you'll be facing a tough quit at the very least at some point.

Mild WDs are still abating at 3+ weeks.

Also, listen to the Mod single posts, please.
And heed what oxide said if you keep taking kratom: don't go for flashy crap. Less is more with kratom, even in an addiction. So don't go for "strong" blends or strains and definitely do NOT go in for the hyped-up extracts. Yes, they're stronger, but your tolerance will go through the roof and your cash will hit rocks at the bottom.

Yup,
pnm
This post is spot on!

My only issue with it is some people have no problem using alcohol responsible (as I am).
And some people also seem to be able to use kratom long-term without upping their dose or other addiction issues you mentioned (I wasnt one of those).

I guess it depends on the person. I'd say from experience that most people can handle alcohol, but not most people can handle kratom. It seems to be addictive for the majority, but a small minority seems to be able to control it
 
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