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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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So I tried 15x 4 the 1st time today & I gotta say.. Pretty weak. I was expecting so much more. More like an illicit opiate. I usually take around 12g of powder & 2g of 15x didn't do shit.. I'm Gona try 4g tmrw I guess. Here's a question I don't think I'm Gona get an answer for, does anybody have experience w/ tramadol & kratom together? There's not alot about this on the Internet so I was hopin my fellow blue lighters could help me out.
 
^ I would recommend staying from extracts, as they are far too expensive, even if you get them from good online vendors. And yes, Kratom and tramadol are a nice mix, but I would not eat any stimulating variety of Kratom while on anything more than 150mg of tram. Also, while on more than 8-10g of Kratom, if you dose more than once a day, then don't take any tramadol.

My preferred dosage when mixing the two was no more than 75-100mg of tram and 4-6g of good quality Kratom. Taken all at once, you get to enjoy the Kratom high, whose yomhimbe-like effects synergize with the NRI and SRA effects of tramadol, and, just as the opioid portions (mitragynine, 7-OHM) of the Kratom high start to wind down at the 3 hour mark, the converted O-Desmethyltramadol (for which tramadol acts as prodrug for, when used an as opioid) being converted from the tramadol starts reaching high enough levels to ensure no drop off in high or pain relief.

Be very careful mixing the two, and please take my dosage suggestions seriously, as I have plenty of experience with the two. In fact, they're my two favorite opioids/opiates. Just know that tramadol already lowers the seizure threshold with its 5-HT releasing and NRI effects, and Kratom also adds to the stimulant effect, further lowering the seizure threshold. Add on top of all this, that O-Desmethyltramadol and Kratom have opioid activity, and the seizure threshold is yet again lowered. Delta opioid agonists, like mitragynine (found in Kratom) or bupe, also lower seizure thresholds...

So, not as dangerous as mixing CNS stimulants with tramadol, and safe when both used in moderation, but it's definitely risky when you overdo both. If you found that you took too much tramadol one day (more than 200mg+), I would stay far, far away from Kratom.
 
ErgicMergic said:
^ I would recommend staying from extracts, as they are far too expensive, even if you get them from good online vendors. And yes, Kratom and tramadol are a nice mix, but I would not eat any stimulating variety of Kratom while on anything more than 150mg of tram. Also, while on more than 8-10g of Kratom, if you dose more than once a day, then don't take any tramadol.

My preferred dosage when mixing the two was no more than 75-100mg of tram and 4-6g of good quality Kratom. Taken all at once, you get to enjoy the Kratom high, whose yomhimbe-like effects synergize with the NRI and SRA effects of tramadol, and, just as the opioid portions (mitragynine, 7-OHM) of the Kratom high start to wind down at the 3 hour mark, the converted O-Desmethyltramadol (for which tramadol acts as prodrug for, when used an as opioid) being converted from the tramadol starts reaching high enough levels to ensure no drop off in high or pain relief.

Be very careful mixing the two, and please take my dosage suggestions seriously, as I have plenty of experience with the two. In fact, they're my two favorite opioids/opiates. Just know that tramadol already lowers the seizure threshold with its 5-HT releasing and NRI effects, and Kratom also adds to the stimulant effect, further lowering the seizure threshold. Add on top of all this, that O-Desmethyltramadol and Kratom have opioid activity, and the seizure threshold is yet again lowered. Delta opioid agonists, like mitragynine (found in Kratom) or bupe, also lower seizure thresholds...

So, not as dangerous as mixing CNS stimulants with tramadol, and safe when both used in moderation, but it's definitely risky when you overdo both. If you found that you took too much tramadol one day (more than 200mg+), I would stay far, far away from Kratom.
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Once again ErgicMergic; great fucking answer. Exactly what I was looking for. But I usually take around 10-11g, anything less & I don't feel it. & my kratom is like medium quality. Not great, but not bad. So what would u recommend giving those circumstances?
 
Best to my knowledge as I reviewed a few opiates in my drug book.

Opiates do not have a warning for seizures.

Tramadol does because it works on neurotransmitters and some opiate recieptors.
 
I just need to say this.. I've been doing this shit wrong all along & I have a feeling that most of u have too. To the ones that already kno this please don't flame me just write me off as a noob & move along lol. But I keep hearing less is more around a diff forum specializing in this sort of thing.. & it's true to the fullest. Right now I'm feeling better than I ever have on kratom & it's due to the fact that I cut my dose in half. I usually burn like 10-12g & tonight (even after dinner) I burned about 6g & I gotta say, great fuckin choice. Please give It a try guys. & if it doesn't work for u, then just bounce back to where u were.
 
^ You know, Ive noticed that too. Sometimes when I do that I feel more sedated (off of a stimulating strain, Green Malaysian) and take a nap if I can. It really helps with tolerance if you can keep it up for a week or 2.
 
FadedZombie said:
Good luck bro u got my support. But just out of curiosity, Y are u quitting?
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Thanks man. I'm quitting because I was fully addicted, spent too much money on it, was a slave to it, it was about to lead me back to drinking, it took away my horniness sometimes when I wanted it (hot gf), and I want to be fully clean and sober. I only started it for relief from the bad withdrawals from poppy pods. Now I'm sitting up in the middle of the night because I can't sleep at about 36 hours after my last dose. Once this set of WDs goes away I'll be free and clear, and FREE!
 
Well if I can reccomend something to make it a little easier, loperamide. It works fuckin magic. & for me it produces a mild opiate buzz. & trust me I don't think u gotta worry about getting addicted to that. It's not even possible to do more than one day in a row lol u won't b able to shit for weeks. But if u just do it once when the withdrawals are really bad you'll b just fine. & it's long lasting too. That should make this transition alot easier.
 
silentcowboy said:
^ You know, Ive noticed that too. Sometimes when I do that I feel more sedated (off of a stimulating strain, Green Malaysian) and take a nap if I can. It really helps with tolerance if you can keep it up for a week or 2.
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Yea man thank god I found that thread it's Gona save me a lot of money & I don't have to worry about wobbly eyes anymore cause I'm not taking nearly as much. & my tolerance is really starting to piss me off so this is good. But I remember u saying a while back that u dose 4g 5 times a day? Does that give u a good opiate feeling all day? & is it just as strong a feeling every dose or is it less effective throughout the day? I'm curious cause if it's effective enough like a nice opiate buzz w/ euphoria & effective pain relief I might just switch up the way I dose. Like instead of one big dose in the morning I spread it out all day?
 
FadedZombie said:
Well if I can reccomend something to make it a little easier, loperamide. It works fuckin magic. & for me it produces a mild opiate buzz. & trust me I don't think u gotta worry about getting addicted to that. It's not even possible to do more than one day in a row lol u won't b able to shit for weeks. But if u just do it once when the withdrawals are really bad you'll b just fine. & it's long lasting too. That should make this transition alot easier.
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thanks. I took 5 pills, whicch is 10 mg yesterday when I got the shits and it got me OK enough to go to an AA meeting. do you think I should take more next time? I'm not gonna take anymore until I poop again. :)
 
FadedZombie said:
Yea man thank god I found that thread it's Gona save me a lot of money & I don't have to worry about wobbly eyes anymore cause I'm not taking nearly as much. & my tolerance is really starting to piss me off so this is good. But I remember u saying a while back that u dose 4g 5 times a day? Does that give u a good opiate feeling all day? & is it just as strong a feeling every dose or is it less effective throughout the day? I'm curious cause if it's effective enough like a nice opiate buzz w/ euphoria & effective pain relief I might just switch up the way I dose. Like instead of one big dose in the morning I spread it out all day?
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I tapered a bit before I went CT day before yesterday. (pretty miserable right now) And I found that less was more. I dropped my doses in half, down to about 6g 4-5 times a day and found that I felt even better and that the buzz on some of those days actually got better with each successive dose. but other days my smaller dose would have me starting the chills before my next dose. kratom is one weird fucking animal.
 
Yeah I dose ~4g and about 5x a day (depending on sleep/work/ect). The buzz that I get from 4g lasts about 3 hours... sadly not all day :P But it does let you feel the kratom several times in a day. One thing Ill reccomend with redosing is wait until you've stopped feeling the effects completly because Ive wasted a lot of kratom chasing that initial buzz too soon. Also, the first kratom dose if the day is always the strongest, so I start at like 3.5g and at the end of the day Ill bump up to 4.5g to get close to the first dose. (also it depends on strain, green = ~4 hours until the next dose and certian red veins last 5+ hours.
Also what can help out a lot is throwing in a red vein at night. This helps because you can sleep all night without waking up with RLS, and that red vein buzz before bed gives you more of an opiate feel that puts me to sleep. Also my kratom vendor has the absolute best Valerian root extract, I take before bed, or in place of the nightly kratom dose to help me sleep.

FadedZombie said:
Yea man thank god I found that thread it's Gona save me a lot of money & I don't have to worry about wobbly eyes anymore cause I'm not taking nearly as much. & my tolerance is really starting to piss me off so this is good. But I remember u saying a while back that u dose 4g 5 times a day? Does that give u a good opiate feeling all day? & is it just as strong a feeling every dose or is it less effective throughout the day? I'm curious cause if it's effective enough like a nice opiate buzz w/ euphoria & effective pain relief I might just switch up the way I dose. Like instead of one big dose in the morning I spread it out all day?
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Im convinced that the way I was taking kratom before was all wrong. Now I can truly enjoy it the way it was meant to b. Thanks cowboy u helped a lot.

podsnomo said:
thanks. I took 5 pills, whicch is 10 mg yesterday when I got the shits and it got me OK enough to go to an AA meeting. do you think I should take more next time? I'm not gonna take anymore until I poop again. :)
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As far as the lope, ive found that if u take an absurd amount small amounts can cross Into the brain. Giving u a nice calm feeling that u normally couldn't imagine in the middle of WD. But it's completely up to u. A lot of ppl wouldnt dare take that much. But IMO its the best way to get off of things cause if I have @ least a mild calm opiate feeling I can get thru my day.
 
Keep me updated on how that works out for you and anything you notice about dosing that way (to help us not waste money/kratom). For example I find that if I eat 5-10 mins after I dose (on am empty stomach) it really improves the effects, and makes it last slightly longer.
 
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