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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Fresco said:
Has anyone tried tapering off kratom to quit??

If so, how well did that work for you??
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I used the same taper schedule I use for opiates - reduce by 1/3 every three days. On the third day, take the new amount and reduce it by 1/3 and repeat. I reduce amounts rather than skipping or stretching out dose times, but after a certain point, you may find you can skip doses (and I personally find getting off kratom to be painless, so I suspect the dose skipping might be pretty easy, but if it puts you in a bad place, then I'd taper it strictly until you're down below the amount you can feel).
 
@ blueheaven have you tried a thai strain? I'm no expert with thai but I did have some enhanced thai which had me working all day it was awesome.
 
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@ blueheaven have you tried a thai strain? I'm no expert with thai but I did have some enhanced thai which had me working all day it was awesome.
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I have, as of last week, and it's one of my new favorites for the day. But no matter what kind I try, I have the oversleeping issue the next day, just stay in bed for 12 hours hitting snooze for hours or rolling over on my phone or whatever. I was taking Bali at first and then moved to strains with a more energizing reputation thinking that might help, but it doesn't. The day of is fine as long as I take kratom twice during the day to get over the afternoon slump/nap fit - but it's the next day that is the real killer. I imagine that one month out from a four year pod habit, some of this *might* be due to opiates still, maybe my brain is still recovering from that, with pods having such a long half life, and that's where the sleepiness is coming in, so I've been asking around (in hopes that I can hang onto the kratom because it does help me so much during the day). But on days when I do skip the kratom (and I can, with no WDs, I just can't get anything done and am in a fog all day), I don't have *quite* the fogginess the next day. I haven't gone more than two days w/o kratom to test this theory and see if my sleep gets back to normal and I guess I should - it's just I think I'd stay in bed all day w/o it. I very much appreciate the input though, thank you.
 
I can understand that, but it still seems to me that you are describing withdrawals. If you take the kratom you have energy until the next day. And once you take kratom again you have energy? Sounds like a withdrawal symptom, especially since you said you haven't waited more than two days. You might also be getting weak kratom, which just happened to me but I thought my tolerance was so high. Turns out I've lowered my tolerance substantially with this weak kratom in the last two weeks because I just got a new order and woah ...

You might be expecting a withdrawal from strong opiates which kratom does not produce. Like I've said my symptoms are extreme fatigue, and I know what you mean by being in a fog all day. I have no nausea and can walk around functioning but it is still uncomfortable.
 
Kratom is a unique plant, I have experienced liver problems from high doses, if one makes Kratom a habit do an Isolation and extract the Alkaloids to create a smaller mass that will hit your blood stream harder than your GI tract. It is irresponsible to take 10-20 even 30 pills of plain powder this plant does have an edge although it is safe on the mind it is hard on the body.
 
@ liftedgift: So you're suggesting the sleepiness is kratom withdrawal and not directly / immediately the effects of kratom. I misunderstood you the first time. And you seem to be suggesting that three weeks of kratom usage ranging from 5 to 15 grams a day will cause withdrawal (and in my case, sleepiness is the only WD symptom). I seriously doubt that's what's going on, but if that were so, then if I quit using it for a couple of weeks and then used it once to see how I was the next day, then I should not experience the sleepiness. am I tracking with what you're saying now?

I can't think of any other way to test what you're proposing. But yeah, my earliest experiences with can't be definitively separated from opiate WD effects since the half life of pods is so long, so I would have to test this theory when I was certain both were out of my system. The pods assuredly are at one month out, and given the short effects of kratom, I would not think the half life such that it would still be in my system after a few days, but I guess I'd have to take a week or two off to test the theory. If I use it one day for the first time in weeks, and am sleepy the next day, it's the kratom causing the fuzzy-headeness. If I'm not, then it was kratom WD and my kratom WD symptoms involve sleeping all the time. Man, that makes an even better case for using it to kick opiates but a lousier case for continuing to take it when the acute opiate WD is over. Guess I'll have to test it out.
 
Kratom Withdrawl for that timespan of using will only be a few days, If it is causing problems stay off it, eat vitamins and stay healthy, the speed like effect is not forgotten by your brain so you will just crave it like a cigarette but distraction helps and symptoms will pass. Addiction is no where close to Amp - op- Benzoz, thanks to the organic nature and less potency then oP
 
EarthBounded said:
Kratom is a unique plant, I have experienced liver problems from high doses, if one makes Kratom a habit do an Isolation and extract the Alkaloids to create a smaller mass that will hit your blood stream harder than your GI tract. It is irresponsible to take 10-20 even 30 pills of plain powder this plant does have an edge although it is safe on the mind it is hard on the body.
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I'd like to see proof on the liver damage, In my experience of using almost daily for close to a year I have no liver problems as I get my blood taken to look at my liver function for the medication I'm on.
 
Just something i noticed recently and its significant enough for a quick post here.

I am the point where i just go straight to dizzyness, wobbles and tremors from high Kratom doses due to tolerance from potent extracts. No goodness, no euphoria.

What i noticed however accidentally and then tested to confirm, is that when i take my usual ch-elated magnesium and milk thistle in the evenings (while in the middle of disappointing Kratom side effects and experience) I notice a significant and surprising increase in effects and reduction in bad side effects.

I will go from no positives, zero itch, to a decent itch and buzz and all my tremors and weird dizziness/wobbles will disappear. Its surprisingly significant change 30 minutes after those two supplements.

Now after research (to put it really simply) i see Milk Thistle has a potentiating effect due to inhibitions so that accounts for the increase in positive effects.

I am wondering however if the magnesium is somehow contributing to reducing the negative side effects because in theory the above potentiation would also theoretically increase the negative side effects from an already big dose?

Im wondering how the negatives get reduced in this equation?

Any thoughts?
 
I have tried Kratom before with no effect.just bali leaf I would hear in microwave and drink liquid.but also I was on harder narcotics.should I try it again since i'm not using hard stuff anymore and if so should I use an extract our just buy leaf powder again?
 
liftedgift said:
Expect to see prices rise soon, Word around is that Indonesia has banned Kratom exports
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Allow me to play Snopes for a minute.

Partly true

http://www.kratomassociation.org/fo...n-kratom-ban-export-ban--alert-but-dont-panic

Some sellers have been posting and emailing around that Indonesia has banned kratom (export), causing some panic in the market over the last few days. Since some are already trying to score in the google rankings based on "Indonesia Kratom Ban", its our duty to outrank them and post the facts. I do not think it is time to panic, but below some of the "ban" facts.

- Some sellers from Borneo have indeed not been able to ship abroad over the last week and have heard that the export is banned, they have been told so by local BPOM officials (the Indonesian "FDA" in Kalimantan/Borneo, they regulate medication and so on), but it has not been officially confirmed nationwide and there is no nationwide restriction in Indonesia. It should be noted that BPOM is indeed like the FDA, so its not an Indonesian version of the DEA and so on.

- Others (those not located in Borneo) continue to ship as usual and have had no trouble over the last week.

- Online there are already some rumors circulation about an Indonesian ban or that it has been outlawed in Indonesia. This is not the case.

- Shippers in Borneo have had trouble in the past as well, while others were free to ship in the same time and even aggressively started to email when a so called "ban" was put in place, this indicates that some sellers in the Borneo area might have bribed officials to stop competitors shipments from being exported. Not saying this is the case now, but it certainly is something to keep in mind.

It is possible that the situation might indeed change, so I recommend stocking up some, just in case. See the certified sellers list XXXXXXXXXXX for sources. I recommend that our sellers will keep you updated about stock in their own sections.

I urge you all to use this discussion only for sharing further facts about the developments on the situation, don't use this discussion to vent your emotions or post any rumor, hear-say or news that is not carefully checked, since we don't want to create a hoax and also not create an Q&A (if its not mentioned yet there are no answers). If we have an update on the situation we will post it here
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And right under that statement is


"As promised an update:

In Borneo there have indeed been official letters stating that kratom cannot be exported, issued by BPOM (see above) and seemingly put up on request of the "quarantine" office in Borneo (an organisation established to control exports of forest products, who started to check exports of kratom last year (after noticing the size of the business), but that is also to be known on the "paylist" of a number of sellers).

Arguments used to control exports are that kratom is, according to the organizations mentioned, a "drugs". This is a bit weird of course, since they have received payments for some time to let this "drugs" pass and be exported.

These limitations are still locally, no nationwide efforts have been taken, but supply from Borneo/Kalimantan is indeed seriously crippled, which seem to have encouraged some international sellers to directly increase their prices.

More importers/buyers confirm that they received a couple of emails from Borneo sellers, just after the "ban", which still keeps the option open that it is indeed a measure initiated by a or some Borneo based seller(s), taken to limit others from exporting.

Regardless of the outcome, we do indeed expect supplies from Indonesia to be limited in time, so stocking up might not be a bad idea."

http://www.kratomassociation.org/fo...n-kratom-ban-export-ban--alert-but-dont-panic


My main point being that prices will rise, and hopefully that is the only problem. It may not be nationwide yet but it's not a good sign that a big part of the country has restrictions/bans right now.
 
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Tax refunds is going towards kilos of bulk leaf, a vac sealer, dry boxes, dessicants and oxygen absorbers for this very resason. Just a matter of time folks. If cannabis cannot be legal, kratom sure as hell won't get past the Dick Eating Agency, and the Corrupt Interfering Asslickers who make sure american policy is pushed across the globe. And dont get me started on Fucking Delusional Aristocrats serving their pharmaceutical monoply men.

I wish i could express my contemt for the state of affairs of "controlled substances" in a more eloquent way, but alas, language is language.
 
Better store those kilos properly, or in about a year it wont be even half as potent. it is semi-fresh ground plant containing alkaloids of mostly unknown properties.... Just a warning. I think kratom will stay legal, if not well... lets just say I wont be the only fiend to end up switching back to harder opiates if kratom wasnt around!
 
Hiltoniano said:
Better store those kilos properly, or in about a year it wont be even half as potent. it is semi-fresh ground plant containing alkaloids of mostly unknown properties.... Just a warning. I think kratom will stay legal, if not well... lets just say I wont be the only fiend to end up switching back to harder opiates if kratom wasnt around!
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I have some green malay and borneo red vein I bought over a year ago and they are both still about the same potency as they were when I bought them. I just kept them stored in a drawer in my room thats not exposed to any sunlight.
 
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