Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[《Plasticity》]

plant material doesn't do that or people would get ulcers from eating kale... powdered plant material is cellulose, not powdered diamond abrasive

the nausea is likely from the gastric motility reducing effects of kratom (like all opioids it slows your intestinal contractions down & prolongs transit of food through your system). maybe you're eating too much?

Kratom irritates the hell out of my ulcers and very well may be the cause of them in the first place (maybe not, I'll never know). Every time I switch to tea within a few weeks of PPI therapy my ulcers are for the most part healed, when I start toss and washing they come back.

I'm not saying that ulcers from kratom are common, but the shit can be irritating to the GI. I'm sure you've seen how well kratom dissolves in water, imagine gritty hydrophobic powder being squeezed through your intestines.

 

[Mycophile]

I'm just wondering about people's experiences both driving and working out hard on Kratom because they are two things that I've been reluctant to do on Kratom lately but would like to do more of (especially since I need to workout more and getting to the gym requires driving...).

I tend to think that both are best to be avoided though for different reasons, especially driving:

When it comes to driving I have noticed lately that in general (not when driving since I haven't done much on Kratom and I only do it twice a week) the higher doses of Kratom and red vein bali I've been using lately can get me pretty sedated and I tend to think I could be more likely to get in an accident if I drove.

I've noticed a few times when on high doses of Kratom I've gotten clumsy and dropped or spilled things I normally wouldn't and in a driving situation that could be pretty bad...but at the same time on lower doses or green vein I get very stimulated and sometimes seem to be better at certain types of work so I guess it can vary.

As far as working out, I've noticed my heart can sometimes go pretty fast on a stimulating dose of Kratom and I also have large doses of caffeine in me most of the time so I think maybe the extra work load on the heart from working out might be bad.

I know that Kratom isn't the same as dexedrine but my grandfather used to be a doctor who prescribed dexadrine a lot and recommended people not work out on it cause of the extra heart load so I wonder if working out really hard on Kratom could be unsafe?

Just curious what others think and if people on here like to drive around and exercise heavily on Kratom.

 

[SolidRegardless]

I have been on MST for about 4 years due to a bad health issue which I won't get in to -- not relevant. Anyway, I somehow managed to get to 180mg BD of MST as my tolerance was extremely high. When I was on the lower doses I used to crush the tablets up as I found I could get a really nice euphoric feeling from it. I am desperately trying to reduce and come off it. This is where Kratom has come in. I got my first batch of Kratom today. It is the Green Malay Kratom. I have run out of my meds a day early and started to get some serious withdrawals about 3 hours ago. I downed about 8 grams of Kratom and I must admit the withdrawals have subsided massively. Is Kratom my answer to defeating the MST addiction?

It was actually really funny when I first tried to "tosh and wash". I drank a bit of water, chucked the Kratom in, went for my water and gagged. Coughed the green powder all over my nice clean plates and cutlery on the draining board!! I then tried yogurt which was a bit better. Then I decided to have 3 more grams and just mixed it with water. It seemed much more palatable than T&W! The taste of crushed up MST was much more tolerable than the Kratom.

I seriously hope that Kratom is the key to me kicking the MST. I have been on the MST for so long that it has caused me to get Hypergonadism. I put on a load of weight too. From what I have read about Kratom, there are so many health benefits too! I only care about it helping with the withdrawal symptoms. There is nothing worse than those

 

[Crazyfrog]

Well... i ended up getting real sick. Lol. I took 2 teaspoons in the morning at 7am yesterday.. By 1pm i had fatigue and felt cold and weak. I took another same dose at 2pm thinking is wd. It barely touched the symptoms. By 6pm i was shivering with hot flashes and a massive heaf ache. Lololol. Gentlemen. .... it was not fun. Im feelung better this morning anf took 2 teaspoons again to see of im really allergic to kratom. But this time i did it as tea. Might have wasted a dosage but i think i can't stomach the powder. I grabbed a mint tea pouch and dumped the real tea out. Filled it wirh kratom and closed it. Let a cup of water boil and then dumpedvthe teabag inside. Some done powder got through. I let it sit with the flame out for about 15 minutes. Then drank it. Is been 15 minutes and don't feel anything. Lololololololololol

p.s.
my morning piss was a little darker yellowish than usual . I read on people going to the ER for these exact symptons aye using kratom. I think I'm one of them. I sucked it up and just slept it out. Woke up around 5am just drenched in sweat. Took a shower and felt better. So have a slight head ache. But fatigue is gone. And i think I'm beginning to feel the kratom.

 

[Trying2Iso]

Anyone else done the Pegasus shot?
comes free in each shipment of Kratom
pretty weak but not a bad flavor.

 

[SolidRegardless]

@Crazyfrog I hope I don't go like that.. eek!

It has been 3 hours since I first took about 10 grams and didn't really feel much. I did get a bit of a warm feeling, but that was it. Starting to get the WD come back and have taken another 7g. As long as I can stave off the WD until tomorrow!

 

[Crazyfrog]

haha. I didn't go to work. The dose i took this morning agrevated the left over symptons from lat night. My head ache came back to medium not severe. And got chili again. Fatigue us also slightly elevated. I just ate some breakfast. Hoping it helps. I don't know. .. i am taking a new batch i bought off a herbal shop.it could be this batch. Luckily i only bought 28gm. But it could also be thay my stomach can't handle this no more. I'm on almost 2 weeks talking kratom with inly 2 days off. And another thing, i actually enjoyed the flavor last week. Now I'm beginning to see why some people claim is really bad. Im begining to hate it myself.

QUOTE=SolidRegardless;12899112]@Crazyfrog I hope I don't go like that.. eek!


It has been 3 hours since I first took about 10 grams and didn't really feel much. I did get a bit of a warm feeling, but that was it. Starting to get the WD come back and have taken another 7g. As long as I can stave off the WD until tomorrow![/QUOTE]

 

[SolidRegardless]

I have eaten so much of it now I can't believe there is much more room in my stomach for anything else. The taste is disgusting! I have beeb taking it with yogurt and it is slightly better, but still vile. I used to crush 120mg MST capsules 3 times a day so I have a serious opiate addiction. I have got that down to 90mg twice a day, but run out yesterday. 'Tis why I am resorting to this to get me through some WD. I have a ton of Gabapentin and Pregabalin in the medicine cupboard. I am worried whether it will contraindicate with the Kratom!?

 

[Crazyfrog]

I have eaten so much of it now I can't believe there is much more room in my stomach for anything else. The taste is disgusting! I have beeb taking it with yogurt and it is slightly better, but still vile. I used to crush 120mg MST capsules 3 times a day so I have a serious opiate addiction. I have got that down to 90mg twice a day, but run out yesterday. 'Tis why I am resorting to this to get me through some WD. I have a ton of Gabapentin and Pregabalin in the medicine cupboard. I am worried whether it will contraindicate with the Kratom!?

Well.. i feel like sh$t. Has to be this kratom. I feel like i felt yesterday afternoon before i got the cold shivers. Oh.... i also wonder about mixing kratom with other meds. Ima lay down. This is not fun.

 

[SolidRegardless]

Well.. i feel like sh$t. Has to be this kratom. I feel like i felt yesterday afternoon before i got the cold shivers. Oh.... i also wonder about mixing kratom with other meds. Ima lay down. This is not fun.

I feel for you bruv.

I must admit, by now I would be climbing up the wall. I don't feel like that. I do feel a bit sick but only mildly. I gotta say, considering my usual opiate dosing, the Kratom is definitely helping with the WD. It is just not pleasant thinking about the next time I need to take some. I bought some more yogurt and fruit juice in preparation! I felt totally drugged walking to the shop lol.

 

[Crazyfrog]

I feel for you bruv.


I must admit, by now I would be climbing up the wall. I don't feel like that. I do feel a bit sick but only mildly. I gotta say, considering my usual opiate dosing, the Kratom is definitely helping with the WD. It is just not pleasant thinking about the next time I need to take some. I bought some more yogurt and fruit juice in preparation! I felt totally drugged walking to the shop lol.

Yup... kratom can get you loppy. I think I'm going to stop for a while until i get better. Take care everyone.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Haha.. i downed another 2 teaspoons normally. Just pour and wash. Now o feel lile total sh%t. Haha

doing some reading , looks like the magic number is 2 weeks. After 2 weeks of daily use, you have bad symptoms like i have. Not everyone though , just a few individuals. Anyways..... i got to rest.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Ok... its been 1 hour sinxe i dosed and i got a very small relief from the terrible symptoms. I'm beginning to wonder if i an over dosing. I'm using one of those nyquil type medicine cups.its got 1 to 4 teaspoons marks. Im pouring exacly to the 2 teaspoon mark and make sure irs level by taping it with a spoon. 2 teaspoon equals how many in kratom grams? Doing reading i compared out to about 2 teaspoons of baking soda since it's fine. And 2 teaspoons of baking soda equals about 9gm. 4.5 grams per spoon. Anyone agree of im off. I think once i take a long break from kratom, im going to take only 1 1/2 teaspoons. And how long before i get all the kratom out of my system?

 

[SolidRegardless]

Ok... its been 1 hour sinxe i dosed and i got a very small relief from the terrible symptoms. I'm beginning to wonder if i an over dosing. I'm using one of those nyquil type medicine cups.its got 1 to 4 teaspoons marks. Im pouring exacly to the 2 teaspoon mark and make sure irs level by taping it with a spoon. 2 teaspoon equals how many in kratom grams? Doing reading i compared out to about 2 teaspoons of baking soda since it's fine. And 2 teaspoons of baking soda equals about 9gm. 4.5 grams per spoon. Anyone agree of im off. I think once i take a long break from kratom, im going to take only 1 1/2 teaspoons. And how long before i get all the kratom out of my system?

Yah, I think you are quite close with your measurements.

I just took another 7 grams. This is on top of 600mg Gabapentin and about 3 large glasses of rum and coke. I know from experience that drinking alcohol and taking weird substances never ends well! As long as my severe head ache goes I don't care. If I pass out, then great! I got 12 hrs and counting before I can get my script!!

 

[SolidRegardless]

@Crazyfrog you may of already said but what type of Kratom are you using? Mine is Green malay.

 

[Drew.]

Hey froggy!
Try lowering the dose! Even when i started Kratom, the bigger doses can make me have an extreme headache and make me sick. Even now they could.
Try going lower!
Oh, and drink lots of water. It will dehydrate you like caffeine would.

As for working out? Well I LOVE IT. It's said to be used for an energy booster for workers in fields; so I tried it right away. I deal with heavy materials for three hours a day and taking Kratom before it makes me WANT to get an even better workout than i am!
The feelings of energy and how good it feels to just lift things... it totally added another level of enjoyment to my work.
And i got buff; ).

 

[SolidRegardless]

@drew what type do you take and how do you take it? I have got green malay and I tried to toss and wash today and failed miserably. My plates and cups on the draining board got the blunt end of it after the green mist had subsided lol. I started to take it to help with opiate WD. It helped in the early stages but really didn't help later this evening. I gave in and went to my GP and I got my script early. I now feel great!

 

[《Plasticity》]

Well... i ended up getting real sick. Lol. I took 2 teaspoons in the morning at 7am yesterday.. By 1pm i had fatigue and felt cold and weak. I took another same dose at 2pm thinking is wd. It barely touched the symptoms. By 6pm i was shivering with hot flashes and a massive heaf ache. Lololol. Gentlemen. .... it was not fun. Im feelung better this morning anf took 2 teaspoons again to see of im really allergic to kratom. But this time i did it as tea. Might have wasted a dosage but i think i can't stomach the powder. I grabbed a mint tea pouch and dumped the real tea out. Filled it wirh kratom and closed it. Let a cup of water boil and then dumpedvthe teabag inside. Some done powder got through. I let it sit with the flame out for about 15 minutes. Then drank it. Is been 15 minutes and don't feel anything. Lololololololololol

p.s.
my morning piss was a little darker yellowish than usual . I read on people going to the ER for these exact symptons aye using kratom. I think I'm one of them. I sucked it up and just slept it out. Woke up around 5am just drenched in sweat. Took a shower and felt better. So have a slight head ache. But fatigue is gone. And i think I'm beginning to feel the kratom.

Your not allergic to kratom, your just in withdrawal. You've got a deep history of opioid abuse, sounds like your re-kindling tolerance. I'd be careful, your playing with fire here. On another note, It's normal for urine to be darker yellow and/or smell worse when your dehydrated or lacking water, due to higher urea content. Your morning piss is usually a deep yellow until you get a few glasses of water into you which will dilute itself into a clear to clear yellow color. It's when your urine is this color that you wanna get checked out... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/RhabdoUrine.JPG

 

[SolidRegardless]

@CaptainKratom totally agree... my piss has been that colour several times when I have abused Opiates and hit the alcohol when I have run out. It usually put me in hospital through dehydration because I neglected taking on water. I seriously advise anyone to keep their hydration up.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Yah, I think you are quite close with your measurements.

I just took another 7 grams. This is on top of 600mg Gabapentin and about 3 large glasses of rum and coke. I know from experience that drinking alcohol and taking weird substances never ends well! As long as my severe head ache goes I don't care. If I pass out, then great! I got 12 hrs and counting before I can get my script!!

Lol. I wish i could say that aswell. There's no hope at in getting a script. Im done for. Only a miracle would allow everything to fall in place for a nice ex for a few more times.lol. but being almost a month clean isn't bad.