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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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I took some kratom for a bit when I had a far lower tolerance, and believe I actually felt it. However by the fourth time I got so sick, and nauseous that I went to the doctor. No help there, but it went away. I thought I might have even picked up gastroenteritis
 
^ Make a tea, problem solved.... Eating the powder makes me bloated and I imagine is quite rough on the GI, it may have even been the cause of my duodenal ulcers.

So I've decided to take a break from kratom, I've gone 2 days with no kratom now and this kick is laughable, seriously I've had ZERO discomfort and slept like a baby last night. What's my "cure"? A combination of gabapentin, baclofen, and sometimes etizolam. Seriously the combination of gabapentin and baclofen has taken away 95% of my withdrawals, the etiz is for any acute anxiety or insomnia in between doses. I'm thinking of quitting kratom for a while but I still don't know, I never feel like I accomplished anything when I succesfully quit. Either way my withdrawals have been mild at best, I think it helps that I actually WANT to quit/take a break.
 
I've seen mention of Kratom around for a long time but have yet to get around to trying some despite having tried copious amounts of other drugs.

I've picked up some Red Borneo Kratom Powder. It was hard to know which to go for but this one seemed to be described as quite relaxing in various trip experiences on other websites & I noticed the vendor said in a blog post that it was grown on a private reserve.

I am thinking that 3g would probably be a good starting place? I have zero tolerances to opiates. I assume it's not enhanced since it is not mentioned but is most likely what Erowid calls "premium" or "super" grade.

I assume that putting it in capsules & consuming on an empty stomach would be best? I don't see how that would be any different to what I've seen referred to as "toss and wash".

I'm quite excited at the prospect of finding something that I can use for a quiet evening once in a while. I quite like using Codeine/DHC for this purpose but these days I can't be bothered with CWEs etc.
 
Does anyone else like kratom more than opiates?

After using kratom to get off heroin recently, I realized that I actually enjoy kratom more than heroin. I feel like such a moron for being a heroin addict all those years when I could have just used kratom instead.

There are several reasons I like it more. Of course it doesn't give me a rush like IV heroin but I find heroin so unsatisfying. As a heroin addict what typically happens is that I feel good 30 minutes after my shot and the rest of the day I just feel normal, unless I increase my dose and I am always unsatisfied and wanting more. WIth kratom, a strong dose gets me high 2-3 hours and there is no compulsive desire to re-dose.

I also find the high more enjoyable than heroin. On heroin all I wanna do is relax and be lazy, on kratom I am motivated to get things done. Heroin blocks my emotions and puts me into an opiate haze, kratom does not. I am more conscious on kratom vs heroin, heroin feels purely escapist whereas with kratom I am more engaged with life. I also find kratom to be far superior as a painkiller. Heroin seems to kill pain well the first few days but as soon as I get a habit, I feel pain just as much as I always did and even more so when the amount of heroin in my system lessens. WIth kratom, I get good pain relief from it.

On heroin I am always miserable except right after I shoot up, so my whole life revolves around that. On kratom, I feel so much better and happier.

Anyone else feel this way?
 
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I've seen mention of Kratom around for a long time but have yet to get around to trying some despite having tried copious amounts of other drugs.

I've picked up some Red Borneo Kratom Powder. It was hard to know which to go for but this one seemed to be described as quite relaxing in various trip experiences on other websites & I noticed the vendor said in a blog post that it was grown on a private reserve.

I am thinking that 3g would probably be a good starting place? I have zero tolerances to opiates. I assume it's not enhanced since it is not mentioned but is most likely what Erowid calls "premium" or "super" grade.

I assume that putting it in capsules & consuming on an empty stomach would be best? I don't see how that would be any different to what I've seen referred to as "toss and wash".

I'm quite excited at the prospect of finding something that I can use for a quiet evening once in a while. I quite like using Codeine/DHC for this purpose but these days I can't be bothered with CWEs etc.
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With zero opiate tolerance 3g is a good, but cautious dose. I would imagine full effects won't be noticed til the 4-5g range but it's best to play it safe as too much kratom is not fun. If you bought plain leaf that's not already capped and don't have an ez cap machine then don't bother trying to cap up your own kratom, it's messy and a pain in the ass... just TnW. TnW is actually slightly more effective as your body doesn't have to break through the capsules. Have fun!
 
I've been taking Kratom on/off for a few weeks now, and I've never gone above 4 grams in a dose. I think with no specific Kratom tolerance, or active full agonist dependency 3 grams is a great dose in general IME. YMMV, but I find Kratom has an ideal dose, going above or below both yield a less pleasant (though not unpleasant) group of sensations.
 
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It's all dependant on the individual, I started at 4 grams and ended up at 5 within a week or two but I was in it for the opiate effects... 3gs certainly provided a nice euphoric, motivational push but I wanted a full blown high lol. Obviously though everyone has their limit to where kratom just becomes straight up unpleasant, I have read of people dosing ounces at a time!!! Ymmv is at play here. I will say though that the people who's doses hover around the three gram range are in the minority.
 
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Of course. But from my view, when one starts a new substance they want the lowest dose that'll make em feel good. For reasons of novelty and tolerance, you can enjoy a substance more when you have comfortable room to move before your dose gets alarming.

What screws with me is that I came off a long term habit with stronger opiates, onto daily Kratom then semi-daily Kratom without ever being truly sick. I haven't even been committed to tapering the Kratom, it just happens. I wake up feeling good, and who the fuck wants to down Kratom in the AM? So I wait till I feel bad, but I never really do. I still can't sleep without it (or Phenibut, I limit myself to 2x a week), so I typically take at least a bed time dose. But I go at least 2 days clean a week with little discomfort after 3-4 years of daily opiate/bupe use. Nuts.
 
Definately, which is why I said 3g was a good starting dose... just that most won't notice full effects until dosing a tad higher. 4-5grams with no tolerance was certainly a reasonable starting dose for me, very comfortable :), never noticed any negatives. Sounds like you just switched addictions though :\... Who likes to down kratom in the AM? I sure as hell don't but I wake up in withdrawal at least once or twice throughout the night when tolerance gets high and am forced to TnW a gram or two before I'm able to resume rest. It sucks, my body processes kratom super fast. When tolerance is high I'll be in the beginning of WD 4 hours after my last dose.

Currently though I'm on day 3 of no kratom, with the help of gabapentin and baclofen I don't even feel like I'm in withdrawal which is amazing as days 2 and 3 are usually the worst so I imagine in a couple days I'll be kratom free :). Kratom has always been an easy habit to kick but this time is remarkably easy. I'm definately gonna take a break but I'm considering quitting for a while, it feels good to not live life by the schedule and not have to plan my meals around my doses as if I take my dose on a full stomach the effects are worthless. The problem is that these gaba-ergics are just masking my GAD so when I hop off the meds I'm sure my anxiety will come back and eventually bring me back to my wonderfull medicine (kratom).
 
Kratom is more sociable and empathetic. It doesn't come close to the euphoria of proper opiates though.
 
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Definately, which is why I said 3g was a good starting dose...
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Precisely my thoughts. Going by Erowid dosing guides, it will be anything from threshold to light/common. I suspect the latter.

2 folks over on EADD recommended using yoghurt to ingest the Kratom. Sounds great to me! :D

How is appetite whilst on Kratom?

I'd like to dose around 5-6pm probably but I'd still have to squeeze a meal in before bed, especially if I hadn't eaten since lunch.
 
Some say that they get a reduced appetite from kratom but me on the other hand, kratom gives me the munchies like no other. If you smoke cannabis take a hit or two with your dose, weed and kratom mix very well and induces the strongest case of munchies ever lol. You can mix your dose with yogurt, it shouldn't be too bad at 3gs however since I usually dose 8-10gs (I have a tolerance, DON'T take these doses) the yogurt to kratom ratio isn't very good lol, I would be better off making a tea or eating it straight which IMO is easier and if done correctly tasteless compared to mixing kratom with yogurt or liquids. You should get a good feel for kratom at 3g if you have decent kratom, maybe even full effects if your sensitive like flaga.
 
While kratom is my true love <3, opiates provide a better recreational high hands down so they take the cake for a preffered recreational drug. However, opiates don't have the "barrier" that kratom has which means you can only get so high and this leads to less compulsive addiction potential because if you keep trying to raise your dose the side-effects outweigh the negatives. Also, for most the withdrawal is far less intense than opiates (though some will disagree, mostly the people who switch from stronger opies to kratom). IME kratom withdrawal is mild and lasts like 5-7 days tops with no PAWS and can be made super easy with the help of other medications/drugs so that's another plus for kratom. Also for medicinal benefits kratom is better than any opiate IMO, it may not be quite as strong of an analgesic compared to opies but kratom provides better anxiety relief, motivation, mood-lift, and is generally more functional so in the end I prefer to have a kratom dependancy though I like opiates more for recreational effects :). Btw I'm speaking for myself, ymmv...
 
^ I actually wouldn't be surprised if there's others that share our preference, however since most people on this board want what's mostt recreational and there are more opiate users than kratom users in this forum were not gonna be seeing too many people who prefer kratom. Kratom may not provide a super intense high but it has alot more to offer than opiates IMO and is less self destructive. You can't slam kratom into your veins and drift off to lala land... you can however ingest it and go on with your day with a positive state of mind.
 
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I strongly prefer it now. No nodding obviously, no myosis, no water retention, can bust nuts, not super bitchy for no reason, can shit, dont pass out at weird angles. Tons more money. I find the health and vitality i have now is incomparable - i quit smoking and drinking because i don't like them w/kratom! It's also MUCH easier to WD from. Of all the drugs ive been addicted to, this one is the most pleasant BY FAR(cept maybe weed). If i had a pile of fresh krat or a pile of poppies or refined pills, i'd take the krat. took me a while to get there, but i hate feeling emotionally disconnected, unable to pay attention and spaced into a zone where im pissed when people talk. Kratom FTW.
 
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