Captain.Heroin
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You are horribly misinformed. Mitragynine has 0.5 the potency of morphine...
*facepalm
Analogs thereof could be quite more potent than morphine; hence why he is inquiring.
You are horribly misinformed. Mitragynine has 0.5 the potency of morphine...
*facepalm
Read his post again, he said *convert* mitragynine into something 17x more potent than mitragynine... *facepalm
If you can get that extraction done right it would be worth it but it would suck to lose a whole kilo worth of product due to any mistake. How to you plan on extracting only mitragynine without pulling other alkaloids? And what exactly do you plan on converting the mitragynine into? Oxindole?
Awe, you appear so informed (talking about analogues != being able to initiate the reactions correctly). How much Kratom do I have to ingest to reach this superhuman tier of fairytale knowledge ?
Okay, then I might be the only one in this thread, who is willing to prevent a user from dying of necrosis or other complications as a consequence of unqualified laymen chemnistry...
I started out with CK when I barely found out about kratom, I saw it when I went to my local to buy a pipe years ago... trust me, while it's not totally bunk it's probably around 75% as potent as standard online plain leaf and costs an insane amount of money, btw price discussion isn't allowed so I would edit that out before you get in trouble . I can't reccomend enough that you switch to buying your kratom online, you can get like 3oz for the price of that 15g bag. Also, the main reason many kratom users are against HS products is that they get lumped in with the bath salts and synthetic cannabinoid blends when it comes to bans and this brings unnecessary attention to this lovely plant.
I'm binging on UEI today then going back to plain leaf tomorrow. I didn't notice a decrease in effectiveness when I took my four gram morning dose the other day so I don't think I've ruined plain leaf.
I think more likely I'll have raised my tolerance temporarily, but it'll come back down as I maintain one dose again for a few days or weeks. I think people think they've ruined it when they go back and notice that it's maybe not quite as effective and immediately go back to UEI, where if they held out for a few days they would get effects again.
I've noticed that after an oxy binge or a couple mg of bupe that kratom won't be quite so effective, but after three days things go back to normal. It's not as if there is something specially receptor damaging about uei that means you couldn't go back. It may take a bit, but I don't think it can actually ruin it. I know I didn't enjoy kratom while I was first withdrawing from subs, but did after a couple weeks.
Congrats man, glad to see you finally made it to the end of the tunnel... just make sure you stay clean
Would a good starting dose be around 3g on an empty stomach?
- Yeah, that is a good starting point.
Should I take it with any type of juice?
- OJ is recommended, because it masks the taste
How long does it usually last?
- depends on your personal metabolizm and eating habits. 5-20 hours, but I'd say ~7 hours is average.
And how many times can I take it per week to keep the tolerance low?
- I'd say 2 times. But less is preferred, as you won't start to integrate it in your everyday life and consume huge amounts in the end.
Edit : I have apologized to Hammilton. I did not intend to come across as a smartass (an asshole maybe, but not one, that brags with knowledge ), as I am definitely not overly knowledgable (in chemistry).
Edit2 : I think the dangers in the consumption of an opioid that has a similar potency as morphine will be similar to those accompanying morphine use. I would be surprised if, once one started using potent extracts, that it stays with once a week usage ...