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The Ketamine Discussion thread

as cliche as trying to knock some sense into busty is, (without goin into detail and making mutiple quotes) you seriously have no leg to stand on here.. you seem to purposely dodge valid points that are brought to your attention....

sometimes I think you are alot less intelligent as you try to make yourself out to be on these forums.. qualified dentist or not, you're not always right mate and I think you sometime realize this but refuse to accept the fact....

I was always under the impression that IM is a better option than IVing ketamine. The duration is longer with very little difference in intensity plus you don't have the rapid onset that sees you crash with a vein exposed.

anywho, its takes nearly half a minute to get the taste n head of into K land, you'd have to be slow as a turtle to 'crash' with a pick in ya arm.. theres plently of time to clean up n apply pressure..
 
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If you want this forum to be taken seriously as a harm reduction resource then you cannot seriously advocate IV ketamine use over IM. All this debate highlights is the trashy nature of the majority of Australia drug discussion members who think that adding a micro filter and fresh rigs makes IV use safe. It's not. It is high risk and when you are talking about a drug like ketamine, pointless.

I can understand if you are a heroin user and your tolerance is shot to shit why you would choose to IV. The intense rush is often the only way you can sedate your craving. Ketamine use is different. The rapid onset isn't really a recreational benefit as you will need to redose every 15 minutes compared to up to an hour for IM. Ketamine half life is 10-15 min so to give the impression that you can experience a k hole for half an hour is wrong.

I couldn't care less if I am the lone voice of reason here. The majority of you guys have an unhealthy needle fixation and unless someone is researching ketamine use for a fresh hospital grade vial it is grossly irresponsible to recommend IV over IM. Then again I am talking to a bunch of kids who filter shit through t shirts so why am I surprised?
 
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I couldn't care less if I am the lone voice of reason here. The majority of you guys have an unhealthy needle fixation and unless someone is researching ketamine use for a fresh hospital grade vial it is grossly irresponsible to recommend IV over IM. Then again I am talking to a bunch of kids who filter shit through t shirts so why am I surprised?

Speak for yourself busty. I know plenty of AusDD regulars that have never used a needle, or performed a CWE.

And stop putting words in people's mouth, who advocated IV K use? All I see is people explaining their experiences.
 
If you want this forum to be taken seriously as a harm reduction resource then you cannot seriously advocate IV ketamine use over IM. All this debate highlights is the trashy nature of the majority of Australia drug discussion members who think that adding a micro filter and fresh rigs makes IV use safe. It's not. It is high risk and when you are talking about a drug like ketamine, pointless.

I can understand if you are a heroin user and your tolerance is shot to shit why you would choose to IV. The intense rush is often the only way you can sedate your craving. Ketamine use is different. The rapid onset isn't really a recreational benefit as you will need to redose every 15 minutes compared to up to an hour for IM. Ketamine half life is 10-15 min so to give the impression that you can experience a k hole for half an hour is wrong.

I couldn't care less if I am the lone voice of reason here. The majority of you guys have an unhealthy needle fixation and unless someone is researching ketamine use for a fresh hospital grade vial it is grossly irresponsible to recommend IV over IM. Then again I am talking to a bunch of kids who filter shit through t shirts so why am I surprised?

thats just the thing that you seem too blind to see, none of us here have advocated IV ketamine! I dont know what gave you the impression we were as we were sheerly sharing our experiences...

by your logic, what if you were a daily K user and your tolerance was shot to shit.. n the only way you could Khole was via IV? in actual fact, theres a bloke just like that on that drugs inc. episode on K... and no, you dont need to redose every 15 minute haha, dont know where you got that from... I lost track of time when I tried it but it was around the hour mark before I could start to walk properly again

and TBH, I think IMing street drugs is just as dangerous and IVing em! alot more chance of abscess' n what not.. think about it
 
Your whole post reeks of ignorance. We are talking about ketamine, it has a completely different profile than meth or heroin. It is one of the few drugs where intramuscular route is used by medical professionals. In fact only time you could consider IV is if you have a vial, but as I have said countless times you have nothing to gain from this. The risk of abscess is far greater if you choose to IV reconstituted street powder.
 
Swim and one of his friends have been doing K quite regularly and are trying to find the best way to enter the k hole, they recently found the perfect method for the ultimate experience.

-Pick a large room
-Drink a couple of pints of beer or cider
-Build a den or tent in the middle of the floor, the den has to be enclosed but comfortable. Pillows work well on the floor. The trick is to build what may be a spaceship in your mind (this sounds immature but stick with it)
-Load up youtube and find a long video that has the sound effects of a rainstorm with thunder.
-Load another page and choose an album that is very trippy, Swim and his friend chose 'Connan Mockasin 'caramel'
-The music should bed just underneath the rainstorm
-Clothing should be just a pair of shorts or swimming trunks; they said the trunks are better as they felt free
-Snort around 400-500mg of ketamine
-Share a joint before shaking each other’s hands and then enter the den/spaceship
-Find a comfortable spot
-Swim prefers facing down with his head buried into the pillow to shut out all light, swims friend prefers looking up with the torch on his phone creating a small glare in the corner of the ship
-Relax and float away

This is one of Swims experiences, which lasted for around 30mins to 40mins

Everything went dark, the music began to muffle and effects of the rain bury into the mind.
The body begins to feel weightless and the spirit feels as if is leaving the body.
Bacteria like worms begin to crawl inside the eyelids until a visible room appears below; the world opens up as if looking down.
A slippery wall is seen in the distance as the body quickly goes towards it, you now become face to face with the wall and it appears to have slime dripping from it, black/purple slime.
The eyes stop at the surface of the wall and then the body drops vertically, the body now moves as if lying down and upside down to how you were sitting, everything stops.
The eyes open wide as if in a wooden box, the detail on the walls of the box is more than HD.
The body moves as if on an escalator and takes you to a room, you are now on a cart being pulled along.
The room you are now in appears to be a ballroom there are people dancing, a man looks at you, and he turns into a skeleton to which he ushers you on.
The skeleton evaporates and you look up as the walls fall and now see the sky, the body feels cold as if in the lonely night sky.
The body continues to move and you see a built up city below, you are amazed at what you see.
At no point are you afraid of anything you have complete contentment.
The body is pulled towards the floor very fast but as it is going to land it slows down.
After a breath you are again faced with a wall, this time it is built of crystals and you begin to float through walls, you are now in a kitchen, there are 3 women in it, one is smoking the other is cutting others hair, they are all laughing but with each other, you are just watching them.
This room changes to a social gathering, again changing to a bar, then you see a woman putting her coat on and leave a room, the door slams, you are then taken back to the universe as the images begin to slow down and you gradually find yourself back in the spaceship with complete amasement at what just happened.
You feel as if you have travelled through time and have seen how the world was built up from different atoms, you feel as if your creator is showing you 'what is'.


The music and sound effects definitely influence the trip and it feels more intense than LSD but you are completely calm.
Alcohol also plays a part as Swim tried it without any one time and nothing as enlightening happened.
Swim says it is better to be with someone else, as he needed to share his experience with his fellow traveller and vice versa.
 
If you want this forum to be taken seriously as a harm reduction resource then you cannot seriously advocate IV ketamine use over IM. All this debate highlights is the trashy nature of the majority of Australia drug discussion members who think that adding a micro filter and fresh rigs makes IV use safe. It's not. It is high risk and when you are talking about a drug like ketamine, pointless.

I can understand if you are a heroin user and your tolerance is shot to shit why you would choose to IV. The intense rush is often the only way you can sedate your craving. Ketamine use is different. The rapid onset isn't really a recreational benefit as you will need to redose every 15 minutes compared to up to an hour for IM. Ketamine half life is 10-15 min so to give the impression that you can experience a k hole for half an hour is wrong.

I couldn't care less if I am the lone voice of reason here. The majority of you guys have an unhealthy needle fixation and unless someone is researching ketamine use for a fresh hospital grade vial it is grossly irresponsible to recommend IV over IM. Then again I am talking to a bunch of kids who filter shit through t shirts so why am I surprised?

You're just repeating yourself at this stage, instead of actually addressing the rebuttals people are making. It's pretty obvious that this has nothing to do with facts or HR and everything to do with you getting off on playing the 'lone voice of reason' (which is ironic considering that you're just blindly repeating your position like a mantra instead of actually using reason to back it up). Get over yourself.
 
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Excuse me while I show these primary school kids how to do an intravenous shot of undissolved Chinese MXE using water from a toilet bowl (without a filter, and all using the same rig, of course).

Busty, your take on HR is so patronising and condescending as to be utterly redundant.
The perfect world you preach to doesn't exist; I wonder what sort of reality you think is actually out there; you seem to know scant little about it.

I bet that 'hour' you spend in a k-hole you're almost tolerable to people around you, old mate.
 
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Excuse me while I show these primary school kids how to do an intravenous shot of undissolved Chinese MXE using water from a toilet bowl (without a filter, and all using the same rig, of course).

Busty, your take on HR is so patronising and condescending as to be utterly redundant.
The perfect world you preach to doesn't exist; I wonder what sort of reality you think is actually out there; you seem to know scant little about it.

I bet that 'hour' you spend in a k-hole you're almost tolerable to people around you, old mate.

Remember to make sure they use the femoral vein, you get twice as high that way! %)
 
Fuck that! You're hitting the jugular or you're hitting the next homeward bus, ungrateful little shit.
I worked hard to steal the bread from that pensioner's handbag, motherfuck
 
Whatever, I bet you don't even get high by injecting the leftovers in needles found in hospital bins. God you're such a poseur.
 
Injecting the leftovers in needles found in hospital bins is a strong hobby of mine that I'm highly passionate about tbh.
 
Respiratory depression form K?? Never experienced that. If anything my pulse rate seems to increase and my respiratory rate seems to be the same, about 20-24 breaths per minute. MXE also seems to raise my pulse rate... or perhaps just makes me more aware of it. MXE does however seem to decrease my respiratory rate slightly at 80 mg, about 16-18 breaths per minute. 3 meo pcp makes my pulse race for sure and increases my respiratory rate. I'd never IV 3 meo pcp, pcp or 4 meo pcp. TBH IM K seems to be enough in terms of onset and effect. If duration is decreased by IVing it's loosing some of the magic for me like IV MDMA gives a short rush to nowhere.
 
That's the thing with ketamine, it is used as a anaesthetic because it is a bronchodilator, it doesn't suppress your breathing like a lot of sedatives. You also get that increase in blood pressure like a stimulant, over shoot however and you suffer hypotension and your breathing is slowed and depressed.
 
I still wanna see some examples of all these people who are allegedly dropping like flies from IV K.
 
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