The Kava and Kratom Crisis

RobotRipping said:
^i'm sure there are more than enough vendors that have stock. Still have thailand and other areas, kratom is illegal there but you don't see that stopping exportation. This is more of a concern for the US that enjoys banning as many things as they can find.
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Well I've searched quite a bit and every single online vendor in Canada seems to be out of stock right now
 
yeah looked myself, couldn't believe it. What the fuck, is it because malaysia banned exportation of kratom? can't it still ship from thailand or something? I have never once seen these CDN vendors go out of stock, any of them, it is messed up and scary for a kratom user. Thankfully i just quit so no issue here but its' going to suck for a lot of people.
 
RobotRipping said:
Dr probably just wants more people in his useless rehab program so he can pocket more money.
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^ding ding ding!

I've met quite a few "recovery" doctors in my time. If you think normal doctors can be egocentric assholes with a God complex, you should meet one of these assholes! The 3 or 4 I've met talk all about providing treatment for addiction with "compassion and respect", but they all unwaveringly believe in the "diease model of addiction" and believe that addiction needs to be treated "aggressively", which basically translates to an extremely punitive and overall "angry" treatment model at these rehabs where even a "relapse" on marijuana is treated like a major crisis situation that needs to be treated like a small pox outbreak!

Yeah, Kratom and Kava are "devastating" the recovery communities in West Palm and Del Ray Beach, the US capital of over-priced rehabs run by assholes like this guy!

I was detoxing from a four year heroin habit and the doctor that ran the rehab I was in wouldn't even allow me to take fucking Benadryl to help get to sleep at night because it's a mind-altering substance that triggers the "addiction" in my brain....

The film all these smug fuck doctors masturbate to every night is a film called "The Hijacked Brain"....they show it to families of addicts, the addicts themselves...It's basically the excuse they use to treat you as a second class human-being that can't be trusted because, "Your brain is hijacked!"....

Addiction is not so black and white at all, drugs make make changes to your brain chemistry that increases your compulsion to use them but every individual case is still different. These recovery guru Docs have basically "Frankensteined" together a bunch of scientific and spiritual theories that best help them push their agenda. It's amazing the credibility these people are given because it's laughable compared to true un-biased scientific study....
 
I would love to hear what this radical doctor has to say about other addictions. It's my belief that most anything can become an addiction. Money & power seem to be the most consequential addictions that lead people into an array of asshole behavior. I don't know much about kava, but Kratom is not what this doctor makes it out to be. It is addictive, but nothing relative to oxy's or morphine or any true traditional opiate. I have personally been addicted to both, opiates and Kratom and Kratom is a wimp compared to say vicodin, which is a light opiate compared to oxy's.

Back to the money and power thing. It seems that only rehab doctors and silly libtard politicions want this leaf banned which leads me to believe that theirs some money envolved as far as kickbacks are concerned . They rely solely on the fact that people are very misinformed or not informed at all so that they can pass their agenda and get some cash flow. This is a practice that is becoming more and more popular. This doc knows that Kratom is excellent for detox which puts him out of buisiness to a small degree. He's got to get it banned so people will have to come to him. It's a prime example of how his addiction to money and power rules his life and his choices in life. Just like any other addiction except his addiction will affect a much larger crowd of people than just his immediate family and friends.

To the doctor and people that think like this doctor I must say, I was born an INDIVIDUAL and if I want to enjoy my life I should have that right to do it however the Fuck I choose. I'm a peaceful person as are most people that enjoy good drugs. I'm not sick, I'm probably healthier than this hipocrit doctor. I'm not violent at all and actually hate violence or unjustifiable violence. I'm very successful and know my job better than this asshole knows his. America has too many laws and regulations as it is and its people do not need a nanny or anyone to tell them what to do as the people built this country, not politicians or retarded doctors that are hung up on what drugs people are doing.

Finally, I'd like to say that we all have problems and addictions of some sort. It's not always drug related but its our jobs as individuals to help ourselves. I personally believe that all drugs should be legal. Who are you to tell me what I can or can not put in my dam body. Your just another person, with problems, trying to get your jollies off on telling others what to do. It's a power thing, I understand. Please don't tell me that one person's drug problem can kill another. I've seen and heard of people's money problem kill much much more. So with all that said Id like to take this opportunity to say to the Doc, FUCK YOU!!!
 
RobotRipping said:
yeah looked myself, couldn't believe it. What the fuck, is it because malaysia banned exportation of kratom? can't it still ship from thailand or something? I have never once seen these CDN vendors go out of stock, any of them, it is messed up and scary for a kratom user. Thankfully i just quit so no issue here but its' going to suck for a lot of people.
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It does suck! Well I read on some site that 95% of kratom exported comes from Borneo in Indonesia. And the government placed a ban on exports.

Anyhow I ran out today and have to work all week so good luck to me.
 
Ugh this makes me sick. I have been on klonopin for five years. I can't seem to break the habit. I order some kava kava. I'm tired of being dependent on a benzo....I'm so sick of this crap. Let people heal.
 
LogicSoDeveloped said:
My state is banning it within the month :/ This is why we can't have nice things. Kratom is such a wonderful thing but stupid gas stations around here started selling it in concentrated shots behind the counter and as a result, the cops found out about it.
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I blame it all on gas stations, n cops. Also gas station cops. Soon as they realize we are getting this stuff, they ban it. WTF thanks nanny state.
 
tkarr said:
It does suck! Well I read on some site that 95% of kratom exported comes from Borneo in Indonesia. And the government placed a ban on exports.

Anyhow I ran out today and have to work all week so good luck to me.
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well that would explain it, the CDN vendors order serious amounts of stock and if they are out, there's no doubt in my mind that US vendors will soon be out as well, until they find a way around this issue, if they do. There'd be no reason to even ban kratom in this case because no one will have it anyway. Kratom has no value in a black market. This is probably really shitty for kratom farmers as well. I know some vendors grow domestic kratom but that certainly would not supply North America as a whole.

^when i grow up i want to be a gas station cop
 
Glad I'm off kratom for the most part. Don't want to have a repeat of the poppy pod crackdown when I was forced to quit cold turkey after 3 years of daily use!

The idea of banning plants is beyond ludicrous. No one deserves to lose their freedom over a fucking plant. We're allowed (encouraged, really) to kill ourselves with junk food, alcohol, tobacco and hundreds of hazardous chemicals but can't use certain plants because "they're dangerous".

Dangerous to whom?
 
to big pharma, to everyone who makes money in the war on drugs, including rehab centers, clinics, Drs, the prison industry, law enforcement.... so many people. Not physically dangerous of course, but something that is dangerous either politically or monetarily must be outlawed!

the idea of banning anything limits freedom and freedom is not freedom with limits IMO. The whole system is fucked unless of course you are on the winning end of capitalism, in which case, everything is perfect.
 
Anyway who hasn't read 1984 should read it. Anyway for those that have read it, the drug war reminds me of the "fake wars" that the countries would fight just to keep citizens in a war-like mentality. America may pretend to not like war but were currently in 2 military wars, a war on drugs, a war on poverty, a war on obesity, etc.
 
^don't forget the War on Lebron

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23536 said:
^don't forget the War on Lebron

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I still say Oklahoma got screwed with the knee surugery but if one player besides Kevin Durant and if russel was one of the only one's holding up my team than I guess they deserve to lose to a sorry team like memphis. No offence to anybody in TN
 
I chugged my glass of kava kava and it works....I am really dizzy right now but I hope the euphoia kicks in.
 
I love it how he mentions that if you take extract that's in an alcohol base, you'll get physically dependent on alcohol as well....If you were drinking liters of extract with grain alcohol, I guess....He just threw that in there to make it sound even worse...
 
BlueHues said:
I love it how he mentions that if you take extract that's in an alcohol base, you'll get physically dependent on alcohol as well....If you were drinking liters of extract with grain alcohol, I guess....He just threw that in there to make it sound even worse...
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You are correct sir....When you do an alkaloid extraction you evaporate most if not all of the alcohol anyways. I hate when someone doesnt agree with someone else's lifestyle and do all they can to put an end to it if they're in a seat of power or know someone who is. That to me is a mental addiction to having control over others, an addiction with no physical reason why just means you're fucking crazy.I suppose it gives him a sense of self-worth and satisfaction . I will admit kratom has the potential to be abused on as does and other substance on earth. Ill be a die-hard kratom supporter until i die. This " wonder drug" helped me kick a three year habit with pharmaceutical opiates. I don't know if the trade off is better, one drug for another
but at the least i can control my consumption and its a hell of a lot cheaper! I will tell you that kratom can and will fuck you up like a fist fight with chuck norris. I'm pretty fucking twisted ( its almost exactly like a high you'd get off of a handful of percosets). Mines just now kicking in.... I will say that ascorbic acid ( vitamin c ) as in lemon juice and/calcium carbonate in (tums) DOES potentiate the effects rather well. Its honestly been over two years since I've had a high this good, I'm glad I'm laying down and just letting the " high tide" wash over my body. ( that's what i call when your high hits you in waves, pretty cool right?) The only downside is slight nausea and I have a little trouble looking at this screen because its a tad bit difficult to focus my vision on one spot. My fucking 1 inch cell phone screen isn't helping either. Almost time to buy a new phone :) All in all, after my rant, I can comfortably say that, that doctor can go suck bigfoots dick through a chain-link fence while he puts cornrows in his hairy bush!!! Kratom is an awesome little plant that should be widely available to anyone who wants it. I swear to Oprah that if he tries to take it from me, I will fuck his daughter while he watches and jacks off with his tears. Then ill wipe my spooge on his wifes wedding dress. That is all.
The end...... for now
 
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