The Holocaust

[Psychedelic Gleam]

The majority of my family died, or "vanished" due to the holocaust... Maybe they forgot to let me in on the Jewish conspiracy to trick everyone about it happening?

 

[Zero the hero]

The reason I remain skeptical of holocaust claims is that there is debate over what happened.

What is it exactly that you remain "skeptical" about?

Contrary to popular belief, the holocaust was not all about Jews - Hitler's main goal was military expansion and ethnic cleansing was his political strategy to rile up the masses in Germany.

You obviously have no idea what the term “holocaust” actually refers to do you? To "rile up the masses in Germany" was his “main reason for “ethnic cleansing was it? Really? You back this up with what?

What about the FACT that the primary victims (by far) of the holocaust were Jews? The primary focus of extermination by the Nazis was Jews. What group made up over half of all those murdered? What specific group were the nazi's referring to when they spoke of "the final solution"? What group of people was it that they (the Nazis) were so bent on exterminating that even at the very end of the war desperately required resources were diverted away from the front so the extermination of Jews could continue?

Why would a leader bent on world domination suddenly kill off his workforce?

Because of his sheer unreasonable and insane hatred for the Jews perhaps? By the way, it was the Slav's and NOT the Jews who were to be Germanys slave workforce, the Jews were originally to be deported somewhere far from Europe.

By the way, I liked the way you cut and pasted one small two-paragraph segment from that article highlighting only the functionalists’ points of view, while totally ignoring the intentionalists side of this debate. Nice…

The point is, the stupidly simple story we are all taught in school about the holocaust is a fiction. Hitler was evil, and millions of Jews were killed. But most people just gloss over the details.

How is this "story" "stupidly simple"? Please explain this remark in detail? Please explain exactly how the Holocaust is “a fiction” and what “details” have been ”glossed over”?

Have you read Mien Kampf? I have, and what I found was that HEAPS of this book deals with Hitler’s personal hatred of the Jews, in fact, the most repeated word in the entire book is the word Jew. What I don’t get is why it even matters if the original nazi plan for the Jews wasn’t annihilation? It evolved into that didn’t it? So, knowing this, what the fuck is your point?

And that is the interesting thing.....people don't really know much about the holocaust except that "six million jews were killed." Thus whenever somebody mentions israel without praising it, they are called an anti-semite.

That’s a completely untrue sweeping generalization of which you have zero proof of. By the way, what do you figure makes YOU such an authority on the topic?

For some reason, in the United states, Israel is our best friend in the world. Why is that? It's because Israel is a client state, and a convenient place to have a military ally in the most energy rich region in the world. You think we didn't know that when the lines were drawn up after the war??

I think you just answered you own rhetorical (and pointless) question.

And so now whatever Israel does...it's perfectly fine because, "they deserve respect because six million jews were killed."

“Perfectly fine” to who exactly? Where and who are all these people who claim this? Who are they? Jews? Americans? Germans? Who? In other words, just another unsubstantiated generalization that you have absolutely no proof of (unless of coarse you do, and if so, please, feel free to present it as I’d be very interested to see it).

Israel has a massive lobby in washington...and the United States is constantly shipping new weapons to the israeli army. Israel has a secret nuclear arsenal, and a government with radical elements.

All this for just a tiny little strip of land. You have to ask yourself, "why?"

Again, you’ve already answered your own pointless, rhetorical question.

It is your ignorance of history that makes you say "take your anti-Semitic rubbish and fuck off asshole."

No, what makes me say that is listening to your anti-Semitic rubbish…

 

[Diacetylus]

The reason everyone focuses on Jews is because Jews were the focus of Hitler's "final solution." His rhetoric focused mainly on Jews, and over half of those killed were Jewish - the remaining half was pretty well divvied up, so no one group came anywhere near the deathcount of the Jews. Another factor in it is that anti-semitic persecution is still pretty rampant in the world. How often do you hear about people hating Catholics, gypsies, or the disabled?

When it comes down to it, yes, it's kind of insensitive to pretty much ignore every other demographic that was heavily affected by the Holocaust, but when it comes down to it, Jews *did* bear the brunt of the situation.

It still doesn't answer his question though. According to all White Nationalists (even ones of today) Gays, Communists, Jews... they're all the same! All of them strongly oppose the White Nationalist cause and, according to the fascist taint our society in a negative way.

And so what? Theres still alot of persecutions against Muslims, gays and Chrisitians.
I too would also like to know where the other 5 million survivors of the Holocaust are.

I don't hold anything against Jews in any way (although I'm not particularly fond of Zionists), however the lack of documentation and other evidence doesn't add up. Why is the Holocaust such a sensitive issue when someone publicly denies it? It's alright for historians to openly deny other historic tragedies, so why the heck not the Holocaust?
Also, why isn't there any "Prussian Blue" (byproduct of Zyklon B) in the concentration camps?
Alot of this just doesn't add up.

 

[redeemer]

Also, why isn't there any "Prussian Blue" (byproduct of Zyklon B) in the concentration camps?

This took me about 10 seconds to find with Google. You should really try to get a more balanced view than that offered solely by Holocaust-deniers.

Please take your time to read this site and then come back to us with your remaining non-refuted arguments.

 

[Judas]

There really is more to learn about the Holocaust... when is any event in history so complete that further study is not necessary? But the way it currently stands, the Holocaust being such a sensitive issue, it really stigmatizes the search for the truth of what happened. I am not a Holocaust denier or anything of the sort. I just find it strange that this topic is not as open to dabate within academia as it should be.

 

[Manifespo]

I too wonder Judas. The Holocaust has been shoved in my face since I was a baby. Ask any American to name the biggest tragedy of all time- they'll probably say the Holocaust, and name Hitler as the most evil.

Why is it CRIMINAL to inquire into the truth of what happened behind German lines?

Were there even 6 million Jews in Germany?

Why is the Holocaust a new religion in America?
As a predominantly Christian nation, why don't we use taxpayer money to build shrines for the 60+ million CHRISTIANS killed by jewish/zionist communism(schiff warburg lenin stalin trotsky)?

Before ShillZero chimes in with "SEE HES AN ANTISEMITE HOLOCAUST DENIER!!"
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I just want to make clear that I care for nothing but the truth, however ugly that may be. I have no agenda but exposing evil. I shudder at the horror of war and all its trappings. I pray for all the departed souls.

My only goal in searching is to help prevent further massacres.

I can't understand why Eisenhower, Churchill, nor de Gaulle mention ONE WORD OF NAZI GAS CHAMBERS.

Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill's The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.

Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war.

 

[Manifespo]

The free speech & intellectual freedom guarantee enshrined in the First Amendment to the US Constitution is not only what distinguishes America from Europe, but insures that while some countries may prosecute politically incorrect thinking, we will continue to have a marketplace of ideas for as long as we remain vigilant for the sake of our Liberties.

 

[ebola?]

>>jewish/zionist communism>>

You're pretty confused.

ebola

 

[protovack]

As long as jews are perceived as victims, the corrupt state of israel will continue to get away with subjugating the middle east for its own ends. They do this by continually reinforcing anti-palestinian mythology, which supports the zionist ideologies of radical groups in israel bent on destroying islam.

The holocaust was a terrible event, but it should NEVER be used by jews as an excuse for racist anti-arab sentiment....

 

[Zero the hero]

I too wonder Judas. The Holocaust has been shoved in my face since I was a baby. Ask any American to name the biggest tragedy of all time- they'll probably say the Holocaust, and name Hitler as the most evil.

Has it been “shoved” in your face? Poor baby…8)

You obviously no little about the Holocaust other than what you skim from crap written by hate filled revisionists. Let’s see, America has a significant Jewish population, many survivors and considering that one third of all the Jews on Earth were killed during the Holocaust not many Jewish families anywhere in the world were left untouched in some way. So, it’s really not that much of a stretch to see why you might hear allot about it. How about the fact that the Holocaust was unique as a genocide in method, planning and execution, nothing even close has happened before or since. I could go on but I don’t really see the point, you want to know more look at the endless amount of literature available on this topic yourself.

In so far as Hitler being “evil”, hmm…Lets see a man who attempted to eliminate an entire people? A man who started a war in which 60 million people died? I don’t know what YOU’RE idea of evil is but…

Why is it CRIMINAL to inquire into the truth of what happened behind German lines?

It’s not, historians are CONSTANTLEY debating the Holocaust, how it happened , why it happened, who’s responsible, etc, they’re just not debating IF it (the Holocaust)actually happened. Have you ever though about WHY that is-putting aside your ridiculous conspiracy theories? Is it possibly because it’s so well established that any discussion about IF it actually happened is simply pointless?

Were there even 6 million Jews in Germany?

Well, this sentence about sums up your knowledge of the Holocaust…8)

Why is the Holocaust a new religion in America?

How is it a “new religion” exactly? Please explain?

As a predominantly Christian nation, why don't we use taxpayer money to build shrines for the 60+ million CHRISTIANS killed by jewish/zionist communism(schiff warburg lenin stalin trotsky)?

Wow… how do you even begin to respond to something like that…?

I can't understand why Eisenhower, Churchill, nor de Gaulle mention ONE WORD OF NAZI GAS CHAMBERS.

Perhaps its because their writings deal with the war and not the extermination of the Jews, which had virtually no consequence on the war or its ultimate out come (especially in the west). Perhaps they felt guilty for their lack of action? Who knows (I certainly don’t) though I’d just love to hear what totally rational reasons I’m sure you could come up with as to why that may have been the case?

Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill's The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found.

Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war.

Can I make a suggestion to you? When ever reprint something from someone else’s work VER BATUM you usually SITE that persons work, or at the very least you could put quotations around it so other people don’t just assume it’s your work. Take, for example, the two paragraphs found above, they were written by revisionist Robert Faurisson and are taken from www.rense.com (snicker) ver batum.

I love the reliable sources you get your information from…8)

Seriously man aren’t you embarrassed? Is this really where you get your information on the Holocaust from? What else have you read on the subject of the Holocaust? What authors, books, articles, etc? Well? Or are websites like this and a few revisionist papers as far as you’ve gone? Please, do tell us…

Before ShillZero chimes in with "SEE HES AN ANTISEMITE HOLOCAUST DENIER!!"

I just want to make clear that I care for nothing but the truth, however ugly that may be.

Yes, “shill Zero” “disinformationalist” and Mossad agent…
8)
What “truth” would that be exactly? Perhaps that the Jews orchestrated the Holocaust themselves? That they lied about it? That it never happened? That this is all part of their plan for world domination? Hmm…sounds familiar…

I have no agenda but exposing evil.

What “evil” would that be? The “evil” spread by the lying Jew bent on world domination? Well? Explain…

My only goal in searching is to help prevent further massacres.

How, by spreading the same suspicion and hatred that made the Holocaust possible in the first place? Great plan…

 

[johnmortons]

Were there even 6 million Jews in Germany?

seriously, your lack of knowledge is appaling. nobody every claimed all the murdered jews lived in germany. the majority of those killed was in eastern europe i.e. poland, hungary, the soviet union etc.

what an embarrassement your posts are

I have no agenda but exposing evil.

exposing? you can't even get the most basic facts right. what a joke

Why would a leader bent on world domination suddenly kill off his workforce?

yea, that's what the people in the ghettos' reassurred themselves with, read the published diaries, you'll find plenty of exactly this reasoning... didn't help them in the end. hitler did so because he perceived the world in a strictly dualist way: absolute good (aryan race) against absolute evil (jews)... the fiercer the war got, the more convinced he became that to win the war, he had to take the most radical measures to get rid of all those allegedly destructive parasites in his domain, i.e. the millions of jews in germany and the conquered territories. moreover, when he realized germany was losing the war, it became an obsession of his to at least kill the jews he could get his hands on, so as to punish them for their alleged crimes in germany (ridiculous accusations like making germany lose the first world war, weakening germany during the second), to punish their alleged co-conspirators in "jewish-bolshevist russia" and "jewish-plutocratic america" and to make a re-emergence of nazi germany in the future possible by killing off its alleged main antagonist.

in addition, there were a number of factors, such as that the radicalisation of anti-jewish policy was partly driving itself, with local, regional and national leaders "working towards the fuehrer" by ever increasing the pressure and radicalism so as to advance their own careers.

what is more, there was plenty, plenty of non-jewish forced labour available, so he did not just 'kill off his workforce', only part of it. and although the killing was an elaborate, resource-consuming operation, there was also enormous loot to be made (just look at the veritable factories in auschwitz extracting gold-teeth, sifting through robbed baggage (often containing the most valuable possessions of those deported to be killed), and working those to death who hadn't been killed outright.

 

[Diacetylus]

See, I don't get why it is a such a touchy subject when someone denies claims of the Holocaust. The fact of the matter is, not many of us were around at the time the Holocaust went on. So, no matter how many Historians we have that tell us it occured (like so many other historical tragedies), we will never know the complete accuracy.
I have a right to not believe something I am told or taught and fuck you for saying otherwise. I don't get why if I refuse to believe the accuracies of the Holocaust it is dubbed "Hate-crime". and how some people even get locked up for trying to disprove what happened. What the fuck happened to freedom? These people are getting locked up for "thought-crime". Lol!

 

[redeemer]

See, I don't get why it is a such a touchy subject ...

Touchy subject? We don't get angered because it's the holocaust but because you come in here with some info you read on some random website that you haven't even bothered to check elsewhere. I refuted an argument of yours with a 10-second search on Google! Why didn't you do that yourself?

I get that you think the idea of a major historic being false is interesting, as would I, but please do the proper reseach before stating what you perceive as facts.

I don't get why if I refuse to believe the accuracies of the Holocaust it is dubbed "Hate-crime".

I'm not dubbing you a racist, I merely think you're uninformed.

... and how some people even get locked up for trying to disprove what happened.

That's the discussion of another thread, refer to this.

 

[Diacetylus]

Touchy subject? We don't get angered because it's the holocaust but because you come in here with some info you read on some random website that you haven't even bothered to check elsewhere. I refuted an argument of yours with a 10-second search on Google! Why didn't you do that yourself?

Eh? A 10 second google search will also give me results of people being molested by Extra-terestrials too. But, that don't necessarily make it fucking so.
And... it's not just some random info from a site, this is a heated discussion that is brought up in colleges, interviews, documentaries and many, many documents. I'm not even completely denying the Holocaust occured. I'm just saying that alot of what has been said happened just doesn't seem to add up.

I'm not dubbing you a racist, I merely think you're uninformed.

Great. As I think millions of others to be. That's one of my points... in this case, we're really all uninformed. Of course, unless we were there to experience the Holocaust ourselves.

That's the discussion of another thread, refer to this

Thanks for referring me to another thread. It may not be completely relevant, as you see it. But, I was just merely trying to point out how sensitivite the issue is when brought up in public.

 

[johnmortons]

I was just merely trying to point out how sensitivite the issue is

if you understood just how sensitive this issue is, and why, you would have taken the time to do some proper historical research instead of reveling in your right to 'doubt' what are, in their essentials, historical facts.

don't be surprised if you get flamed by people who understand the full horror and gravity of the industrialised mass murder that happened only a few decades ago, and get pissed off if someone doesnt take the time to do proper research.

And... it's not just some random info from a site, this is a heated discussion that is brought up in colleges, interviews, documentaries and many, many documents.

nonsense, there is NO serious discussion among professional historians as to whether the holocaust happened or not. it's simply an established fact and the evidence is overwhelming.

seriously, if you want to talk about industrialised genocide, you shouldn't be relying on 10 second google searches anyway.

 

[Mona Lisa]

I think it's going to be another case of history inevitably repeating itself -- that the upcoming generations are going to start questioning whether the holocaust even happened (or at least happened on the scale it did). Something else will eventually happen; maybe not to Jews but some other group will become equally persecuted. I think is growing tension between Christians and Muslims, for instance.

Take Iran and Israel for example...

My grandfather's nurse was an Aushwitz survivor and had a number tattooed onto her arm. It happened!

This bigotry saddens me but I think more and more that it's human nature to look after our own, so bigotry and prejudice will always be with us in some form because we fear what we don't understand.

 

[citykiddy]

My grandfather escaped Eastern Europe right before the Holocaust, and his mother and family stayed. They were all killed. It amazes me that people can be so ignorant and foolish as to believe that the Holocaust has been played up. Both sets of my grandparents have close relatives that were killed during the Holocaust.

Who cares that more people talk about 6 million Jews dying than the other 6 million who were killed? If people think that is unfair, then they should go out and tell the story of the other 6 million.

 

[Diacetylus]

if you understood just how sensitive this issue is, and why, you would have taken the time to do some proper historical research instead of reveling in your right to 'doubt' what are, in their essentials, historical facts.

Why are you keep on saying I haven't taken the time to do any research into the matter? Alot of the bullshit I was taught in school regarding the Holocaust conflicts with other Historian's accounts. You are aware there is more than one Historian? There are plenty... especially in regards to the Holocaust.

I have read alot into the Holocaust, and most of what I read doesn't match with any other accounts. First you're told in school that it was 6 million Jews, you read it was 2 million Jews from a website, it *might* have been 3 million, but much likely less says a documentary on the History channel.
They never match!

You can't tell me that Jewish people haven't benefited today from what did occur in the Holocaust. I will try and dig it up later, but I was reading something about Jews of today wanting compensation for what their families went through back in WWII. Do you think if the Holocaust didn't occur, that the Jews would have as much of an influence in American/Australian politics and media as they do in this current moment?
Do you think America would have helped fund the Zionist occupation in Palestine to gain their homeland that is today Israel?

don't be surprised if you get flamed by people who understand the full horror and gravity of the industrialised mass murder that happened only a few decades ago, and get pissed off if someone doesnt take the time to do proper research.

I could care less what people think of me here, just for questioning history. Over the past there have been many innacuracies recorded about what happened in history and they are later brought to light through speculation, which leads to more investigation and finally evidence. You think I'm going to believe something just because most people are brainwashed to believe what is *true* and what is not, back in highschool?
Now again, I am not completely denying what happened. All I am saying is that unless you were there and experienced the true horror of what was the Holocaust, we don't know exactly what the fuck happened there.

Tell me, what exactly is "proper research"? Picking up a text-book and reading about WWII? Heh. Reading up on the Holocaust on a pro-Israel site? I have done all of this... even on wikipedia.org it says that there is much speculation and denial in the professional world regarding the Holocaust.
One has a right to revise history. If we can't do this... we will NEVER know the truth about anything.

it's simply an established fact and the evidence is overwhelming.

Established? By who, the pro-Zionist Historians? What is your definition of evidence? A few "survivors".

seriously, if you want to talk about industrialised genocide, you shouldn't be relying on 10 second google searches anyway

Who here said I have been relying on 10 second google searches? You are wrong... the other guy that was attacking me told me to do a 10 second Google search to get my "evidence".

 

[citykiddy]

<You can't tell me that Jewish people haven't benefited today from what did occur in the Holocaust.>


Wow... It is really scary that people feel this way. This is exactly why Jews constantly remember the Holocaust. Because there are so many assholes who think the Holocaust was a good thing. It's sickening really. I dont know a single Jew who has gotten compensated. How can money make up for the loss of your family? It is pretty goddamn sickening.

 

[Zero the hero]

See, I don't get why it is a such a touchy subject when someone denies claims of the Holocaust.

Duh...I dunno, why'd ya think...?

The fact of the matter is, not many of us were around at the time the Holocaust went on. So, no matter how many Historians we have that tell us it occurred (like so many other historical tragedies), we will never know the complete accuracy.

Of course not but, we have countless original documents and the hundred of thousands of testimonies from those who WERE there and took part.

I have a right to not believe something I am told or taught and fuck you for saying otherwise.

Disbelieve all you want but at least have a valid reason for doing so, when you don't(like now say) you look like a fool.

I don't get why if I refuse to believe the accuracies of the Holocaust it is dubbed "Hate-crime".

It's not, denying it ever happened and is all one big Jewish conspiracy IS though, you mean you can't see why that might be?

…and how some people even get locked up for trying to disprove what happened. What the fuck happened to freedom? These people are getting locked up for "thought-crime". Lol!

I take it you're referring to David Irving (being the worlds most notorious "revisionist" I take it he is one of your main sources of information?) being jailed in Austria for denying the Holocaust? Yeah, that's surprising, I can't see why it would be illegal to deny the holocaust there...8) You know what the funniest thing is? This is what he said before sentencing "I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz"? Even your hero admits he was wrong! Ha ha!

Never mind though, you don't have to worry, it's not illegal to deny the Holocaust in your country, so go for your life. Seriously mate, are you so fucking simple that you can’t see why claiming a group of people orchestrated an event like this as part of their grand scheme to enslave humanity might stir up hatred against them? What the fuck do you think has fueled anti-Semitism over the years? Shit like that is what.

Why are you keep on saying I haven't taken the time to do any research into the matter?

Because it’s painfully obvious that you haven’t…

Alot of the bullshit I was taught in school regarding the Holocaust conflicts with other Historian's accounts.

What other SERIOUS historians “accounts” would you be referring to here? Names, sources please? What “bullshit” are you referring to in this paragraph? Just including the word “bullshit” in a sentence doesn’t mean anything to the reader, expand on that please…

You are aware there is more than one Historian? There are plenty... especially in regards to the Holocaust.

Yes, there are thousands in fact, and no SERIOUS historian denies the Holocaust happened on the scale it did.

I have read alot into the Holocaust…

It’s SO apparent that you haven’t I’m actually embarrassed for you…

…and most of what I read doesn't match with any other accounts…

Most? Well, that’s interesting? Again, perhaps you’d care to provide SEVERAL examples of this then? Better yet, why don’t you just provide ALL your sources that support this statement?

First you're told in school that it was 6 million Jews, you read it was 2 million Jews from a website, it *might* have been 3 million, but much likely less says a documentary on the History channel. They never match!

Which websites would those be? Which documentary was it? Links to ALL of these sources please?

"They never match!" Really? I find that generally, the numbers individual historians give usually match pretty well? Listen slappy, almost all SERIOUS historians will put the number of Jews murdered by the Nazi's at between 5-6 million. Obviously there is going to be slight discrepancies in the numbers (for obvious reason even YOU can probably figure out, if not just ask me and I’ll explain it to you.).

You can't tell me that Jewish people haven't benefited today from what did occur in the Holocaust.

SO FUCKING WHAT! What does that prove exactly? Nothing. Please, share with the class, you said it, now please defend it and explain what this PROVES, why it proves this and where you got this PROOF from?

…I will try and dig it up later, but I was reading something about Jews of today wanting compensation for what their families went through back in WWII.

The German Government has paid out billions over the last five decades in compensation for Nazi persecution, and rightfully so, don’t you think? You see, the people they’ve paid this money to are SURVIVOURS, that is, they were persecuted by the Nazis and survived. Now if there are families out there that have a survivor or a deceased survivor in the family let’s say, that’s never received any compensation, then by all means, they fucking deserve some don’t you think? It hardly concerns YOU anyway, so why the fuck do YOU care so much?

Do you think if the Holocaust didn't occur, that the Jews would have as much of an influence in American/Australian politics and media as they do in this current moment?

What does it matter? Your question’s completely irrelevant. Listen, allot of different groups have influence in politics, though for some odd reason, it’s just the Jews that get singled out in this way (ever given any thought as to why that might be-idiot?). For example, what about the religious right, the tobacco lobby, the NRA-for fuck sake-etc? Well?

I could care less what people think of me here…just for questioning history.

Spoken like a true “revisionist”…

You think I'm going to believe something just because most people are brainwashed to believe what is *true* and what is not, back in highschool?

Back in high school? You mean last year? Talk about being “brain washed” (snicker)…Let’s see here, you have thousands of original German documents concerning the Holocaust, the numbers, camp records, the testimonies of hundreds of thousands of survivors, perpetrators, participants and eyewitnesses, and the single most documented, researched historical event of ALL fucking time-with hundreds of historians over the years coming to virtually the same conclusions- yet, you don’t believe any of that. Instead, you throw all this information and research out the window and believe the information you get from where exactly? A few quack revisionist websites!? And we’re the one's who are brainwashed!? That’s fucking hilarious! Give it some thought genius…8)

Now again, I am not completely denying what happened. All I am saying is that unless you were there and experienced the true horror of what was the Holocaust, we don't know exactly what the fuck happened there.

Well, if you’re not denying it, what are you doing then? Please, why don’t you give us YOUR version of events then? Like, what happened? Why it happened? Did it even happen at all? Why today’s “version” of the Holocaust is inaccurate, etc. Come on then, start “exposing the Jewish lies”. Please don’t forget to include all your sources of information.

By the way, one doesn’t need to witness an event to know what happened, you see, the Holocaust isn’t something that hasn’t been well documented, in fact-like I’ve said previously-it’s the single most studied historical event in the history of mankind (yeah, for real). I’ve talked to MANY survivors personally since I was a child, I guess they’re all “in on it” too then (Yes, the poor, gullible Goy I am...)?

Tell me, what exactly is "proper research"? Picking up a text-book and reading about WWII? Heh. Reading up on the Holocaust on a pro-Israel site? I have done all of this...

You have “done all of this” “research” have you? Oh yeah… So discounting the volumes of reliable information you’ve supposedly read on the subject, what information do you have on the contrary to disprove that information? Again, don’t forget to include your sources please.

Just thought I’d mention that I love the way you surrounded the words “proper research” with magic finger quotes! Just when I was convinced that you couldn’t make yourself look anymore ridiculous then you have already when-surprise! You did! The answer to your question dumb-ass, is yes, try reading one of the THOUSANDS of books concerning the Holocaust or some of the THOUSANDS of papers written by REPUTABLE historians about it.

Established? By who, the pro-Zionist Historians?

Ah yes, well this proves you’re right doesn’t it? Because every Jew that has ever written anything on the topic of the Holocaust are all pro-Zionists, and therefore can’t be trusted…

What is your definition of evidence? A few "survivors".

Original documents, researched text, academic papers (and yes-surprise!), the testimonies of those who were there like survivors, perpetrators and participants and eye witnesses (of which there have been hundreds of thousands) because there’s plenty of there testimonies available too (oh yeah, we can discount those last two though because we know all their “confessions” were given under duress (torture) right?), etc…

Again, with magic finger quotes? Seriously, dude, doing that just makes you look like an
idiot. There are hundreds of thousands of “survivors” in the world today (dumb-ass), or, are there…? *Rubs chin-tilts head slightly and narrows eyes-sinister music begins to play in background*…

…even on wikipedia.org it says that there is much speculation and denial in the professional world regarding the Holocaust.

No it doesn’t, I thought it actually said this-

Holocaust denial, also called Holocaust revisionism, is the belief that the Holocaust did not occur, or, more specifically: that far fewer than around six million Jews were killed by the Nazis (numbers below one million, most often around 30,000 are typically cited); that there never was a centrally-planned Nazi attempt to exterminate the Jews; and/or that there were not mass killings at the extermination camps. Those who hold this position often further claim that Jews and/or Zionists know that the Holocaust never occurred, yet that they are engaged in a massive conspiracy to maintain the illusion of a Holocaust to further their political agenda. As the Holocaust is generally considered by historians to be one of the best documented events in recent history, these views are not accepted as credible by scholars, with organizations such as the American Historical Association, the largest society of historians in the United States, stating that Holocaust denial is "at best, a form of academic fraud.".

Holocaust deniers almost always prefer to be called Holocaust revisionists. Most scholars contend that the latter term is misleading. Historical revisionism is a well-accepted and mainstream part of the study of history; it is the reexamination of accepted history, with an eye towards updating it with newly discovered, more accurate, and/or less biased information, or viewing known information from a new perspective. In contrast, Holocaust deniers typically willfully misuse or ignore historical records in order to attempt to prove their conclusions, as Gordon McFee writes:

'Revisionists' depart from the conclusion that the Holocaust did not occur and work backwards through the facts to adapt them to that preordained conclusion. Put another way, they reverse the proper methodology [...], thus turning the proper historical method of investigation and analysis on its head.

Public Opinion Quarterly summarized that: "No reputable historian questions the reality of the Holocaust, and those promoting Holocaust denial are overwhelmingly anti-Semites and/or neo-Nazis,".

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust

Well, I’m just dying to hear your response to all the questions I’ve asked you. No? I didn’t think so…