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The Holocaust

mmm reminds of the good ol' days with 666isMoney...

Its incredible how hateful people can be towards a decentralized religious movement, of which the majority of members have nothing to do with politics/media/money...

Its also interesting how every crime by a Jew is labeled a Jewish crime by these hate mongers but every crime by average joe white guy is just a "crime" not a "christian" crime.
 
OK - not all banks and media outlets are jewish owned. True.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Jews. I just know too much about the Israeli - palestinian conflict.

EDIT: That outbust I made earlier was out of frustration. It pisses me off that the coverage of the palestinian - Israeli conflict is usually biased to favour the state of Israel. Only very rarely does a reporter manage to hear the palestinian side of the story and the reporters often risk their lives doing so.

On reconsidering this, I won't let myself discriminate against people with a jewish identity although I don't particulary like what the recent governments of Israel have done. Whinge over.

ZTH - I can see I pissed you off with what I said and I'm sorry - it wasn't meant that way.

At the same time - there is no excuse for treating others the way you are. With each ad-hom remark, you are fast losing respect in my eyes. Basic respect transcends race.
 
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Psychedelic Gleam said:
Its incredible how hateful people can be towards a decentralized religious movement, of which the majority of members have nothing to do with politics/media/money...
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I have no hate, just throwing out ideas for people to research at their leisure.
The only war is class war- thats what i have come to believe...but i want to start a corporation, so does that make me the enemy?
 
Manifespo said:
My my, how the mere mention of media ownership sure rattles the sayanim into action. What was your motto again? By deception thou art do war.
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I don't know fuck-wit, what is "my motto"?

Manifespo said:
Who said it was a big jewish conspiracy, Dr Zero? Nevermind, that is just the latest straw man from the resident ADL/Mossad/Bnai Brith shill...
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Yes, who did "say that"? Oops, looks like I "slipped" there...8) I just can't believe you've gone and blown my cover...8) So, let me get this straight, you’re claiming I work for one of these organizations? Please, answer me. Do you have any idea how fuckin' insane you sound? Guy, you're a joke, people laugh at you and your ideas, well, those who don't know "the truth" yet that is...8) In other words, those of us who are mentally balanced...

Manifespo said:
Who OWNS the Fed, and 97% of the headlines you see?
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Even if true, so fucking what?

Manifespo said:
International masonry is talmudian syncretism.
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PROVE IT...

Manifespo said:
Check out the $1 bill, above the eagle you may trace the star of david. America was founded on kabbalistic masonry.
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PROVE IT...

Manifespo said:
Who killed Jesus?
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Ah, stooped to pulling out the old deicide already have we? "The murder of God"...Yep, probably the original/ main reason the Jews have been persecuted since the time of Christ, this is what really started it all, nice one asshole...

Manifespo said:
Was Hitler a quarter jew from his mothers side?
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I don't know, was he? I certainly can't seem to find PROOF of that anywhere, but please, enlighten me...

Manifespo said:
Who funded Hitler?
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...8)

Manifespo said:
What is the only religion which allows usury?
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Is that seriously the fucking best you could come up with? Certainly you must be kidding? Talk about grasping at straws, pathetic...

Manifespo said:
Most of the "Jews" today aren't even Semitic (sephardic) blood- so your tired anti-semitic canard just doesn't cut it.
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Well, you know as well as I, that the modern meaning of anti-Semitic simply means the hatred of Jews, period, again, lame...

Manifespo said:
Check out the history of the Khazars if you want to know the truth.
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Why bother, I apparently already "know the truth" anyway...;)

Manifespo said:
I'm against all evil, be it American, African, Italian, Japanese, and yes, Jewish. Fuck stereotypes, lets find the truth together...let the chips fall where they may.
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"Sterotypes"? What do "stereotypes" have to do with anything? That statement makes no sense at all, you anti-Semitic turd you...
 
Check out the $1 bill, above the eagle you may trace the star of david. America was founded on kabbalistic masonry.
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that's some solid evidence you assembled there. lol.

I have no hate, just throwing out ideas for people to research at their leisure.
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yea, how about you researching them?
 
that speech was great until he said "certainly our Lord and Savior was not one of them" and i realised that he beleived in the christian lord.

he lost all credibility completely

although im still looking into what he said about all that war stuff, but no matter what the jews did, there is no justification for killing a whole race of men women and children the way they did it.

my 2 cents (im jewish but an agnostic one)
 
i think people make the mistake of assuming that historical accuracy and a desire to comprehend the lessons of the Holocaust is somehow linked to the modern entity that is Israel and the modern political ideology that is Zionism.

i am jewish by birth, but agnostic in life. i too am frustrated by some aspects of the media coverage of the israeli/palestinian issue, but then again here in britain we have our fair share of anti-israeli bastions in the mainstream press.

but what's absolutely clear to me is the following:

1) it is entirely possible to criticise the state of israel's behaviour in the occupied territories

and concomitantly

2) this has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

yes, there are some Jews who will cry 'Holocaust' at the earliest opportunity and who seek to use the tragedy as justification for all sorts of lunatic ideals and policies. however these people are a minority and - here's the key point - even if they do utilise it for political gain it has precisely NO impact on the historical basis for our understanding of the holocaust. regardless of what you think of israel's current actions or the media coverage thereof, it is simply untenable to try and retrospectively apply ideological convictions to events that happened 60 years ago.

it's akin to saying that the fact that britain & the US went to war together in iraq proves that america never fought against King George :)

when people do start making such historically useless analyses, they soon wander off into the realm of vast historicist meta-conspiracy, whereby Jews and Lizardmen run the known universe from their stronghold deep under the surface of Jupiter's 14th moon Gamma-4-Klyszot and spend their time controlling the outcome of world events whilst giggling into their beards and tails respectively.
 
ebola? said:
Zero the hero, even if you are retorting to reprehensible and baseless views, you needn't bust out the ad-homs.

ebola
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Well you might be right (but I don't care), the fact is that this shit infuriates me and I find it an insult to every Jew I know and to the memory of their dead relatives. I can't believe the garbage I've seen in this thread is even allowed here, sorry, but you're chastising ME for "ad-homs"...?
 
I don't mean to chastise you.
I just think bullshit is best left to air out in the open, y'know? So it may be seen as such. . .
That, and this forum has an explicit declaration against ad-homs that preceeds my presence.

ebola
 
does everyone see what religion has done to this world???!!! ITS A BIG JOKE
 
Your PROOF of this is where? www.jewwatch.com perhaps…? I seriously hope you’re joking, but if not, why don’t you take your anti-Semitic rubbish and fuck off asshole. Go back to reading your copy of “The protocols of the learned Elders of Zion” , “Mein Kampf” or whatever other similar garbage you’re probably into…
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I understand why you felt it necessary to react to my comments in this way, but hear me out.

I do not hate jewish people. In fact I am fully aware that there is no biological basis for race beyond adaptation to particular environments.

The reason I remain skeptical of holocaust claims is that there is debate over what happened.

Contrary to popular belief, the holocaust was not all about Jews - Hitler's main goal was military expansion and ethnic cleansing was his political strategy to rile up the masses in Germany. Early during Hitler's rule, Jews were imprisoned not to be killed but to work in camps to fuel the German war machine.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust
Functionalists like Hans Mommsen, Martin Broszat, Götz Aly, Raul Hilberg and Christopher Browning hold that the Holocaust was started in 1941-1942 as a result of the failure of the Nazi deportation policy and the impending military losses in Russia. They claim that what some see as extermination fantasies outlined in Hitler's Mein Kampf and other Nazi literature were mere propaganda and did not constitute concrete plans. In Mein Kampf Hitler repeatedly states his inexorable hatred of the Jewish people, but nowhere does he proclaim his intention to exterminate the Jewish people.

Furthermore, Functionalists point to the fact that in the 1930s, Nazi policy aimed at trying to make life so unpleasant for German Jews that they would leave Germany. Adolf Eichmann was in charge of facilitating Jewish emigration by whatever means possible from 1937 until October 3, 1941, when German Jews were forbidden to leave, Reinhard Heydrich issuing an order to that effect. Functionalists point to the SS's support for a time in the late 1930s for Zionist groups as the preferred solution to the "Jewish Question" as another sign that there was no masterplan for genocide. The SS only ceased their support for German Zionist groups in May 1939 when Joachim von Ribbentrop informed Hitler of this, and Hitler ordered Himmler to cease and desist as the creation of Israel was not a goal Hitler thought worthy of German foreign policy.
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Why would a leader bent on world domination suddenly kill off his workforce?


The point is, the stupidly simple story we are all taught in school about the holocaust is a fiction. Hitler was evil, and millions of Jews were killed. But most people just gloss over the details.

And that is the interesting thing.....people don't really know much about the holocaust except that "six million jews were killed." Thus whenever somebody mentions israel without praising it, they are called an anti-semite.

For some reason, in the United states, Israel is our best friend in the world. Why is that? It's because Israel is a client state, and a convenient place to have a military ally in the most energy rich region in the world. You think we didn't know that when the lines were drawn up after the war??

And so now whatever Israel does...it's perfectly fine because, "they deserve respect because six million jews were killed."

Israel has a massive lobby in washington...and the United States is constantly shipping new weapons to the israeli army. Israel has a secret nuclear arsenal, and a government with radical elements.

All this for just a tiny little strip of land. You have to ask yourself, "why?"

It is your ignorance of history that makes you say "take your anti-Semitic rubbish and fuck off asshole."

My best friend when I was a young child was israeli and for you to call me an anti-semite is laughable.
 
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There are plenty of stories from Japanese POW camps, as previously stated the jews are focused on alot because they were the main target of the final solution.
 
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