The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children

My great grand dad was a luftwaffe field division flieger during WW2. After turning himself in to the allied forces he was a prisoner of war in Texas from 1940 until 44. After which he was recruited into the OSS because he was educated and spoke 6 languages at the time. Over the years he changed quite a bit as a person, and by the time he became a member of the CIA, he was managing assets in the newly expanded territories of the USSR. He says that most of his colleagues knew we were not at any threat of utter annihilation, and that alot of them were racists and right wing nut jobs(William F Buckley anyone?). The cold war was about economics plain and simple. There are just as many nuclear weapons now as there were then, and we are not at the brink of "utter annihilation" now, nor were we then.

By the 60s, according to him he was in the Democratic Republic of Congo working for Larry Devlin. Patrice Lamumba tried to nationalize all of Congo's assets, while accepting aid from the USSR(heaven forbid, why would they do that when they can just borrow money at high interest rates from friends of their Belgian overlords), and supposedly Eisenhower ordered his assassination. Devlin apparently had some reason why he didn't want to do it, but my Great grand dad says it would have eventually happened had the Katanga not overthrown his government with US aid and supplies. After being captured, Lamumba was taken to a field by 3 Belgian law enforcement officials and executed by a firing squad.

Devlin got pretty close to his successor Mobutu Sese Seko, but my GGD said he was the sickest fuck he had ever met, and that he hated even being in the same room with the guy. He spent another five years there, and said he would never go back to Africa. Mobutu ended up changing the countries name to Zaire, running a kleptocracy that bankrupted the country for 30 years, murdering 100s of thousands of dissidents, and in his wake a civil war broke out that killed a combined total of one million people leaving the country in absolute shambles. Did you know that they still have slavery in "Zaire" to this day? The Bantu enslave the Pygmies and pay them a towel a day to do back breaking work.

This was a criminal act by two governments towards another, and it was economically motivated. And by that I don't just mean Capitalism vs Communism, but that large multinational corporations were involved. This is just one story I have some information and pictures on, but there are dozens of analogous events executed by a shadow organization of which little is really known, inside and out.
 
^ you realize nabbing people and loading them with LSD is something the CIA has already admitted to, right? project MK Ultra. lots of money has been given out in compensation when this story broke into mainstream

To my knowledge, the payouts werent large. Rewards between 2-50 thousand were given out if I remember correctly.
 
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist here, especially when I have family who have worked for the CIA as well as other very high military positions. I'm not saying it's all kittens and puppies, but I seriously doubt they're torturing children by a long shot. Exactly how would they benefit from doing this anyway..?

Haha ignorance is bliss. They did all this already...;)

MK Ultra is right.
 
the government is capable of anything, don't forget it... always watch your back and take care of your family as well..
"you need to hide your kids,
hide your wife,
hide your kids,
hide your wife,

and hide your husband cuz they're rapin' errbody out there"

:P
 
My great grand dad was a luftwaffe field division flieger during WW2. After turning himself in to the allied forces he was a prisoner of war in Texas from 1940 until 44. After which he was recruited into the OSS because he was educated and spoke 6 languages at the time. Over the years he changed quite a bit as a person, and by the time he became a member of the CIA, he was managing assets in the newly expanded territories of the USSR. He says that most of his colleagues knew we were not at any threat of utter annihilation, and that alot of them were racists and right wing nut jobs(William F Buckley anyone?). The cold war was about economics plain and simple. There are just as many nuclear weapons now as there were then, and we are not at the brink of "utter annihilation" now, nor were we then.

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Thats impossible the U.S. did not enter the war until december of 1941. The luftwaffe did not have field divisions until october of 1942 source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe_Field_Division

I dont wanna say you are bullshitting but what you said was just so historically innacurate it makes it hard to believe the interesting stuff about africa.
 
good thing we have history nerds around!

i get in history nerd phases sometimes but that's some detailed memory you've got lol
 
All the things you say are completely possible. He lived in Poland, and I had this conversation meeting him for the first time when I was 15 shortly before he died. It's irrelevant though, if I cared I could prove that he was in the Luftwaffe as I have things I could provide as documentation, and I could also prove he was an American POW as I was given the pajamas which have labels indicating they were for POWs. I can't prove he was in the CIA although it was generally regarded as being true by all in the family do to thing like his not returning home after the war and not being seen until 10 years later in some east European country by a relative who spotted him at which point it was revealed he was working under some different name as a consultant of some sort, and when he started dying he pretty much openly acknowledged it.

If you don't believe the CIA handled Mobutu Sese Seko I'd like to hear what you can offer to counter all of the documentation available. And that was the point of my post, that even the people involved with this stuff had a bad taste for it at times. These people pretty much swim in the grayest of areas, and prescribe to consequential ethics too backward for normal people. Ex. Because I love my country and this other country is threatening the economic hegemony of my country I have to infiltrate and corrupt their government, and in some cases destroy and replace with a shadow government? Literally these guys had to go into situations like this, and those who's identity hasn't completely been fused to the CIA yet have nothing but this logic to justify the fucked up shit they're doing sometimes. I suppose now that terrorism is a two way street things are a little different.
 
That is why I said im not discounting what you said its just that I am a history major so litttle inacuracies like that jump out to me. I think you have some dates confused as far as the war goes also luftwaffe field divisions where infantry formations they had no aircraft. I think you screwed up some terminology which is frankly understandable. I dont know much about Africa so I honestly cant comment on that part other then the fact I found it facsinating. Thanks for the story sorry if I came off as an ass it was not my intention. peace
 
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