The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children

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http://www.truth-out.org/the-hidden-tragedy-cias-experiments-children62208

Wednesday 11 August 2010
by: H.P. Albarelli Jr. and Dr. Jeffrey S. Kaye, t r u t h o u t | Investigative Report


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Bobby is seven years old, but this is not the first time he has been subjected to electroshock. It's his third time. In all, over the next year, Bobby will experience eight electroshock sessions. Placed on the examining table, he is held down by two male attendants while the physician places a solution on his temples. Bobby struggles with the two men holding him down, but his efforts are useless. He cries out and tries to pull away. One of the attendants tries to force a thick wedge of rubber into his mouth. He turns his head sharply away and cries out, "Let me go, please. I don't want to be here. Please, let me go." Bobby's physician looks irritated and she tells him, "Come on now, Bobby, try to act like a big boy and be still and relax." Bobby turns his head away from the woman and opens his mouth for the wedge that will prevent him from biting through his tongue. He begins to cry silently, his small shoulders shaking and he stiffens his body against what he knows is coming.

Mary is only five years old. She sits on a small, straight-backed chair, moving her legs back and forth, humming the same four notes over and over and over. Her head, framed in a tangled mass of golden curls, moves up and down with each note. For the first three years of her life, Mary was thought to be a mostly normal child. Then, after she began behaving oddly, she had been handed off to a foster family. Her father and mother didn't want her any longer. She had become too strange for her father, whose alcoholism clouded any awareness of his young daughter. Mary's mother had never wanted her anyway and was happy to have her placed in another home. When the LSD Mary has been given begins to have its effects, she stops moving her head and legs and sits staring at the wall. She doesn't move at all. After about ten minutes, she looks at the nearby physician observing her, and says, "God isn't coming back today. He's too busy. He won't be back here for weeks."
 
holy shit truth is stranger than fiction. Im sad to say I LOLed at "God isn't coming back today. He's too busy. He won't be back here for weeks."
 
pretty cool quote for a 5 year old. go LSD

no shame in finding something positive in everything :P

it feels like 90% of the population believe our government would not do anything like this
 
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist here, especially when I have family who have worked for the CIA as well as other very high military positions. I'm not saying it's all kittens and puppies, but I seriously doubt they're torturing children by a long shot. Exactly how would they benefit from doing this anyway..?
 
^ you realize nabbing people and loading them with LSD is something the CIA has already admitted to, right? project MK Ultra. lots of money has been given out in compensation when this story broke into mainstream

i assume this article is related to that project. i haven't read the full article but i wouldn't dismiss this so easily

i also have family in high military/military-industrial-complex positions. doesn't change the fact that the system is like a machine, it doesn't matter which individuals fill the slots/cogs (usually)
 
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist here, especially when I have family who have worked for the CIA as well as other very high military positions. I'm not saying it's all kittens and puppies, but I seriously doubt they're torturing children by a long shot. Exactly how would they benefit from doing this anyway..?

go away pig. How does it feel to be lied to by your piggy ancestors ones for the greater good of the country??

Ontopic: they did some pretty crazy shit to people with physcological disorders back then, that these CIA experiments are neither shocking nore isolated.
 
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist here, especially when I have family who have worked for the CIA as well as other very high military positions. I'm not saying it's all kittens and puppies, but I seriously doubt they're torturing children by a long shot. Exactly how would they benefit from doing this anyway..?
How don't they benefit from this. Their doing something no one else can(allegedly) meaning that their getting information on a wide variety of terrible things their competition shouldn't have. Plus when this was occurring our government was more paranoid than someone losing it on LSD. We also thought that certain things would help so things were just swept under the rug.
 
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist here, especially when I have family who have worked for the CIA as well as other very high military positions. I'm not saying it's all kittens and puppies, but I seriously doubt they're torturing children by a long shot. Exactly how would they benefit from doing this anyway..?

You seriously doubt it? Why? You think they only torture suspected terrorists? Sure, the idea of torture is relative, but I too have close family members that were in the CIA. Stop placing such confidence in your government to bring you safety and security. Theses are illusions and its time our entire world started striving for something more concrete and sustainable. Like the truth..
 
This isn't a "conspiracy theory." This is a tragic mistake in the history of our practice of science. There was a time, when LSD was an unfamiliar chemical and psychology was an even younger and less mature science than it is now, when many scientists did not understand and appreciate the gravity of the risks involved with using LSD in such a cavalier manner.

If it were found that this sort of thing was going on now, that would be cause to use the term "conspiracy theory" ... the science has progressed to the point where anyone who has a doctorate in a discipline even remotely related to these experiments should know better.

But in the 50's and early 60's, the people who held advanced degrees in psychology had been educated in a time when NOBODY even knew chemicals like this existed, let alone how powerful they truly were. This is no defense of the monsters who repeatedly exposed children to these drugs ... it's just a sad explanation for why anyone ever thought this was OK. They just didn't understand what they were doing.
 
i'm going to take a wild guess that User Name Here isn't intending to disguise truth, and is not a pig

it's a public "discussion" forum guys
the people who held advanced degrees in psychology had been educated in a time when NOBODY even knew chemicals like this existed
with the notable exception of many indigenous cultures and a few western-world authors and scientists and others
 
there's not much i WOULDN'T believe our government capable of, excepting, perhaps, benevolence. if that makes me a conspiracy theorist, so be it.

young mary was right.
 
My great grand dad was in the CIA. He told me about some of the stuff he did in the Congo. I believe it. It's sad because the did this to autistic children. If I were alive in the 40s that could have been me. That supposed neuro psychiatrist sounds like an evil bitch. Apparently she was intolerant of criticism, like a female J Edgar Hoover.
 
Despite publicly claiming good results with electroshock treatment, privately Bender said she was seriously disappointed in the aftereffects and results shown by the subject children. Indeed, the condition of some of the children appeared to have only worsened. One six-year-old boy, after being shocked several times, went from being a shy, withdrawn child to acting increasingly aggressive and violent. Another child, a seven-year-old girl, following five electroshock sessions had become nearly catatonic.

Years later, another of Bender's young patients who became overly aggressive after about 20 treatments, now grown, was convicted in court as a "multiple murderer." Others, in adulthood, reportedly were in and of trouble and prison for a battery of petty and violent crimes. A 1954 scientific study of about 50 of Bender's young electroshock patients, conducted by two psychologists, found that nearly all were worse off after the "therapy" and that some had become suicidal after treatment. One of the children studied in 1954 was the son of well-known writer Jacqueline Susann, author of the bestselling novel "Valley of the Dolls." Susann's son, Guy, was diagnosed with autism shortly after birth and, when he was three years old, Dr. Bender convinced Susann and her husband that Guy could be successfully treated with electroshock therapy. Guy returned home from Bender's care a nearly lifeless child. Susann later told people that Bender had "destroyed" her son. Guy has been confined to institutions since his treatment.

(This writer could find no case where any of Bender's colleagues spoke out against her decidedly racist viewpoints. Bender made it quite clear that she felt that African-Americans were best characterized by their "capacity for laziness" and "ability to dance," both features, Bender claimed, of the "specific brain impulses" of African-Americans.)

Fucking monster!
 
^ you realize nabbing people and loading them with LSD is something the CIA has already admitted to, right? project MK Ultra. lots of money has been given out in compensation when this story broke into mainstream

i assume this article is related to that project. i haven't read the full article but i wouldn't dismiss this so easily

i also have family in high military/military-industrial-complex positions. doesn't change the fact that the system is like a machine, it doesn't matter which individuals fill the slots/cogs (usually)

Yeah, I'm aware of it. I know full well about the past; the LSD experiments, etc. From what I understand it wasn't horribly abusive in any way but I don't know 100% so correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, that was what, 50 years ago? Things have changed. I highly doubt they would get away with experimenting on babies... And if they are, you can damn well guarantee the general public would know nothing about it, ever. They wouldn't let it get close to the hands of some conspiracy theorists.
 
go away pig. How does it feel to be lied to by your piggy ancestors ones for the greater good of the country??

Ontopic: they did some pretty crazy shit to people with physcological disorders back then, that these CIA experiments are neither shocking nore isolated.

Wait, so if I don't agree with you, you're going to belittle my family? Very mature.

Look, I am 100% against treating people in a cruel way. So is my family, especially when it comes to children. Things have happened in the past that no one is proud of; they never should have happened but they did. I agree it shouldn't have happened.

Don't lump me in with some sort of evil organization simply because I have a slightly different outlook on it.

Besides, everyone and their mom has a family member in the CIA in this thread. First of all, that's amusing/interesting.

Second of all: Wouldn't your families be full of "piggies" too...?

But like I said before, anyone who is capable of child-like attacks and name-calling is not going to be able to handle a disagreement like an adult, so I give up. I can tell you're incapable of being mature about this so I'm done.

I would never attack anyone in this thread for holding a different opinion and I wish I could expect the same from people here but I understand it's the internet and people get carried away.
 
the CIA, or any goverment agency, has no moral boundaries. they don't care about children, or elders, or middle class working people, except in the context of how they can be exploited for the benefit of the rich and powerful.

none of my family works for the CIA. i have no idea exactly how deep the evil goes. nothing would shock me, though. they did things "no one is proud of" 50 years ago, and i highly doubt that they've suddenly stumbled on a secret cache of ethics between then and now. no, as UNH pointed out, they just bury the evidence of their crimes against humanity deeper. make sure the public doesn't have access to that information. ever. wouldn't want anything dangerous (like the truth) in the hands of conspiracy theorists.

i was born during the vietnam "police action", and the watergate trials are among some of my earliest memories. perhaps that has permanently affected my mindset. the fact remains that i don't trust any representative of our government (but especially intel or the military) to be anything other than corrupt, and deceitful, and determined to have what they want regardless of who they have to trample and crush to get it.

i don't wish to personally attack anyone here, but seriously, why do you think someone would voluntarily go to work for an organization that they KNOW has committed atrocities like mk ultra? shouldn't that bring their personal values into question? i certainly would never believe that someone who worked for the CIA was "against treating people in a cruel way." anyone who was truly against it would not lift one finger, ever, to so much as sweep the floors for people who have proven themselves to be cruel. if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.......
 
i don't wish to personally attack anyone here, but seriously, why do you think someone would voluntarily go to work for an organization that they KNOW has committed atrocities like mk ultra? shouldn't that bring their personal values into question? i certainly would never believe that someone who worked for the CIA was "against treating people in a cruel way." anyone who was truly against it would not lift one finger, ever, to so much as sweep the floors for people who have proven themselves to be cruel. if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.......

Thats not exactly fair during the cold war we faced the threat of utter annihilation by the USSR. They where testing LSD as a biochemical weapon it was going to be sprayed on enemy units to sow confusion and panic. Also the CIA is a huge organisation its a case of the right hand having no idea what the left hand was doing I doubt his family member was involved in any unethical activities most people thought they where defending thier country.
 
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