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Yep...

Like most "how to" books, you have to know what you are really doing to even cull the modicum of facts from all the hyperbole...but then, if one really knows their thing, why would they even waste money on such a book? I guess it is does have some value as a curio or as a part of clan lab history but that is about it.
 
Anyway, if Fester insists on publishing books on how to extract ricin from castor oil beans (and other simple 'home terrorism projects'), he's going to find himself on the receiving end of a homelands security investigation. The DEA might be bad, but if they think you're helping terrorists, your life isn't going to be worth shit...

Look what happened to the people in Manchester who piqued the interest of the Special Branch... No British drug manufacturer would have gotten that sort of treatment.
 
No disagreement, but SWIAJ got a nasty letter for ordering valium, He has absolutely no plans to ordre ergo-anything. TihKAL is an amazing book, but most of us can't get these things.
 
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Andrue...

Not true at all. Almost every compund in both Tikhal AND Pikhal can be synthesized from precursors that can in turn be synthesized themselves, by less controlled chems., etc. Where there is will, there is a way. Furthermore, there are a ton of other very feasible schemes that are not included in either tome. Anybody with half a brain can make PCP and vitually all of its analogs very easily. Of course the same is true for methamp and other amp. Opioids? Very doable. If one applies themslf, uses common sense, and all the wonderful info at our fingertips...it is no problem at all. Remember, for alot of us older people, there was no internet. Still, things were created and improved upon. Nowadays, it is far easier yet.
 
The thing is that even if you can purchase certain chemicals/labware I think that it is going to generate heat and the risk of detection is probably high. Still, I think this is the wrong place to discuss issues as this since nearly everything above is used in a context that could be construed as being incriminating.
 
Smyth

First: There are very easy ways around that.

Second, any labware or chems can be schemed from otc solvents and chems, and otc equipment If you choose not to get around Big Bro.
 
I don't think anyone is going to be obtaining ergotamine or HPLC machines from OTC chems and hardware.
 
Well...

You are missing the point. For both items mentioned, there are very feasible otc methods. GLC has many alternatives and isn't necessary in any regard and ergotamine is no state secret. Most people who care to llok for the answers already know how to cirumvent that. Also, the number of LSD chemists is tiny. There are so many other substances even if a person did not want to take the trouble to obtain LSD precursors [whoch they certainly could if so nclined].
 
we all get what you're saying. and as 'easy' as it might sound to obtain the necessary tools over time with ease and procaution, an mdma synth may sound quite simple to make, but is far from it.--
one should be considered lucky enough to have all the right materials, but it's not like undergoing a pcp or amp. synth, or even getting by with generic looking lab materials. the production of lsd and mdma require sophistication, time, effort, and most importantly, experience

precursers such as safrole and other sassafras containing substances such as the essential oil, or 'brown' camphore 1.070 and piperindinyl are under tight supervision within the dea, making it all the more difficult for a chemist to acquire..
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^ As rachamim mentioned though, where there's a will, there's a way - you can get 3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde from black pepper with minimal work. With a bit more work, you can distill safrole from commercially available oils that aren't watched like sassafras (eg nutmeg). After that, anyone with enough motivation can learn how to carry out an MDMA synth.


I'll admit that the situation with LSD is different as it requires a level of skill in organic synthesis beyond your average kitchen chemist, and ergotamine (or other viable source of D-lysergic acid) is of limited availability, but even then, f you know how to make it look legit you can get access to some (or appeal to the greed of people with access to the compound) and as we all know - a little LSD goes a long way!
 
3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde from black pepper with minimal work.
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You won't get much piperonal from black pepper, but you can obtain piperine

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It's present at a level of around 10%, but conversion to piperonal is hardly simple and mole for mole yield is ~ 50% of the starting material.

I seem to remember that distilling safrole from nutmeg is a bitch...low content and similar boiling point compounds maybe... Cinnamomum camphora and Eremophila longifolia are great Australian sources of safrole. Extraction from camphor is a bit tedious, but during a Uni project which examined the safrole content of local trees, it was proven that sufficient safrole was present to make the process worthwhile. Camphor is an invasive xenotype pest in this area as it poisons the waterways and the seeds kill some birds that eat them. It grows everywhere along the Northern NSW / South East Qld coastline. The safrole content is so high in older trees growing dry areas, that when the roots are dug up, you don't smell camphor, you smell safrole. Comprises around 10% of root bark oil content.

Chemistry wise, MDMA is far from being a difficult synth. LSD is in a different league altogether, but again, not that difficult....or so they say
 
just get an illicium parviflorum michx, besides sassafras oil itself, the illiium plant is the way to go when looking for a good hefty amount of safrole----> (it's also called the yellow anisetree if anyone wanted to really look into it)

but yea i'd say anyone with atleast a college level chemistry course would be able to handle a mdx synth rather okay i guess, but comparing it to manufacturing any type of amphetamine, where-as no type of chemistry background is required, x would definately seem alot more complex
- all the lab crap needed aint that cheap either
 
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Yeah, 'minimal work' might have been a bit of an exaggeration, but it would form the aldehyde/acid with a fairly strong oxidizing agent, and there are other essential oils with safrole present in amounts that make vacuum distillation viable. It was more to demonstrate the will/way theory!
 
just get an illicium parviflorum michx, besides sassafras oil itself, the illiium plant is the way to go when looking for a good hefty amount of safrole
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The problem with the illicium species is that anethole is also present. Because of the diffculties in properly separating anethole from safrole (v.close B.P.s) it not only limits suitable synthetic routes, but it also means that if isomeriation is used so as to allow separation of isosafrole from anethole, much of the total product will be lost, unless of course you want PMMA as a product.

There may be other ways of adequately separating anethole from safrole. The density is 1.096 for safrole and 0.9883 for anethole
 
but comparing it to manufacturing any type of amphetamine, where-as no type of chemistry background is required
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Sure things like pseudo and phenylpropanolamine reductions would be easy, but most other routes to speed are on par with a typical MDMA synthesis, particularly if they go via a ketone intermediate.
 
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i guess you're right, starting from scratch though, mdma definately requires alot more washing and distillation of everything before anything can ever get done...

i found this, in regards to Frac's post... [or whoever it was that posted up that huge chart before it got taken down] -----------------------------------
Usual Components of Sassafras Oil
Component ------ Range of Content ---- Boiling Point
pipene ------------------- 2-10% ------------- 154
phcilandrene ----------- 2-10% ------------- 175
d-camphor -------------- 0-5% --------------- 204
safrole ------------------ 80-90% ------------ 234
eugenol ----------------- 0-10% ------------- 252
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But...

The point IS that it is in fact doable. The extra work is a given but if one is so inclined it is of little consequence. True, LSD is not a walk in the park but is still not rocket science. Most of the original "cooks" were self taught or trained by associates. It is important to point out that it is not like making a cake but it is still well within the range of mere mortals.

As for MDMA, it is not a difficult endeavour.
 
I think it is certainly difficult to do. If you checked the number of people who have failed LSD synthesis then you'd realize that it is not something you can afford to take shortcuts on, meaning that it is in fact very taxing. As for MDMA, if you are ordering chemicals from places other than chemical suppliers then you may get sold products that arent worth their weight in shit.
 
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