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Actually weed does cure cancer. Chemo is a scam that just prolongs suffering and collects money. Works 3/10 times while treating with oils works 7/10 times
 
dr katz said:
Actually weed does cure cancer. Chemo is a scam that just prolongs suffering and collects money. Works 3/10 times while treating with oils works 7/10 times
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those figures aren't accurate.

To my knowledge, no physician would prescribe marijuana (even in legal/medical states) to CURE cancer, but they would to treat the symptoms of the cancer. It's far from being a cure, and while it does have potential, it just isn't viable until full legalization and rigorous studies.
 
Agreed
In fact I think that the words "government" and "logic" don't really belong together at all!
 
szuko000 said:
This is true and what we must remember is these laws are basically a response to how the users and the drug were viewed at the time. Psychedelics were associated with hippys and a music scene that didnt hold traditional societal values and thus had strict laws against their usage, to avoid other children being "converted" into hippys in hopes that they would instead get good jobs and further society. Just as laws regarding the distribution of crack cocaine were a response to the epidemic and all the fear surround that. We see with the advent of legal marijuana how hard it is to change the law even if most people agree that the law itself is wrong.

So honestly if you wish to blame someone blame the hippies. Well blame societies view of a group that it did not fully understand and its response to the question "how do we avoid everyone becoming like this"
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Good point. And to be honest, I blame the hippies for shit all the time. Stupid fucking hippies.
 
iodo said:
Truthfully, I haven't gained any "knowledge" or "transcendence" from psychedelics. I've never heard/read anything that isn't mumbo-jumbo bullshit from someone who's "opened their third eye". Have I solved problems through tripping? Yes. But not problems that I couldn't have solved sober or with therapy.
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I agree on the mumbo-jumbo. Fucking hippie bullshit and borderline psychosis, no doubt.

That said - I must admit, of all the drugs I've taken, psychedelics are about the only ones I've ever had positive, actual productive live-changing experiences with. Not anything to do with third-eye, hippy bullshit, but rather - generally from the deeply introspective nightmarish guilt. Seriously - there's been a couple key turning points in my life, where after a strong, nightmarish mushroom trip, I've made a genuine, positive life-altering decision. As an example, I'd not spoken to my dad for nearly two years, about a decade ago, because I owed him money and a bunch of other shit and eventually not speaking to him went from uncomfortable, to awkward to fucking weird and eventually into a full-blown 'thing' where I became that guy who hadn't spoken to his own dad in two years, he didn't even know where I live and not for want of him trying to get in touch either! Then, I had a powerful mushroom trip and I kind of saw how much of a fuckwit I was being and I also had a sort of 'vision' where it all played out and I imagined how it would be in another 5-10-20-50 (his deathbed and beyond) years and what I would feel like if I let it fester that long. And literally the next day I called him and patched that shit up. Been fine since too.
 
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Burnt Offerings said:
I don't know, some of the sentences for people who've been involved in the manufacture/sale of LSD are ridiculous, like life-in-prison style ridiculous.

It's just that it's so rare compared to something like cocaine or heroin.
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Yeah obviously you can cherry-pick some examples where a relative psychedelics sentence was harsher than one for meth/heroin. But what is your point?
 
dr katz said:
Actually weed does cure cancer. Chemo is a scam that just prolongs suffering and collects money. Works 3/10 times while treating with oils works 7/10 times
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You're a fucking moron. And I don't say that lightly. Fuckwits that say shit like 'chemo is a scam' are worse than morons, you are actually actively contributing to harm. HR forums like this should ban scum shit like you.
 
The government does actually believe that drugs still harm you, not enlighten you. I suppose some of the elites and higher up people understand the enlightenment potential, but mostly it's conservative bureaucracy in a very slow-moving system that is the cause of drugs still being feared. Most of the research that demonstrated dangers was conducted in incredibly flawed ways half a century ago or even earlier, yet those findings are still the basis of current laws.

Of course, we also have industries tied to drug laws, like the prison system. If drugs were decriminalized tomorrow a lot of law enforcement would lose their jobs and prisons would go out of business.
 
mostly-human said:
I agree on the mumbo-jumbo. Fucking hippie bullshit and borderline psychosis, no doubt.

That said - I must admit, of all the drugs I've taken, psychedelics are about the only ones I've ever had positive, actual productive live-changing experiences with. Not anything to do with third-eye, hippy bullshit, but rather - generally from the deeply introspective nightmarish guilt. Seriously - there's been a couple key turning points in my life, where after a strong, nightmarish mushroom trip, I've made a genuine, positive life-altering decision.
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I completely agree with you, and I've had revelations that have led to big events in my life. But for me to say that I gained this knowledge from psychedelics alone would be an overstatement. They're tools that have allowed me to see situations in a different view. (

But assuming that because I've learned from my experience, that everyone will learn and it'll only be helpful to society, and thus be legalized and widely available is ludacris. I'm positive that therapy sessions would have eventually led to the same breakthroughs, so we shouldn't immediately turn to drugs because we're presented with a problem.

If psychs were widely available and tripping was the new norm, I think it'd be awkward. Walking around a local event, 5/10 people are tripping and 3/10 are drinking alcohol? And on top of that, there'd be so many cases of psychotic outbreaks, leading to institutionalization and PTSD from high doses. It'd be a very fucked up society.
 
dr katz said:
Not that difficult to research this. It's common knowledge that it helps cure cancer
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Oh how I wish that were true. There is some evidence that suggests it may assist in preventing some cancer growth but there is no definitive proof that it cures or prevents cancer. Its kind of like how red grapes have that compound that may do the same thing. There is no cure for cancer I am sorry to say you are spreading misinformation. Chemo helps many people achieve remission and extends patients lives greatly what you are saying about that is completely false.
 
szuko000 said:
Oh how I wish that were true. There is some evidence that suggests it may assist in preventing some cancer growth but there is no definitive proof that it cures or prevents cancer. Its kind of like how red grapes have that compound that may do the same thing. There is no cure for cancer I am sorry to say you are spreading misinformation. Chemo helps many people achieve remission and extends patients lives greatly what you are saying about that is completely false.
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Chemo hardly helps more than it doesn't help. I've seen this personally many times. Also seen oil cure. Not trying to argue
 
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