The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

[Full Effect]

The only way to do G is to have a set time you take it, say 6-8 hours of the day only, for me I will use it from 2pm-10pm, then after 10pm take a dose of pregabalin and go to sleep later with no rebound in the night, works very well that so long as you stick to it. It's easy for me now anyway as after 10ml in a day G just gets shit, I trip out too much on it and get memory skips. Funnily enough I have never had physical wd only mental ones, in the shape of mild pyschosis, which is easily dealt with via valium..:D

 

[Ruffchuck]

It may work for you but....

Everyone's metabolism is different. If there is a history of alcohol abuse which could have damaged the central nervous system it's GOT to be taken into account. GHB or GBL disintegrates any physical, mental, emotional and healthy grip. I'd love to do the conversion to lessen the comedown but I'm not only feeling the extreme detrimental effects of GBL I also have some other health problems (neurodevelpmental) so I am worried I'll mess up the conversion etc etc.
KALMS get the night ones, PURPLE container, you can alter what you take, they have valarian in them, the day ones may not help with the level of valarian being less.
I have used this tincture too (detailed below) which is pretty effective for relieving wds. I AM IN NO WAY connected to the company. Health food shops have it or order online but you are looking at a time delay which I'm sure you want to avoid.

At A.Vogel, we insist that only freshly picked Valerian root and Hops plants are used to make Dormeasan. This ensures that the herb extracts obtained provide the active* ingredients that encourage undisturbed sleep. For more information on why we prefer to use fresh herbs in our herbal remedies, look for The A.Vogel fresh herb story.

Dormeasan Valerian-Hops oral drops - a traditional herbal medicinal product used for the temporary relief of sleep disturbances caused by the symptoms of mild anxiety, exclusively based upon long-standing use as a traditional remedy. Always read the leaflet.

To be honest Purple night Kalms are probably just as good ean easier to get thru boots etc.

I have not gone overboard on G but personally I cannot say from personal experience adding booze in helps. It's always made it harder for me. I have such an adverse reaxtion now after juat off on 18 months of non constant use that even with shrt spells of tiny amounts I have ended up on chlonidine (prescribed for other reasons) diazepam bought online thru a safe company (I AM NOT PROMOTING THEM) and zopiclone 7.5mg, which is a really high dose of sleeping tablet. Post GBL I get 3-4 hoursd. Prior to that I was out for the count for 11hours so be aware now of the risks.

PLEEASE NOTE EVERYBODY DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use this combination of meds (Kalms are ok but the others you cannot predict the effect), it is very dangerous and I practically crapped myself and started small and kept adding. These are CNS depressants and you must never ever risk overdoing them. Lots of the night time Kalms may help, but please please be careful. Remember I have a hyperactivity disorder and even tho I do not take those stimulant meds when wd from g the effect this substance has had on me is scary. DO NOT TAKE RISKS!

I hate it so much I wish I had never discovered it, you never het that same effect. Try and switch to something else.
I am pi**ed off as I have loong term PTSD and in europe you get MDMA on script for 3 months and with CBT long term sufferrers are sorted within 4-5 months.
UK won't approve it for at least another decade.

I hope I have helped and not said anything untoward, not posted enough to reply to pms must try harder..

REITRATE please don't take anything that ay suppress your central nervous syste and put you in danger - esprcially if you have had alcohol AND G.


Big love, I know what you are going thru - there myself-taken bloody ages to type this! LOL x

forgot to say response everyday mega b vitamin complex high potency quick release formula also has 1000g vit c it is made by a company called quest but I do not want to put detAILS UP IN CASE i BREACH t&c'S (oops sorry caps) they are based in Birmingham but I know G depletes the B vits so it's helpful for you to have that info. I also take eye Q fish oil capsules (don't buy cheapie versions) they help with depression and brain function. One of the things you get in a comedown pack I think (well I know but I only buy them seperately is L5HTP the high dose is 100mg and they stop the depression. They are based in wolverhampton by a co called trust. This is all I can tell you that has helped me but TREACLE is an expert, it's just I have found it hard to get baclofen or pregablin so I am trying to give you over the couter non suspicius but effective stuff.
It has heped me in the past, I hope it helps you . Please take care and do not take any risks bloody hell I hope that does not sound patronisig but having G w/d's I know just how desperate things feel.
Love yourself . Get well x

 

[Treacle]

There is no way youre wding benba, when did you get your hands on the gbl? Must have been Friday? Have a shower if your muscles are cramping and drink water, booze will only make you feel 10x worse after.

Oh and give bicarb of soda a try, you dont have anything to lose!

You're very wrong. After abusing G so much, even ONE SINGLE DOSE, after a break, would make me panicky, after it's worn off. Two days of 24/7 use would leave me in proper withdrawal, for at least 24-36 hours. It happens. Abusing GABA drugs can permanently alter the way your brain reacts during cessation. It happens with benzos, and it happens with this.

I once found anti-psychotics to absolutely abort a very extreme G withdrawal, and knock me clean out. Just another tip that I thought I'd mention. Be incredibly careful with the dose, and mixing them with other things, though (like I didn't).

Cheers, Ruff. Means a lot. I like to think I know as much as I can possibly cram into my brain, about this subject. It's a shame the knowledge came at such a price (friends/son - although mainly sorted, now). I've not touched the stuff for nearly a year, and I honestly don't miss it. I kicked it, and for good. I'm proud of myself, even if others aren't. People have no fucking idea what sort of grip it can get you in.

 

[bignbrown]

You're very wrong. After abusing G so much, even ONE SINGLE DOSE, after a break, would make me panicky, after it's worn off. Two days of 24/7 use would leave me in proper withdrawal, for at least 24-36 hours. It happens. Abusing GABA drugs can permanently alter the way your brain reacts during cessation. It happens with benzos, and it happens with this.

thank you yes my gaba receptors are so downregulated just a day or 2 on the gives me unpleasent wd's. The last was about 48 hours 24/7, felt terrible for days after.

 

[Treacle]

I can't even think about some of my worst withdrawals. Like you said; the chills, the disgusting feeling throughout your body - and that's just the start. I'm never getting into that state again.

 

[FlippingTop]

can you recommend anything to encourage up-regulation of GABAs? I have used alcohol/GBL and occasionally benzos pretty hard for years and years...

Very few G doses are need to get me into WD too.

 

[Treacle]

Honestly, apart from GABA antagonists (I don't know any off the top of my head, and that's probably going to land you in a world of pain, or hospital), your best bet is going to be some sort of NMDA antagonist, like MeDieVel has suggested.

 

[Chemical Samile]

I'd be wary of NMDA antagonists tbh. Repeated use has been shown to dramatically impair GABA function.

While it may provide some relief to someone suffering from excessive GABA abuse, in the long run you're likely just covering one problem with another.

 

[FlippingTop]

I am not going through any WD at the moment btw, just looking at anything that can undo any damage done.

 

[Treacle]

I'd be wary of NMDA antagonists tbh. Repeated use has been shown to dramatically impair GABA function.

While it may provide some relief to someone suffering from excessive GABA abuse, in the long run you're likely just covering one problem with another.

Really? Well, I don't know a great deal about NMDA antagonists. I just know they can help with tolerance issues. I certainly wouldn't suggest that anyone take one on a regular basis - just for a short period.

FT: Try and find a GABA antagonist, if they are at all available. It, in theory, should upregulate receptors. However, it's probably not going to fix any permanent changes that have been made from abusing GABA agonists. Is there any particular reason you want to sort your receptors out? As soon as you take any drugs, they'll probably just go back to the way they were - and quickly. I don't think what you have is damage, rather neurological changes, as I noted above (I'd guess at an over-sensitized GABA system, in general).

 

[MeDieViL]

I'd be wary of NMDA antagonists tbh. Repeated use has been shown to dramatically impair GABA function.

While it may provide some relief to someone suffering from excessive GABA abuse, in the long run you're likely just covering one problem with another.

Nah,check out my NMDA antagonist thread in the advanced section, it does appear tought that memantine works far better for GBL tolerance compared to DXM, on memantine using 100ml a week for months never caused any tolerance (however i was never addicted, so didnt take it 24/7) AT ALL, nada no fucking tolerance, however after i ran out of my dear memantine and money, everything went to shit, right now this stuff is garbage.

NMDA antagonists prevent or slow receptor downregulation wich is what mediates tolerance issues, they also prevent or slow other adaptive changes causing addiction and withdrawals.

 

[Treacle]

Except to other NMDA antagonists, of course. Otherwise, ketamine would be a very cheap affair, for an addict.

 

[Shambles]

I did a very silly thing earlier today. Had nowt other than water to hand to swill a dose down with and for some insane reason decided to try milk. Wouldn't recommend it. Seemed to coat my mouth with a vile combination of milkiness and plasticky geeb taste that lingered for ages. Ick.

Seem to have dived straight in to ~50ml/day 24/7 dosing instantly this time. Usually takes a few days to work up to that but doesn't actually feel particularly weak compared to other batches. Odd. Ish. Not had any hint of ickiness from this bottle so far - sometimes causes a bit of crampy twitchings and the like within a few days of starting on a bottle but no problem this time. Does seem to have lost some of the euphoria it once had though. Odd mix of doziness and speediness with this bottle actually. Never usually makes me dozy. Maybe it's summat to do with the antibiotics? Anyone familiar with using guice with antibios? Am on amoxycillin and metronizadole - 500mg of the former and 200mg of the latter every 8 hours if it makes a difference.

Also, just managed to squirt a dose right onto me chin missing my mouth completely. Doh! Glad I'm not made of plastic 8)

 

[Treacle]

Should be fine with any antibiotics, mate. I must say that when I've been desperate, I've used milk, and it's FAR preferable to water. At least it masks the taste, slightly. Is it German, or Chinese? Should you not have posted in the megathread, rather than addiction thread? I guess it is a bit of both.

 

[FlippingTop]

lol, I have read here a couple of times that Milk + GBL = Vomit heaven!

I like milk a little too much and I didn't find it too bad. mind you I can hardle taste 2ml of it in a pint of water!

 

[DS_]

I did a very silly thing earlier today. Had nowt other than water to hand to swill a dose down with and for some insane reason decided to try milk. Wouldn't recommend it. Seemed to coat my mouth with a vile combination of milkiness and plasticky geeb taste that lingered for ages. Ick.

Eugh. I've done this as well. It's fucking horrible as you said. Why didn't you just do it with water?

 

[bignbrown]

out of interest shambles, how do you fit doing 50ml of gbl into a single day lol, i think i do 20 at most.

Speaking of this i recently got a 200ml bottle, about 60ml in and about an hour and a half after a dose, i feel the start of withdrawal coming on, i cant beleive how quickly it hits me.

I am prepared this time, i got pregablin script on repeat for anxiety now (was extremely pleased with this, as whilst im on this gbl, im not using it for now so have some saved up) and also some xanax, so think ill be able to stop no problem.

 

[SnrG]

out of interest shambles, how do you fit doing 50ml of gbl into a single day lol, i think i do 20 at most.

Speaking of this i recently got a 200ml bottle, about 60ml in and about an hour and a half after a dose, i feel the start of withdrawal coming on, i cant beleive how quickly it hits me.

I am prepared this time, i got pregablin script on repeat for anxiety now (was extremely pleased with this, as whilst im on this gbl, im not using it for now so have some saved up) and also some xanax, so think ill be able to stop no problem.

Fully agree. I got pregabalin on recommendation from a psychiatrist for anxiety, though by then I was in full g grip. After, I started gettting it, after hearing it was good for wd from g. Also, invented a back spasm to get baclofen. The two together totally kill G withdrawals.

 

[SnrG]

ps - tried the milk effort for a while. made me sick. if you put it in enough water, its much better. Best though is with any sort of cordial - I can't taste it at all !! Don't mix it with coke though - it seems to accentuate the foul G taste.

 

[bignbrown]

how often does it take for others to start feeling really shit after stopping G, my starts at 1.30 hours, some anxiety then slowly increases through the day, it seems quicker as a mate of mine said he felt no withdrawals til about 6-8 hours then jsut started throwing up and got more severe from there.