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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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Shambles is indestructible.Or his dopamine system/serotonin system/Glutamate system is rigged up totally differently to others.
I've never been physically addicted to alcohol, yet considering the amount I've drained and how often it is some type of miracle.
He loves MDPV. I've never dared touch that stuff because it would no doubt give me a panic attack with 1mg.
Fuck it, I'm going to talk about pregabalin with le docteur.
My problem now is working out how far to go down the route of opiates.......already problems occuring. I may have to go to Turning Point and see what they can help me with.

GBL, oh so many good things you did for me. Yet I don't think about taking it at all since coming off it, via 4 days of gin + unsafeness galore. It stopped my drinking and gave me a normal persons confidence, now I have to see how to stop feeling like killing myself or burning things some other way.
 
^ I think you know fine well just how far down the opiate path you should travel, BB. It truly is the Road to Nowhere and it gets kinda rough and potholed sooner than you'd think. Tread careful <3

65daysofstatic said:
how much do you do a day?
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Recently it's varied between 15 and 30ml a day but is down from 50ml+ a day so heading in the right direction, I suppose. I am far from indestructible (despite what BB may think ;)) but my level of use of certain substances - and GBL is one of them - does appear to be unusually high and most certainly should not be used to gauge anybody else's use. I've used so many drugs for so many years my neurochemistry is probably fried or summat 8)
 
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My palms have been sweating like fuck, which is noradrenaline overload.... no downers for me today until I slipped and fell into 300mg codeine....though that's only because I'm wondering about withdrawal of everything.
 
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I have absolutely no tolerance to this drug. My sweet spot is 1.3ml, I do it once a day (although I didn't do any since thursday), but if I do 1.4ml it's bye-bye to la-la land (and it's not very pleasant).
I can redose (but I don't), but same thing, a tenth of a ml makes all the difference, even after 4 months of on and off daily use (once a day).

How can you guys take these massive amounts without falling on the carpet for a solid sleep?
 
loulou reed said:
I have absolutely no tolerance to this drug. My sweet spot is 1.3ml, I do it once a day (although I didn't do any since thursday), but if I do 1.4ml it's bye-bye to la-la land (and it's not very pleasant).
I can redose (but I don't), but same thing, a tenth of a ml makes all the difference, even after 4 months of on and off daily use (once a day).

How can you guys take these massive amounts without falling on the carpet for a solid sleep?
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I'm the same. 1ml is my sweet spot.
 
people just have different sweet spots, doesn't even seem dependent on weight or anything
i have known people who have required less than a millilitre to those who require over 3 to get to where they want to be. mine is 1.7-2ml and doesn't seem to alter with use/breaks
 
Mine doesn't alter with use either. The dose for sleeping may increase slightly during addiction but that's about it.
 
My actual doses never exceed 2.3-2.5ml with 1.5-2ml being my average dose range - I just seem to need to redose more often than most and take it from the moment I wake till the moment I sleep which is how it gets so high. Especially when you factor in my natural insomniac tendencies and semi-regular stim use - it's easy to slip into massive totals without really realising it sometimes. And I do collapse in a heap on a semi-regular basis too. Never used to but has happened a lot recently - cracked my head a good 'un a few weeks back and came round in a pool of blood. It's not easy being a drug pig 8)

PS: I have never used it to sleep though. I have a pet theory - based on negligible evidence - that those that use it to sleep experience worse problems with addiction and withdrawal as it seems to be one factor that is common between those that do. It really is just a pet theory based on nothing but a handful of posts from those who experience severe problems with it though.
 
I have a doctors appointment booked for wednesday. This was booked several days ago at the request of family as they told me I needed help with mood, depressive tendencies etc.

Now my problem with GBL abuse in the past is that I've used alcohol and benzos fairly regularly too. Shambles I believe you have told me there is no cross tolerance between alcohol/benzos and GBL being from different GHB receptors but there is still various interactions?

I basically seem to have to be on a gaba subtance to achieve any normality. I've just drank quite a bit of vodka and feel largely ok now. The constant perception of pain in my head has gone and I think I'll hopefully sleep ok. With regard to benzos, I got into a habit of using small doses of nitrazepam and valium semi regularly, maybe every couple of days or so. firstly I used benzos just for comedowns. Then it became an occasional additional night for a good sleep and before I knew it I was using them rather regularly to combat hangovers and the GBL rebound too. Then it became a way to kill anxiety from general GABA withdrawal.

I've had no benzos since Tuesday night, when I had 1mg xanax. Previously to that as I say valium and nitrazepam was consumed fairly regularly (say 5-10mg every 2 or 3 days).

Now I don't want to go to the doctor and sound like a complete and utter junkie and end up being seen as some sort of drug seeker. Plus in the UK I'm told your file is marked if you admit to prescriptive drug abuse and this can fuck you up for the future. In saying that, my life is so ridiculously shit and hapless right now that I'm not really sure if I give a fuck about the future. BUT, I don't want to be denied necessary medication when I'm older because I'd told the doctors once that I used benzos 8).

Baaaaaah i can't think very great just now. Basically, I don't know what to say to the doctor. Do I just tell the truth? Ideally I'd get a Pregabalin or Baclofen script but I don't want to fuck things up and I'm not sure what I should say. For the record despite abusing 3 gaba substances I'd say GBL is the only one im psychologically addicted to. I don't get that great effects from alcohol and benzos.
 
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Best thing to tell your doctor is always the truth in my opinion, 65. I've never lied to my doctors about my abuse of any drug - including prescription drugs like benzos - and have never had a problem getting a prescription if necessary. Not all doctors are as understanding of course, but in my experience honesty works every time. I hope you have as much luck with yours <3
 
thought i was ok with gbl, despite having a benzo problem already, but ive noticed after waking up from gbl sleep ive been feeling increasingly nausous, just woke up this time and feel very sick, everything kind of seems surreal/weird/mildy trippy, feel a bit confused (went to go for cig, pulled one cig out and forgot about it, then pulled another out and realised) physically just feel weird, not really pain just weird, feel almost detatched/dissocated sort of feeling, looked at myself in the mirror and pupils were big and just felt really weird.

i think i should just stop the gbl and get back on the valium low doses and come off that.

fuckk
 
so ive got myself into a state of being hooked heavily on both benzos and gbl, i thought i could stop benzos and switch to gbl and it worked for about a week, but i was going through about 15ml a day, but only now ive realised how bad the wd's are from that and ive had to take 10mg valium last night as i got insanely scaied i was going to have a seizure (woke up from g sleep in a weird delerious state, was slightly tripping, seeing flashing lights, heavily shaking and twitching), now the gbl wd's come about an hour after dosing heavily (been through it before you see, so caining 125ml in a week has brought them back heavily) and also have a benzo dependancy (tolerance is huge, neeed a good 4-6mg xanax for decent effects, 60-100mg valium too).

im really fucked, i dont know what to do, dont want to lie to my doc and drug support worker as they;ve been really helping but think ive stopped all recreational drugs and am on 20mg valium a day.
 
You're right Shambles about once you start using it for sleep (started for me when I was coming down off stims) it fucks you over much more in terms of w/d. Never had a problem with it before then but now i'm fucked. :! I hate waking up every four hours and having to dose just to sleep long enough. Argh and i recently stopped myself but the rebound anxiety and habit I guess was too much so I caved in and bought another litre.

Whats the best way to get off this shit? I have access to benzo's which I have no tolerance to or do you just have to man up and deal with the rebound anxiety? It just seems to last forever! :( Help guys...
 
Whenever I've gotten to the point where I couldn't sleep without dosing I've gone without sleep until I'm so tired I can't help but sleep. The thought of having to dose myself unconscious through the night always felt like a Really Bad Idea to me so I never have. Being exhausted and unable to sleep is all kinds of shit but better than the alternative to me. Of course that isn't necessarily practical for everyone - it's no great problem for me to spend even more hours bumming around BL but I don't have to be up for work or deal with people so it really doesn't matter how broken my sleep pattern gets beyond being shit for me until it's fixed. If you can do it, I'd put up with feeling a bit shit to avoid feeling a whole lot more shit further down the road though.

As for coming off the stuff, some find they can taper - reduce your dose by maybe 0.1ml a day although some do it much more rapidly - but others find it impossible. Some find switching to GHB helps. Some say phenibut is the answer. Some say Baclofen. Some just bite the bullet and to it chilly poultry stylee. If you check back through this thread there are various methods discussed but there doesn't seem to be one way that works for everybody. Even the heaviest of addictions have mostly been broken though so it can most certainly be done. Just gonna be a bit shit for a while unfortunately :\
 
Now getting intense stomach pains, intense naeusea, weird vision,almost deleriant style, and im a benzo addict too, great, shal i just switch to just valium?
 
Warning signs for seizures tend to be coming round after having a seizure :\

What you describe sounds more like fairly common effects of too much geebee and/or geebee withdrawal to me though. The amounts you have been using don't seem too excessive so a seizure would seem unlikely to me. Am certainly no doctor though. If you have someone around who can stay with you and make sure you don't go flop-flop then that may be a good idea. Even if only to put your mind at rest and give you something other than feeling like crap to take your mind off things.

In your situation I would personally look to either tapering my GBL doses down slowly rather than try to turkey it out or use low-dose diaz as needed. Maybe even a few beers to chase the jitters away. Be very careful adding CNS depressants to the mix and keep any you do use at the lowest possible level though and if you have someone around to keep you company all the better. If not then stay online and we'll try to keep you occupied for a while :)
 
thanks shambles, i will do, yeah it doesnt seem like that bigger amount, but ive cained it before it the past and withdrawn, and as people say, withdrawal gets more intense each time, ive got through 3/4 of my 250ml bottle in about 10 days, pretty much 24/7, it kept me off benzos but i guess now when its wearing off its benzo wd and G wd, so thats why im worried about the seizure thing, but yeah i think im gonna have to stick to low dose benzos and get my taper sorted out by docs/drug clinic next week. :(
 
I'm almost 48 hours clear. Just spent today in bed, got no energy to do anything.

My main thing just now is just avoiding people and staying on my own. My family keep shouting at me which does my anxiety and situation no help. I'm telling them I'm ill and to leave me alone biut they don't fucking listen. By tomorrow hopefully I'll be getting back to normal.
 
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