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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread - Version II

Treacle

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I've posted plenty of information in the GBL/GHB Withdrawal thread. After about 50 G withdrawals and ending up on phenibut, I couldn't taper off it. I could take a large dose and feel some relief, but my tolerance would just keep going up until I hit a wall. Lower doses would leave me in withdrawal and I basically had to take small doses and suffer badly, for about 5 days. You're lucky you've not got to the point where you simply can't taper, without horrendous consequences. It seems that battering GABA receptors eventually leads to a situation where you can't even take a single dose, without suffering. I haven't had any G or phenibut for about 18 months, but if I did 50mls of G over a couple of days, I'd be in instant withdrawal, when it ran out. Good luck staying off it.
 
Cheers Treacle, agree this thread belongs in the GBL / GHB Withdrawal Thread where there's a vast amount of useful information and support. and many thanks to you for looking out and supporting people going through this hell I've been there too many times :|

rickolasnice if you have an issue with me moving this thread pm me honey. hoping the best for you babes <3
 
OK maybe not an opiate but "7-Hydroxymitragynine, an indole, is an active alkaloid in the plant Mitragyna speciosa, commonly known as Kratom. It has opioid agonistic activity.."
 
it seems like GBl isnt as widely used anymore as it once was..am i right?even on bluelight there doesnt seem to be much talk about it as compared to other..makes me wonder why because when used correctly, its some of the best stuff out there...

rickasnice-any updates on your detox?
 
I think you're right there belfort, its a shame because it seems to have such potential as an alcohol replacement, but there are few people who seem interested in it.
 
Ya i started using again last week.. yesterday i took a rather hefty dose of 6ml (tryin to knock myself out cos i was ill.. ended up stayin awake anyway..) at about half 3pm.. havn't done anymore since.. stupidly while i was taking GBL again i carried on taking about 3gs of phenibut a day.. i've only taken 2100mgs phenibut today.. and 2 cans of union black cider (4.2 units a can) and feel ok.. will probably take another 900mgs to help me sleep tonight.. then tomorrow its my birthday so you know im gna be taking GBL.. but like i said it's the phenibut im addicted to.. got no problems going without the G.. proper stopping the G and taperin the phenibut will commence next week..

Oh yeah and i took about 6 x 50mg diphenyhdramine to help me get to sleep / stay asleep (4 before sleep, 2 more when i woke up in the middle of the night)

Shambles.. a few questions if i may?

How much GBL were you taking and for how long?
And then how much phenibut were you taking for how long?

Thanks.
 
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rickolasnice-what about a long slow taper of phenibut?like tapering 100 mgs a day, wouldnt this be painless?

transform-yes i view ghb/gbl as much superior to alcohol..when it comes to the actual effects(high), side effects and toxicity ghb is much super imo..ghb is quite simply amazing when it comes to giving me energy AND calming me down..alcohol just chills me out and numbs me anymore..given the right dose of ghb, i become very empathetic and feel close to people without feeling sloppy like when drinking alcohol..plus, i like that i dont have to piss every 2 minutes on ghb like i do alcohol..lol..the only area alcohol is superior is the length of effects and that it is socially acceptable and legal of course...other than that, ghb all the way..plus, who can forget the insane sexual boost that ghb gives you..no hangover either

but addiction is most definitely possible with ghb/gbl but how common is it?do most people end up getting adicted to it?i can only comment on ghb when it was popular back in the 90s..out of a group of 30-40 people that were taking it, only 1-2 of them got addicted to it..
 
I was heavily addicted to GHB at first, rinsing a 500ML tub or more a day (20G NaGHB), for many months. I then got lazy and switched to just taking GBL without conversion, harsh on the liver and everything else on the system. Was also addicted to zopiclone for sleep, taking 4 or 5 7.5mg a night to counteract the rebound. I was dosing 3ML GBL every 1-2 hours and taking mephedrone like it was flour. Bad times. Then came the police raid, stopped everything dead - so switched to Vodka, over three months upto 1.4Litres a day, what a mess I was in. Went to Detox and was prescribed high doses of Librium (Chlordiazepoxide), 260mg first day, tapering down to 30mg on day 14, sorted out all wd symtomps from the G n alcohol. I'm now on maintenance with a drug called Baclofen (which my GP initially wouldn't prescribe), only 30MG a day. It has an affinity of the GABAb receptor and keeps craving for G to an absoloute minimum. You can buy it at online pharmacies fairly cheaply - it was recommended to me by a specilist Lonodn clinic who deal with GBL withdrawal.

I've learned a leason of respect with G, although I was a heavy drinker for 10 years, which now at 33 has stopped. The body still craves GABA activity, and I use phenibut once a week (again ran into trouble with this in withdrawals) and etizolam as a benzo similar drug which isn't classified. It's nice to switch off from life now and then and I'm coping well now.

Number one rule with G (as I started with for a few months), 15ML x 3 in the evening replaced all alcohol drinking, and as long as last dose was finished by 20:00, bed at 00:00 wasn't and issue with rebound. Oh, the olden days!
 
belfort said:
rickolasnice-what about a long slow taper of phenibut?like tapering 100 mgs a day, wouldnt this be painless?

transform-yes i view ghb/gbl as much superior to alcohol..when it comes to the actual effects(high), side effects and toxicity ghb is much super imo..ghb is quite simply amazing when it comes to giving me energy AND calming me down..alcohol just chills me out and numbs me anymore..given the right dose of ghb, i become very empathetic and feel close to people without feeling sloppy like when drinking alcohol..plus, i like that i dont have to piss every 2 minutes on ghb like i do alcohol..lol..the only area alcohol is superior is the length of effects and that it is socially acceptable and legal of course...other than that, ghb all the way..plus, who can forget the insane sexual boost that ghb gives you..no hangover either

but addiction is most definitely possible with ghb/gbl but how common is it?do most people end up getting adicted to it?i can only comment on ghb when it was popular back in the 90s..out of a group of 30-40 people that were taking it, only 1-2 of them got addicted to it..
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I know if I dose daily for a week (and that's not even dosing every few hours) i'll sweat like a madman and feel a bit off and cold the next following days. Physical addiction kicks in really fast IME

I have no problems at all staying off it though. Tolerance bums me out quite fast and that makes the drug boring (empathy/euphoria > sedation/falling asleep)

Also GHB dick is a miracle
 
^^even after using once a day you experience withdrawals?with once a day use i have never experienced any withdrawals..i have used 2-3 times in a day for several days and the next day go without using and not notice anything different..maybe increased boredom but thats it..

i do agree though that in all my experience you really cannot use ghb/gbl more than once a day and still have it maintain its charm..i have found when i dose early in the day it feels fantastic(empathy, energy, mood lift) but if i dose later on that same night i almost get the opposite effects..i get sedated, dulled out, i become more apathetic so this in a way almost helps one not use it so compulsively i guess..

theres just nothing else i have taken that both give me alot of energy(not tweaker energy either) AND completely chills me out as well..plus, socially ghb cannot be beaten imo..
 
james0478 said:
harsh on the liver and everything else on the system
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Simply not true. No organs are harmed by it. It's possibly better for you, due to the lack of sodium content - which would be a strain on the kidneys, if you were on loads of GHB.
 
Treacle said:
Simply not true. No organs are harmed by it. It's possibly better for you, due to the lack of sodium content - which would be a strain on the kidneys, if you were on loads of GHB.
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Organs are harmed if you take GBL, whicdh converts in-vivo and it extremely harsh on the liver. GHB is a naturally occuring substance in the body, so the liver has no need to process anything. GHB is expelled through the body by
 
At least finish your sentence. GBL is processed in the BLOOD into GHB. The liver plays little, or no part in this process. If you can post some proper sources (which I highly doubt), then please, go ahead. 1,4-Butanediol, on the other hand, is as harmful - if not more, than alcohol. That is processed by liver, by the same mechanism as ethanol. Try reading the threads, before you make outlandish claims. This is a factual board.
 
1,4-BD at least has no toxic metabolites, which is what really causes a lot of problems in alcohol.


All existing evidence suggests that pure GBL is physically very benign when taken diluted with something safe.
 
As someone who's been since July after a drinking problem that devleoped over about 10 years but got really bad over about the last 3, I tried GBL and GHB , both made me puke at any active level, even dosing really low the naseau was always there. To be fair I seem to be in the minority with this reaction.

However from what I've read about both substances they seem to have addiction profiles which are certainly as bad as alcohol if not worse, I thought I'd read that GHB was devleoped for this purpose and assumed had been discounted due to its addictive qualities.

Its hard to judge without any real evidence but user for user it certainly seems like more people get into trouble with GHB / GBL than they do with straight alcohol.

My Alcohol withdrawal with dealt with using benzos and whilst I have a benzo problem anyhow I've stayed away from the booze and it wasnt to bumpy on the way down and I did stop using benzos for a good while after stopping the booze, just slipped up agian of late:\
 
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Used to get nausea too when I started but worked on it 8) and like a lot of people got caught... It really hurt my guts though, sore tummy n' that kind of thing.
 
^^^

I tried and tried hence the conversion to GHB to see of that would be any better (I'd made an investment !) but I just could get along with it despite my persistence:) Lucky really because I would have definitely ended up 24/7 given what others have said about it, if I had developed a taste especially GBL I liked the "kick your in the face" nature of it and the option to just take something that would knock me out for a bit.
It seemed to me GBL had much more addiction potential than GHB, another strike for prohibition 8)

At least I got something to clean my wheels with =D
 
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