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The gateway drug discussions thread

while I don't agree with the gateway drug theory, personally I think its a bunch of horse shit, I can see how people believe in it.

Most can agree that almost all drug users started with marijuana (out of the illegal drugs not alcohol/tobacco) this does not necessarily lead to harder drug use though.

My mom put it pretty well, once your try an illegal drug you think wow that didn't make me drop out/become a loser/quit all sports etc.. This mindset may in some people transfer to other drugs. Thats how it was for me personally, no one ever made me try anything else but when dood say's he's got some rolls or mushrooms I think hey marijuana didn't do what the government said it did so these other drugs probably aren't so bad either...

Now it wasn't exactly like that, after trying my first illegal drug (marijuana) I became a full fledged drug nerd researching all the chemicals I could. This fascination with altered states of consciousness and the way the black market works (hey can I get some weed, sorry I dont have any weed but I got these rolls you want some? You guys know how it goes) lead to my trying other, arguably "harder" drugs.

You guys feel me?
 
The drug that really set me off into trying all kinds of stuff was MDMA.
 
puckboy said:
The drug that really set me off into trying all kinds of stuff was MDMA.
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same here, I used to only smoke and then started rolling and when I first started rolling, thats when I first came here and started lurking, which led to my use now, which I couldnt ever be more happy with as I have the found best drugs of all, muahahaaaaaaa.

Thank You MDMA, you not only provided me some great times but you opened my eyes to a new world and to psychedelics =)
 
I always dismissed it as bollocks -- "gateway drug" is almost always used in reference to weed. I dismiss it because:
- It's presented as "almost every hard-drug addict started with weed". No shit sherlock. (already pointed out by Opiate 420)
- I used to work in an office full of weed smokers who didn't do any other drugs. Would happily smoke weed until they passed out, but mention MDMA and they'd treat you like a criminal. Seems to be a weird demographic layer of wannabe-yuppies.
- It wasn't true for me.


But, the comments here about MDMA as a gateway drug have made me reconsider. I don't like weed - for me, it has about the same pleasure/pain balance as alcohol. Unimpressive and often unpleasant.
MDMA on the other hand.... I was completely blown away, and of course it piqued my curiosity about all the other things I'd been told were bad, evil, etc..

I definitely agree with kaib0rg that it's just as much a misinformation problem. For example, I think coke is agreed to be overrated... but it's classified in the same category in the UK as MDMA -- so I expected GREAT THINGS, based purely on its illegality. On the flipside, I've seen many comments about RCs saying "if it was any good it'd be illegal". We've been told one thing (drugs are BAD) and learned another through experience (drugs are AWESOME)...

I still dislike the term "gateway drug", though I'll now admit that MDMA was definitely a gateway drug for me. The term bothers me, because it places the blame on the drug, which is just wrong. I tried more things because I wanted to, not because MDMA compelled me to.
 
Marijuana is a gateway to the blackmarket of drug sales. But that is about as far as it goes for me
 
I think MDMA is more of a gateway drug. Just because I was always afraid to touch anything other than weed and at some point I got the balls to try ecstasy. After that I haven't really gave a shit what to try. I mean after that I tried LSD, Oxycontin, Xanax, Coke, and Meth. But if you went with the true gateway theory then wouldn't caffeine be a gateway drug? I mean it's the most commonly used and most always first to try when it comes to psychoactive substances.
 
I can't speak for anyone else as i only know how my own guliver works.

i had what you might call a gateway conversation when i was 13. Someone explained LSD to me. How the brain reduces all stimuli and gives us a limited experience and understanding of existence, and how LSD liberates the mind and opens the doors to a larger experience. (quoting Stanislav Grof here to sum up the convo)

in half an hour I went from being totally brainwashed by all the bullshit, scarelore and anti drug commercials, saying "i will never ever take drugs" to wanting to take acid more than anything in the world.

I was told to try weed before i tried LSD so i smoked some hash as a formality and then a few weeks later got what i really wanted.

I didn't start taking drugs because the cool kids were doing it or because i thought i was going to see Mickey Mouse juggling dildos in my living room. I started taking drugs because i wasn't satisfied with my understanding of myself or my universe
 
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Personally I feel that alcohol is more of a 'gateway' drug than anything else. You know how it is, people get drunk and will do almost anything regardless of what it is or what the consequences may be.
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very true
when intoxicated most feel more confident in taking drugs

seen many of my friends do this

but any way i think marijuana is the drug everyone starts off on because its the easiest and most available to get a hold at and is cheap
 
kaib0rg said:
i think the term "gateway drug" stems largely from misinformation (specifically about marijuana). when it's pounded into your head (practically from birth) that marijuana is an evil substance that will essentially ruin you life--and then you try it and it's nothing like anything you've been warned about--you start to wonder "hey, what else have i been blatantly lied to about?"

and then the experimentation begins.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!

Perfect. :)
 
People see weed as a gateway drug to others only because it is usually the drug most people try first. Most people I know started off with weed because they believed it was the least powerful. I think this is due to the fact if you are caught with it you get a warning and let off.
 
What I think is that cannabis smoking actually does somewhat increase chances of doing harder drugs. But the thing is, it's not because of the actual cannabis, it's because our whole lives in school we've been taught as cannabis being an extremely horrible drug that will lead you to killing people, but when we try it, it's not that bad, so we wonder about the other harder drugs. Another reason, is that weed is a low profit drug, dealers don't want to be wasting opportunity money, so they sell other drugs as well, whenever you buy weed they might offer you some other harder drug, and due to the previous statement you might be interested.

On the other hand, if marijuana was legalized, there would be no confusion about the effects of cannabis, and the shops wouldn't sell hard drugs along with weed.
 
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IMO, its the experiance from the drug that makes you want to do other drugs...

They should say that marijuana is a drug of gateway experiances :D
 
When I was young, I imagined high to be some weird form of drunk, but once I got high it opened my mind to a new universe. And I wanted to explore. And I think also people try it and think 'Hey I've been lied to half my life' and start trying new things
 
Def don't mind the name change buddy. Thanks Swilow for moving this to the right place. I agree with almost all of your answers. I think its hard to say if its true or not, but hearing all these responses is great! Thanks guys.
 
ok so i dont nessacerally SP? agree with the "gateway thoery" but there is defidentally (cant spell once again) truth behind it...

its like...

u do one drug (uusually a minor drug as in not like heroin or cocaine lol) and u realize that there is more/better drugs out there that give u a diferent experience or a more intense high or a preffered feeling or euphoria, or ALL THE ABOVE

so u try them and then u find the one u like the most and get addicted...

i mean that can be a theory on its own. its the same concept, different wording..

and if u dont agree with this post then ur nuts lol
 
Someone who smokes pot obviously has certain personality traits. They are obviously curious to try altered states of consciousness and probably enjoy them, they also obviously are not morally opposed to breaking the law to experience an altered state of consciousness.

Add those two personality traits with the fact that weed is usually the cheapest and most available drug to someone just getting into drugs. Also the fact that nobody has EVER died makes it a more comfortable place to start because you don't have that to worry about. When you buy weed you are introduced to a black market where other drugs become available, if it was legal like alcohol or tobacco this would not be the case.

I think when you examine all these factors it is plain OBVIOUS that if someone is inclined to try drugs that marijuana will likely be first and that if someone is willing to try cannabis they would be equally willing to try atleast some form(s) of illicit drugs regardless of how they enjoyed cannabis or if it was the first available to them.

I think in America where this is a big pharm scene and they are cheap recreational pharmaceuticals will increasingly become the first (technically) illegal drugs used by young people looking to experiment, because they are cheap and often readily available in the schoolyard and have the perception of being safer since they are quality controlled.

The gateway drug theory is total bullshit imho. They have looked at a bunch of facts and statistics what is obvious correlation they instead called it causation and it is just propaganda and nonsense.
 
I've always been fascinated by drugs, particularly heroin, mostly from hearing about muscicans i liked being addcits and what was it about drugs that was so special that they were regarded as so evil by society. It just so happened that weed was the first illegal drug i tried but chances are i wouldnt have tried other things if not for having thc first.
 
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