Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[JessFR]

Which is why democrats are fighting this. Because it's beyond obvious that it's all bullshit. It's just a wannabe dictator trying to cling to power in a democracy.

He had his chance to prove actual fraud. There's a legal system. He commands the executive. He claimed this fraud was coming for months.

If there were actual fraud you'd think he'd have a rock solid case to bring. But he doesn't. Which is why the courts keep throwing it out.

And it's why the Supreme Court won't help either. Because it's not that every lower court in everyone of these in some cases very right wing states, with right wing, in some cases trump appointee judges.

It's just that there's no evidence. And unlike regular people, judges are trained and aren't gonna buy an argument with the same shoddy evidence most voters will.

Vague claims about conspiracies Non particularized theories, Affidavits by people with obvious biases and that conflict with known facts. None of that is the kinda evidence that you can use to overturn any votes.

Burying people in insinuations and eye witnesses is how you win over voters. It won't work on judges.

 

[dalpat077]

@dalpat077, the problem isn't that trump can't institute martial law. The problem is that doing it won't help him.

He could do it, say OK I'm instituting martial law. But on noon January 20, his term will end. The electoral college will not have voted for him, which means no matter who's president his orders aren't valid anymore. The codes to the nuclear football will expire and become useless. Biden will then be sworn in and simply lift the martial law order.

Anyone who defies Bidens order at that point in the executive will be party to a coup and be guilty of insurrection against the United States.

And I promise you, the military WILL back Biden in this scenario.

That's why it's not a concern.

Even if Biden weren't inaugurated, trump still can't remain. His term would expire and continuity of government procedures would take effect instead.

There's simply no way he can continue to give orders after Jan 20. America isn't like some other countries. The president doesn't simply remain until a new president is elected. Even if you don't consider the previous election valid that doesn't matter either, he actually has to be reelected in his own right to continue.

Well. I'm not going to argue.

Albeit that I don't agree.

We're either reading different things or interpreting the sames things differently.

I'm willing to bet that SOMEWHERE within all the legal jargon (or however you want to describe it) there's some exception to some rule to some statute to some article to some amendment that will allow the President to assume extraordinary powers under a given set of circumstances. And for all I know and if I'm right: the only reason why we've not gotten to that point is that it's OBVIOUSLY an extreme measure or measure of last resort. And again for all I know and if I'm right: it'd be the equivalent of a stay of execution i.e. putting the whole shambles on hold until something else could be worked out (whatever that may be). Whether or not Trump is THAT dedicated to the/his cause: I don't know.

Here's something to ponder (bearing in mind that Russia too, believe it or not, has, and had at the time, a Constitution):

Do you think that Putin's opposition years back for one minute even considered the possibility that a) he could be President for his initial term then b) appoint a Prime Minister puppet to keep his seat warm then c) come back again to be President then d) ensure that he remains in office until 2036? But Putin outgunned, outsmarted, and outmaneuvered the lot of them. Now don't get me wrong. Trump (surprise surprise) isn't worthy of kissing President Putin's shoes (there: I've now come out of the closet and said it). But he's not stupid. He may not be cunning and ruthless and omnipotent. But he's not stupid. (Then again time will tell if I'm wrong on the ruthless bit).

ALL I'm trying to get at or argue (for the sake of it now I suppose) is that nothing is impossible and to not go thinking that you're THAT different from other countries. Remember something: at the end of the day you're still dealing with the people. And as I tried to reiterate in one of my earlier posts (that was TOO LONG FOR SOME TO BE BOTHERED TO READ! ): this is WAY past Trump and the Republicans or Biden and the Democrats. This is more about populism and liberalism and the global movement toward trying to force us all to put blinkers on and force us to believe that we're all pink or green and that everybody can come and go and do as they please and without consequence. And THAT, my dear friend, is what irks me about all of this. There are VERY few bastions of strength left where this is NOT acceptable. And America, up until now, is (was?) one of them.

Anyway. As noted before: not going to change my life in spite of my giving a shit. And frankly: I don't know why I keep this up i.e. cannot help myself (although I suspect my last few statements above are probably the reason) and keep coming back for more punishment. Fact of the matter is that I have shit to sort out (and neither Trump, Biden, nor Santa Claus himself are going to be of any assistance so time I get on with it).

 

[JessFR]

And Trump is not a fascist or a dictator or anything else i.e. I'm so tired of hearing that. The man believes, and not without good reason, that something just isn't right with these election results.

I must submit that you have absolutely no idea what kinda man trump is.

Trump is a narcissist, he only cares about stroking his ego. Which is why he can't stand the idea of having lost the election, to anyone. He NEEDS there to be fraud. For the sake of his own self worth.

That you can't see it makes me think that either you aren't very familiar with trump, or you're not a very good judge of character.

I feel bad saying that because I quite like you. I like that you post on ceps. And while I may not agree with you, unlike some people I'd honestly he very sorry to see you go. So I don't want that to come off sounding insulting.

It's not personal at all, I just think you're very mistaken in your impression of the kinda man trump is.

I believe Trump is absolutely the kinda man that would he be a dictator, someone like the Kim family or Hitler or any number of other dictators. We're just fortunate that the political and social climate hasn't happened to provide an environment for those worst qualities of his personality to manifest.

Kinda like how not all psychopaths will ever kill anyone. Most won't,even the ones that absolutely have the capacity too. It's just some won't ever be in an environment that will bring it out in them.

That's what I think Trump is as far as being a dictator. He's not one today, but he's the kinda person who easily would be if you put him in the right environment.

 

[JessFR]

Well. I'm not going to argue.

Albeit that I don't agree.

We're either reading different things or interpreting the sames things differently.

I'm willing to bet that SOMEWHERE within all the legal jargon (or however you want to describe it) there's some exception to some rule to some statute to some article to some amendment that will allow the President to assume extraordinary powers under a given set of circumstances. And for all I know and if I'm right: the only reason why we've not gotten to that point is that it's OBVIOUSLY an extreme measure or measure of last resort. And again for all I know and if I'm right: it'd be the equivalent of a stay of execution i.e. putting the whole shambles on hold until something else could be worked out (whatever that may be). Whether or not Trump is THAT dedicated to the/his cause: I don't know.

Here's something to ponder (bearing in mind that Russia too, believe it or not, has, and had at the time, a Constitution):

Do you think that Putin's opposition years back for one minute even considered the possibility that a) he could be President for his initial term then b) appoint a Prime Minister puppet to keep his seat warm then c) come back again to be President then d) ensure that he remains in office until 2036? But Putin outgunned, outsmarted, and outmaneuvered the lot of them. Now don't get me wrong. Trump (surprise surprise) isn't worthy of kissing President Putin's shoes (there: I've now come out of the closet and said it). But he's not stupid. He may not be cunning and ruthless and omnipotent. But he's not stupid. (Then again time will tell if I'm wrong on the ruthless bit).

ALL I'm trying to get at or argue (for the sake of it now I suppose) is that nothing is impossible and to not go thinking that you're THAT different from other countries. Remember something: at the end of the day you're still dealing with the people. And as I tried to reiterate in one of my earlier posts (that was TOO LONG FOR SOME TO BE BOTHERED TO READ! ): this is WAY past Trump and the Republicans or Biden and the Democrats. This is more about populism and liberalism and the global movement toward trying to force us all to put blinkers on and force us to believe that we're all pink or green and that everybody can come and go and do as they please and without consequence. And THAT, my dear friend, is what irks me about all of this. There are VERY few bastions of strength left where this is NOT acceptable. And America, up until now, is (was?) one of them.

Anyway. As noted before: not going to change my life in spite of my giving a shit. And frankly: I don't know why I keep this up i.e. cannot help myself (although I suspect my last few statements above are probably the reason) and keep coming back for more punishment. Fact of the matter is that I have shit to sort out (and neither Trump, Biden, nor Santa Claus himself are going to be of any assistance so time I get on with it).

Bet all you like, but there isn't. The constitution overrides all other law, it is the absolute Supreme law of the land. And it provides absolutely no way around it. Trump has to be reelected to stay in office.

The ONLY way anything like what you describe could happen, is if Biden died, and when trumps term expires the house of representatives appoints him back again.

Super unlikely, but that's it. There are no other avenues for it to happen.

Russias constitution is irrelevant. It's not that America has a constitution that's why this won't happen. It's what's written in the constitution, and faaar more importantly, it's the level of worship that exists in the constitution in American culture.

Ultimately laws are a question of might makes right. Their power only exists if there is force to back it up. In this context that force is the military. And the American military has a long tradition and a rock solid system to keep it unpoliticized, and keep it loyal to the law and not a specific president.

That's why your hypothetical won't happen. It's not just that there's no legal avenue. It's that there absolutely no realistic prospect that the military would back Trump under such a hypothetical.

Trump can do whatever illegal shit he wants. He has zero respect for his office or the law. But when his term expires, and there is absolutely NO way to extend it at this point, NONE. when his term expires, Biden will be sworn in.

And I absolutely promise you, at that moment, virtually the entire executive and military will come undrt Bidens control and follow Bidens order. And trumps day will be over.

The examples you give are where there is both a much less strong legal and cultural framework preventing dictators taking over. Putin and others are able to directly influence the military and the government system in ways trump never has.

See for yourself. I've said what's going to happen. Keep it in mine.

Scotus will throw out the challenge, if they even hear it. The electoral college will elect Biden. Trump will either let it happen, or very unlikely, will be escorted from the Whitehouse in the 20th. And Biden will become the president.

That's what will happen, you will see.

 

[dalpat077]

I didn't say I was going anywhere!

Besides: you and I BOTH know only too well that this thread is like a fucking very powerful magnet (oddly enough and in context the word "addiction" comes to mind)! So chances of me actually being able to help myself are absolutely nil!

But right at this moment: I know for sure that there's more pressing things that I need to be doing that's all.

As for me being a bad judge of character? Nah. I don't think so. I like you don't I?

As for Trump: told you before that from what I gather he's not the type of person I'd have around for dinner. And I'm sure there's a LOT of truth in your assessment and judgement of him. But that's just my point. Assuming that you're 100% on the mark where he is concerned: it gives even MORE credence to that which I have hypothesized. To me: this is a debate. I'm merely trying to present an alternate point of view. If we all felt the same way: this thread wouldn't be longer than one page! That being said and in light of my closing arguments in my previous post: like him or not he's the only face that America has that's not going to simply allow a free-for-all in America. It is what it is.

 

[dalpat077]

Bet all you like, but there isn't. The constitution overrides all other law, it is the absolute Supreme law of the land. And it provides absolutely no way around it. Trump has to be reelected to stay in office.

The ONLY way anything like what you describe could happen, is if Biden died, and when trumps term expires the house of representatives appoints him back again.

Super unlikely, but that's it. There are no other avenues for it to happen.

Russias constitution is irrelevant. It's not that America has a constitution that's why this won't happen. It's what's written in the constitution, and faaar more importantly, it's the level of worship that exists in the constitution in American culture.

Ultimately laws are a question of might makes right. Their power only exists if there is force to back it up. In this context that force is the military. And the American military has a long tradition and a rock solid system to keep it unpoliticized, and keep it loyal to the law and not a specific president.

That's why your hypothetical won't happen. It's not just that there's no legal avenue. It's that there absolutely no realistic prospect that the military would back Trump under such a hypothetical.

Trump can do whatever illegal shit he wants. He has zero respect for his office or the law. But when his term expires, and there is absolutely NO way to extend it at this point, NONE. when his term expires, Biden will be sworn in.

And I absolutely promise you, at that moment, virtually the entire executive and military will come undrt Bidens control and follow Bidens order. And trumps day will be over.

The examples you give are where there is both a much less strong legal and cultural framework preventing dictators taking over. Putin and others are able to directly influence the military and the government system in ways trump never has.

See for yourself. I've said what's going to happen. Keep it in mine.

Scotus will throw out the challenge, if they even hear it. The electoral college will elect Biden. Trump will either let it happen, or very unlikely, will be escorted from the Whitehouse in the 20th. And Biden will become the president.

That's what will happen, you will see.

Can I PLEASE go and do the dishes and finish the proposal I'm working on?

 

[JessFR]

Can I PLEASE go and do the dishes and finish the proposal I'm working on?

Awww, fiiiine.

 

[mal3volent]

So it looks like 22 states have joined TX's lawsuit

by "states" you mean "state attorneys general" who want to run for higher office and want the support of Trump during their campaigns.

 

[JessFR]

by "states" you mean "state attorneys general" who want to run for higher office and want the support of Trump during their campaigns.

Your correct use of grammar pleases me.

 

[dalpat077]

Has anybody in the history of this site ever asked for a voluntary temporary ban? As in like "Self Directed and Voluntary BL CEPS Rehab."?

 

[JessFR]

Has anybody in the history of this site ever asked for a voluntary temporary ban? As in like "Self Directed and Voluntary BL CEPS Rehab."?

I'm not sure. People often ask to be banned and for their accounts to be deleted. There's a post about the subject in site technical help I think.

I'm not sure if there's a policy regarding requested temporary bans.

But pleaaaase don't ask. We need all the nice awesome cooliemccoolerson trump supporters we can get.

 

[JessFR]

Soo you're not gonna ask to be banned right @dalpat077?

You're way too amazingmcawesomeface to wanna leave us!

 

[dalpat077]

I'm not sure. People often ask to be banned and for their accounts to be deleted. There's a post about the subject in site technical help I think.

I'm not sure if there's a policy regarding requested temporary bans.

But pleaaaase don't ask. We need all the nice awesome cooliemccoolerson trump supporters we can get.

Nah. Was just wondering (although the fact that it actually crossed my mind is worrying is it not)!

Don't worry (and don't others go getting too happy) as it wasn't an official request i.e. was just having a smoke break is all!

Suppose it'd be a futile exercise anyway as you'd still be able to view what's going on as a guest! Not to mention the fact that if something really rattled your cage you'd find some way to participate e.g. just create another account! It'd be a bit like being on a Crack binge, running out, but you know there's a pile of the shit in the strongroom. You'd find a way (well I would anyway) i.e. if you couldn't break the door down or jimmy the lock you'd tunnel in from underneath!

 

[JessFR]

Yay!

Man I miss having smoke breaks.

 

[AutoTripper]

I'll gladly leave. But do you think Alasdairm will leave if he loses? No chance.

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Well I have to say, I really do hope either of you can be the bigger man and NOT leave under any circumstances.

I would hate to see either of you actually "leave."

That sounds like bets children make? I mean we are all adults here right? Let's be mature and make the best decisions together, regardless of our beliefs.

 

[JessFR]

I'm afraid this town ain't big enough for the both of em.</southernaccent>

 

[JGrimez]

I don't mind leaving. This place is hella toxic and full of self-righteous lefty censorship. If the mods were unbiased then I'd like to stay but censorship is one of their tactics when they don't like your ideas (remember, proving someone wrong can be offensive and offending people is not allowed).

But thank you, Auto Tripper.

 

[JGrimez]

-The Joint Congressional Commission on Inauguration Ceremonies AGAIN voted down a resolution to acknowledge Joe Biden as president-elect. They're refusing to acknowledge Joe Biden as president-elect.

-At the end of the Arizona press conference, one of the legislators said "there's a lot happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of and I believe president Trump will be sworn in".

-Kamala Harris has not given up her senate seat in California yet. For comparison, Obama gave up his seat 3 full weeks earlier. He announced on November 13.

 

[JessFR]

-The Joint Congressional Commission on Inauguration Ceremonies AGAIN voted down a resolution to acknowledge Joe Biden as president-elect. They're refusing to acknowledge Joe Biden as president-elect.

Because Republicans are voting against it. It doesn't matter. Doesn't change anything.

-At the end of the Arizona press conference, one of the legislators said "there's a lot happening behind the scenes that we are not aware of and I believe president Trump will be sworn in".

Yahuh. Never mind that Arizona could give trump their electors (not that they will) and it still wouldn't change the result.

-Kamala Harris has not given up her senate seat in California yet. For comparison, Obama gave up his seat 3 full weeks earlier. He announced on November 13.

Biden didn't step down till 5 days before inauguration when Obama won. It doesn't mean anything.

This is just sad.

Biden will be inaugurated. Trumps lost. Keep grasping desperately at straws all you like. But if you have integrity, you'll be leaving along with trump come Jan 20.

 

[JGrimez]

As I've stated repeatedly I promise to leave if it's Biden on Jan 20.

But you're far too overconfident, considering this isn't over. Assuming to know what the Supreme Court will do is stupid. There's proof Trump won legitimately but I'd still place his chances at around 50/50.