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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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"Civil war lines are drawn. Those who support our constitution - and those state legislatures who are against it and backed by China.
The states in yellow, changed their laws for the election and did not keep in line with the constitution.
Oh and the china owned / compromised Dominion voting machines too.
Get your popcorn ready."

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JGrimez said:
The states in yellow, changed their laws for the election and did not keep in line with the constitution.

What laws did they change and how are they not in line with the constitution?
Please be specific.
 
What laws did they change and how are they not in line with the constitution?
Please be specific.
My friend who's in the Navy actually wrote that. He works in communications. So you'll have to inquire further yourself but I do know that PA did change their state constitution to allow what took place.
You can't change the rules like that, that's why so many other states are pissed off.
I'm not also not responsible for your lack of research.
 
My friend who's in the Navy actually wrote that. He works in communications. So you'll have to inquire further yourself but I do know that PA did change their state constitution to allow what took place.
You can't change the rules like that, that's why so many other states are pissed off.
I'm not also not responsible for your lack of research.

If it's not your argument and you have absolutely no clue what it's based on. Maybe don't repeat it as if it's your argument? You most certainly are responsible for your own lack of research.

Rest assured I have my popcorn. But the show I'm watching is the Grimez show. I'm waiting to see how you react when Bidens inaugurated, and no civil war materializes.
 
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If it's not your argument and you have absolutely no clue what it's based on. Maybe don't repeat it as if it's your argument?

Rest assured I have my popcorn. But the show I'm watching is the Grimez show. I'm waiting to see how you react when Bidens inaugurated, and no civil war materializes.
You won't see how I react unfortunately because I made a bet that I must leave BL forever if that happens.
Honestly I'll be more disappointed that blatant fraud occurred and that so many supported it. When you get to that point of violating the democratic will of the people - then you deserve a dictator.

As for trusting my friend, he's in the US Navy and is by no means a Trump supporter (or very political at all). But since the election he has recognized the blatant and obvious electoral fraud and is now very vocal as he loves his country and has even dedicated his life to protect it, which is more than I can say for most people here.

After 5 seconds of googling I found:

a source that a liberal would never bother look at said:
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued battleground states Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin on Tuesday to challenge their 2020 presidential election results.

"Using the COVID-19 pandemic as a justification, government officials in the defendant states of Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (collectively, 'Defendant State'), usurped their legislatures’ authority and unconstitutionally revised their state’s election statutes," Paxton's complaint says. "They accomplished these statutory revisions through executive fiat or friendly lawsuits, thereby weakening ballot integrity."

READ A COPY OF THE FILING HERE (pdf)
 
And I'll be extremely happy if no civil war materializes. Since Obama liberals have become war-lovers but I've always maintained an anti-war stance.

I even admit that under Trump, civilian casualties in Afghanistan rose 330%. He gets credit for no new wars (he didn't start this one), but this is one of the reasons I withdrew support for the man.
 
So wait are you saying they changed the PA constitution, or the PA statutes. Cause you said one in your last post and another in this post.
 
What did they change?
Be specific.
It's actually really annoying that people are unwilling to do their own research. Because they're the same people who deny factual evidence when presented. You think that state governments are filing lawsuits based on nothing?

-Non-legislative actors’ purported amendments to States’ duly enacted election laws, in violation of the Electors Clause’s vesting State legislatures with plenary authority regarding the appointment of presidential electors.

-Intrastate differences in the treatment of voters, with more favorable allotted to voters – whether lawful or unlawful – in areas administered by local government under Democrat control and with populations with higher ratios of Democrat voters than other areas of Defendant States.

-The appearance of voting irregularities in the Defendant States that would be consistent with the unconstitutional relaxation of ballot-integrity protections in those States’ election laws


All these flaws – even the violations of state election law – violate one or more of the federal requirements for elections (i.e., equal protection, due process, and the Electors Clause) and thus arise under federal law.

Defendant States with millions of ballots to be sent through the mails, or placed in drop boxes, with little 2 or no chain of custody1 and, at the same time, weakened the strongest security measures protecting the integrity of the vote—signature verification and witness requirements.
 
Yes I think Texas is filing a lawsuit based on nothing.

It's a complete joke on so many levels and scotus almost certainly won't even hear it. And if they do they'll definitely throw it out.


Also the onus is on the person making the claim to provide the evidence that claim is true. You can't just go "I claim x and y, now it's your fault if you can't find evidence for it!". It's also not on us to go out and disprove every vague crackpot theory anyone brings up. If you wanna discuss it seriously you gotta bring the evidence.
 
With all due respect, I think you need to consider the possibility that you are being manipulated.
I appreciate those sensitively put wordsl i am certainly open to the possibility of me being manipulated. I really don't truthfully know that's what I mean when I say that we will soon see.
 
Yes I think Texas is filing a lawsuit based on nothing.
And the (now 22) other states that have joined them? All based on nothing? I'm actually a little surprised that you're taking such a hardline stance.

Be specific.

NATURE OF THE ACTION

1. Plaintiff State challenges Defendant States’ administration of the 2020 election under the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, and the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

2. This case presents a question of law: Did Defendant States violate the Electors Clause (or, in the alternative, the Fourteenth Amendment) by taking—or allowing—non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors?

3. Those unconstitutional changes opened the door to election irregularities in various forms. Plaintiff State alleges that each of the Defendant States flagrantly violated constitutional rules governing the appointment of presidential electors. In doing so, seeds of deep distrust have been sown across the country. In the spirit of Marbury v. Madison, this Court’s attention is profoundly needed to declare what the law is and to restore public trust in this election.

4. As Justice Gorsuch observed recently, “Government is not free to disregard the [Constitution] in times of crisis. … Yet recently, during the COVID pandemic, certain States seem to have ignored these long-settled principles.” Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn, New York v. Cuomo, 592 U.S. ____ (2020) (Gorsuch, J., concurring). This case is no different.

5. Each of Defendant States acted in a common pattern. State officials, sometimes through pending litigation (e.g., settling “friendly” suits) and sometimes unilaterally by executive fiat, announced new rules for the conduct of the 2020 election that were inconsistent with existing state statutes defining what constitutes a lawful vote.

6. Defendant States also failed to segregate ballots in a manner that would permit accurate analysis to determine which ballots were cast in conformity with the legislatively set rules and which were not. This is especially true of the mail-in ballots in these States. By waiving, lowering, and otherwise failing to follow the state statutory requirements for signature validation and other processes for ballot security, the entire body of such ballots is now constitutionally suspect and may not be legitimately used to determine allocation of the Defendant States’ presidential electors.

7. The rampant lawlessness arising out of Defendant States’ unconstitutional acts is described in a number of currently pending lawsuits in Defendant States or in public view including:

Dozens of witnesses testifying under oath about: the physical blocking and kicking out of Republican poll challengers; thousands of the same ballots run multiple times through tabulators; mysterious late night dumps of thousands of ballots at tabulation centers; illegally backdating thousands of ballots; signature verification procedures ignored; more than 173,000 ballots in the Wayne County, MI center that cannot be tied to a registered voter;

Videos of: poll workers erupting in cheers as poll challengers are removed from vote counting centers; poll watchers being blocked from entering vote counting centers—despite even having a court order to enter; suitcases full of ballots being pulled out from underneath tables after poll watchers were told to leave.

Facts for which no independently verified reasonable explanation yet exists: On October 1, 2020, in Pennsylvania a laptop and several USB drives, used to program Pennsylvania’s Dominion voting machines, were mysteriously stolen from a warehouse in Philadelphia. The laptop and the USB drives were the only items taken, and potentially could be used to alter vote tallies; In Michigan, which also employed the same Dominion voting system, on November 4, 2020, Michigan election officials have admitted that a purported “glitch” caused 6,000 votes for President Trump to be wrongly switched to Democrat Candidate Biden. A flash drive containing tens of thousands of votes was left unattended in the Milwaukee tabulations center in the early morning hours of Nov. 4, 2020, without anyone aware it was not in a proper chain of custody.


8. Nor was this Court immune from the blatant disregard for the rule of law. Pennsylvania itself played fast and loose with its promise to this Court. In a classic bait and switch, Pennsylvania used guidance from its Secretary of State to argue that this Court should not expedite review because the State would segregate potentially unlawful ballots. A court of law would reasonably rely on such a representation. Remarkably, before the ink was dry on the Court’s 4- 4 decision, Pennsylvania changed that guidance, breaking the State’s promise to this Court. Compare Republican Party of Pa. v. Boockvar, No. 20-542, 2020 U.S. LEXIS 5188, at *5-6 (Oct. 28, 2020) (“we have been informed by the Pennsylvania Attorney General that the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued guidance today directing county boards of elections to segregate [late-arriving] ballots”) (Alito, J., concurring) with Republican Party v. Boockvar, No. 20A84, 2020 U.S. LEXIS 5345, at *1 (Nov. 6, 2020) (“this Court was not informed that the guidance issued on October 28, which had an important bearing on the question whether to order special treatment of the ballots in question, had been modified”) (Alito, J., Circuit Justice).

9. Expert analysis using a commonly accepted statistical test further raises serious questions as to the integrity of this election.

10. The probability of former Vice President Biden winning the popular vote in the four Defendant States—Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin—independently given President Trump’s early lead in those States as of 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, is less than one in a quadrillion, or 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000. For former Vice President Biden to win these four States collectively, the odds of that event happening decrease to less than one in a quadrillion to the fourth power (i.e., 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,0004). See Decl. of Charles J. Cicchetti, Ph.D. (“Cicchetti Decl.”) at ¶¶ 14-21, 30-31. See App. 4a-7a, 9a

11. The same less than one in a quadrillion statistical improbability of Mr. Biden winning the popular vote in the four Defendant States—Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin— independently exists when Mr. Biden’s performance in each of those Defendant States is compared to former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton’s performance in the 2016 general election and President Trump’s performance in the 2016 and 2020 general elections. Again, the statistical improbability of Mr. Biden winning the popular vote in these four States collectively is 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,0005. Id. 10-13, 17-21, 30-31.

12. Put simply, there is substantial reason to doubt the voting results in the Defendant States.

13. By purporting to waive or otherwise modify the existing state law in a manner that was wholly ultra vires and not adopted by each state’s legislature, Defendant States violated not only the Electors Clause, U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1, cl. 2, but also the Elections Clause, id. art. I, § 4 (to the extent that the Article I Elections Clause textually applies to the Article II process of selecting presidential electors).

14. Plaintiff States and their voters are entitled to a presidential election in which the votes from each of the states are counted only if the ballots are cast and counted in a manner that complies with the pre-existing laws of each state. See Anderson v. Celebrezze, 460 U.S. 780, 795 (1983) (“for the President and the Vice President of the United States are the only elected officials who represent all the voters in the Nation.”). Voters who cast lawful ballots cannot have their votes diminished by states that administered their 2020 presidential elections in a manner where it is impossible to distinguish a lawful ballot from an unlawful ballot.

15. The number of absentee and mail-in ballots that have been handled unconstitutionally in Defendant States greatly exceeds the difference between the vote totals of the two candidates for President of the United States in each Defendant State. 16. In addition to injunctive relief for this election, Plaintiff State seeks declaratory relief for all presidential elections in the future. This problem is clearly capable of repetition yet evading review. The integrity of our constitutional democracy requires that states conduct presidential elections in accordance with the rule of law and federal constitutional guarantees.
 
Ahhhh, so there is no evidence.

No wonder they keep losing in court.


So uhh, you're actually not entitled as some random trump supporter on the street to go and witness the vote count in whatever way you choose.

That said though PA acrually live streamed the counting so anyone could have watched.

If you wanna watch seriously as an observer there's a system for doing that. It was followed. And none of the court cases have been able to show that those observers were prevented in any way.

Honestly man your arguments have really nosedived lately. I mean come on, you basically just said "I have no evidence but I don't need it cause here's a minutes worth of out of context clips of random trump supporters being stopped from engaging in vote intimidation!"
 
@JGrimez

Cutting and pasting pages upon pages of information (that I seriously doubt you bothered reading yourself) is not what I mean when I say "be specific".

(Although AutoTripper "liked" your post, I very much doubt he read it all either.)

I'm asking you to (briefly) explain what concerns you in your own words.

Can you do that?
 
@JGrimez

Cutting and pasting pages upon pages of information (that I seriously doubt you bothered reading yourself) is not what I mean when I say "be specific".

(Although AutoTripper "liked" your post, I very much doubt he read it all either.)

I'm asking you to (briefly) explain what concerns you in your own words.

Can you do that?

He always does this. It's why I put him on ignore. When he really gets going literally half of the entire thread becomes his personal news feed.

I'm replying now because the ignore isn't actually because I refuse read anything he says, I just want to block the giant propaganda feed when it gets going.

And none it's his own words.

Here's what's gonna happen. The Supreme Court. The Supreme Court that is currently very conservative. Is gonna throw this out fast.

Because all the arguments were already discredited in lower courts.
Because they could have been taken to court and litigated months ago.
Because the mechanism for bringing this suit is for interstate disputes and that's not what this is in the legal sense, it's one state complaining how another state runs its elections. This is an improper way to litigate that.
And because the arguments themselves, where they haven't been disproved, don't stand up to legal scrutiny.

Watch it happen. It'll be thrown out on its face, if it's heard at all. Then I can hear about how the Supreme Court is secretly in on it too.
 
Permission to be heard in class?

A few musings if I may (and then have drag myself away for a few hours I'm afraid).

From just a cursory glance over the latest posts and quick look through all the YouTube videos (those released by the mainstream media) I'd have to say nope: this ain't over. And not by a long shot I don't think. And that's not because that's what I WANT to believe. It just is what it is. Doesn't matter who is reporting what and the level of shit they're reporting. It's just not over. And anybody that thinks it is: well I put it to that you're living in a false sense of security or an alternate reality.

And I just figured out the answer to my own question of the other day (where I asked WHY is everybody reporting something different and SURELY they cannot all be talking shit). Well here's the thing. It actually doesn't matter. Here's why. The media, in their infinite wisdom, and for whatever reason (somebody mentioned ratings possibly) are being used to stir the pot (whether knowingly or unknowingly it again doesn't really matter). The left wing media that are slating Trump and the Republicans are just pissing the right off even more. While the right leaning media are, of course, spurring them on. And whichever way you slice it: it's playing out real nice seems to me. There's now reports of officials (not going through the list) receiving death threats, protests outside of their homes, you get the picture. So it's working. And it comes back to what one or two or three have said here: Trump is no fool. And all of this over and above any legal action (which, if I look at it at face value anyway, at very worst case anyway is just going to add fuel to the fire) (and maybe that's all it's designed to do i.e. who knows but it wouldn't surprise me).

And this is what I was saying yesterday: there's still many avenues to be explored. And from where I'm sitting and from what I'm reading and seeing and hearing: it's sure now starting to look as those that were so cock sure of themselves are note quite as cocky now as they have been. Odd that now a whole bunch of Republicans in office, who've been oddly mute up until (I guess until they could see which way the wind MAY blow which in and of itself is disgusting but that's politics from what I gather) are now coming on board publicly. It is what it is though.

I think everybody has gotten way too focused on Trump himself and has lost sight of what's really going on here. I posted about this before, received no comments, and I doubt that anybody even bothered to look at the stuff I'd posted that day e.g. the interview with Al Sharpton (and no I will not give him credibility by addressing him as "Reverend" because he's nothing more than a left wing shit stirrer). Even HE said: this election is more about race and ethnicity than anything else. He's the only person I've heard, give him his due, that's at least been willing to call it out for what it is (this as opposed to keeping his mouth shut in the interests of being politically correct and not upsetting anyone).

And of course: I'll probably be called out on some of the above. No problem. But before doing that (and said this already before again): watch any media you like. Put aside the narrative that's been spewed forth and just listen to Trump HIMSELF and watch and observe.

You all think I'm nuts with my hypothetical what ifs?

Well here's something to think about that dawned on me this morning and after having a brief overview of what appears to be going on. Ponder upon the below.

Let's assume that every last possible legitimate avenue is exhausted without success. Is it that hard to imagine that the right and the far right and the VERY far right may well decide to take action? Do you think that the police and the military are going to openly fire on white Americans? No they will not. But no matter that it's the right: it provides reason for the President to declare martial law or a state of emergency this in spite of it being due to his own supporters. Now let's take the other side. One of these legitimate avenues actually does overturn the election results. The left, far left, and VERY far left will do the same thing. And the President will do the same thing. Only difference this time: there'll be no problem quelling those riots because firing on minorities that are looting and carrying on like mad people will be playing right into the President's hands. Hard to imagine or believe? Dunno. Seems very logical to me..

Opinion: there is only one way that America is going to come out of this relatively unscathed. And that is to declare this election null and void and redo the whole thing. And THIS time FUCK mail in and absentee ballots. Matter of fact I'd even go so far as to say fuck the Electoral College. One man one vote. And by that I mean verifiable, identifiable, and genuine American citizens and that are eligible to vote. And please don't anybody give me a lecture on mail in and absentee ballots. If you look at the reasons why they were first implemented: those reasons are no longer valid. Hint: can you imagine somebody in the USA today requesting that they be allowed to vote in absentia because their land or farm was going to be attacked by Indians were they to leave their property unattended? Only people that should qualify (as was the case) are those that apply, with valid reasons, to vote in absentia e.g. the military that are out of the country (and then under supervision which was the case) and those that are in jobs that simply would make it impossible for them to vote in person in their state. And that's not a lot of people in the bigger scheme of things. The rest: can get off of their backsides and make the effort. This bullshit only started because it sort of caught on in some states (off the top of my hand I cannot remember the first but I think it was California but don't quote me on that) i.e. it made it easier and more convenient for people to vote. Falls into the instant gratification category. And you cannot tell me that a country like America is not capable of doing this or doesn't have the resources to do this e.g. set up polling stations that are accessible to everyone. The cost of doing this pales in comparison to what the cost is going to be if this isn't done. Worst case scenario: you'd have to put up with Trump for a few more months while this was being set up and implemented. That's a small price to pay for what's possible coming if it isn't.

Even Trump would walk way peacefully if the above was undertaken and if he lost.

Furthermore: there's some pretty clever people around who have already devised ALMOST foolproof voting systems (and that don't require the lengths to which I personally would go to e.g. retina scanning, WARM fingerprints, and DNA!). I found one just the other day and I'll post it as food for thought. Certainly doable and not impossible to implement albeit that it may be a bit cumbersome. Was a very interesting read for me.

But whether you agree with me or not: the damage is already done in America. You can stand on your head and whistle Yankee Doodle through your backsides. With the exception of this fucking Mitt Romney (and one or two other prize Republican turncoats and cowards): the Trump supporters and GOP members who are worth their salt will never believe that this election was not stolen no matte what Judge says otherwise. And that's going to fester and fester underground with each move the left makes to "unite" everyone assuming they do make it into office given the current supposed trajectory. Until it blows somewhere. And bear in mind one other thing: this is a first. The right are fired up i.e. they've not become the apathetic pieces of shit that we've become here. Once that happens: it's too late.

I for one will be very surprised if what I've described above doesn't play itself out in one form or another.
 
@JGrimez

Cutting and pasting pages upon pages of information (that I seriously doubt you bothered reading yourself) is not what I mean when I say "be specific".

(Although AutoTripper "liked" your post, I very much doubt he read it all either.)

I'm asking you to (briefly) explain what concerns you in your own words.

Can you do that?
I've actually done enough to entertain your ignorance. That excerpt is directly from the lawsuit that you refuse to read. Yes I read it and understood it. I even bolded the most important bits for you. If you can't read then that's your problem, not mine.

Also see the short 1 minute youtube video above if you don't like to read (it also contains some of the video evidence). Honestly I love seeing people deny video evidence. It's one of my favourite things to observe as it shows some of the most extreme levels of cognitive dissonance.
 
Ahhhh, so there is no evidence.
So legal ballot-watching you're reframing as vote intimidation? There's your problem right there. that's why you're denying video evidence of Republican ballot-waters being forcibly ejected from making sure that votes are legitimate.
 
way too long to read @dalpat077

@JGrimez I watched your ridiculous video with that guy repeating "Bullies chased out witnesses" over and over again. As @JessFR said there is a process. You can't just have everyone walk in of the street. That has never happened in any election.

As for the cut and paste stuff, this is a discussion. You should be able to concisely state your opinion (in your own words) without cutting and pasting.

A document submitted by one side of a lawsuit in an ongoing case is not evidence.

JGrimez said:
Honestly I love seeing people deny video evidence. It's one of my favourite things to observe as it shows some of the most extreme levels of cognitive dissonance... that's why you're denying video evidence

Who are the people being ejected?

What are their names?
Are they allowed to be there?

Do you believe every video you see on Youtube?
 
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