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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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dalpat077 said:
Well let me ask you this question (and it's not a joke question either):

What would happen if, as if by magic, the Electoral College voted in favor of Trump?

At the end of the day and after all this stuff I've tried to familiarize myself with: the way I see it those REALLY are the only votes that count.

I'm not saying it's GOING to happen. Probably not even LIKELY to happen. But it COULD happen. That was the whole reason for the Electoral College type system in the first place i.e. if those Electors decided that the people didn't know shit from a shovel or believed they were misguided then they could correct the same.

And yes I know: there's some states where they're (the Electors) supposedly bound to vote according to the popular vote. But the penalties for the Electors NOT doing so are not exactly life changing or life threatening let's face it.

For what it's worth: I'm "Trumped out" so that's not why I'm asking (although I will have a morbid sense of satisfaction should this be the case) (and not to worry: I'm not the type to say "told ya so")!
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What happens if Biden and Harris both just decided "meh, we changed our minds, we don't wanna be potus and vpotus after all". What happens of trump refuses to leave and the military leadership universally backs his little coup?

These scenarios are so unlikely you can play hypotheticals with them all day.

But at the end of the day there are plausible outcomes and implausible ones. Unlikely things that might happen and unlikely thing that won't.

Given the electors are all chosen by the democrats, and given that faithless electors have never changed any election result and given that 36 faithless electors is many many times the largest number of faithless electors in history and that's before factoring in them all voting for trump in spite of being Democrat chosen electors.

This isn't a plausible outcome.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
From what I understand is that states that are controlled by Republican legislatures ie Pennsylvania can overrule the popular vote in their states and appoint their own electors to vote in the EC? This is happening on the 14th right? The EC vote? I’m confused about hearing wild theories about how this can be done, and in only 4 days? I can see why the losers aren’t ready to admit defeat. This wishful thinking only works if Biden only had a one state’s electoral votes to decide the EC vote and the path to 270. This unfortunately for y’all die hard Trump sillybaggers is beyond imagination and will turn you gay if you think about it too hard. You flat earth fuckers and the south really won the Civil War idiots can again retreat to your inbred families in your shack with half buried refrigerators and your naked toddlers eatn’ dirt in the yard with the teenagers fucking the billy goats. You are all LOSERS to the bone, and I love to see y’all grunt.
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It won't happen. It's just a fantasy.

None of the state legislatures are going to appoint their own electors. That's been made pretty clear.

It's just like the bombshell evidence that really no really will come next week just one more week you'll see it's really real this time no really!

What's going to happen is the EC will vote. It will be at least 290 votes for Biden, and much more likely 300-306. A full 306 would be more guess if I had to pick a number.

The house will certify it. Biden will be inaugurated. And trump will leave. He will keep claiming fraud, but he won't have to be removed by force.

That's what's happening. Almost anything else just isn't at all likely. There might be some very minor bumps along the way, but Bidens lead is just too strong for reverse.
 
mal3volent said:
Trump thought the people would elect him. They didn't.

He thought his lawyers and the courts would save him. They didn't.

He thought SCOTUS (packed with his appointees) would save him. Hard pass.

Now he thinks the electors will go against the will of the country for the first time in history , just to give him a second term. He thinks these people whose identities are known are going to risk their lives to bring fascism to the United States.

When that fails, the next hope will be that Congress refuses to finalize the electoral votes.

Then it will be something else.

Then it'll all be over.

And he will bitch and moan and cry for the rest of his god forsaken life having never once acted out of humility, kindness, patriotism or honor.
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Well that's really what I was asking about I guess.

Highly unlikely it would seem. But technically possible that something could go wrong. I guess what I'm saying is that I got the impression that the Electoral College was like the final straw or nail in the coffin for the loser and that was the end of that. But not so technically.

Maybe it's because where I come from I guess. Were we to have the same setup here: it'd not even be a stretch to believe that Electors could be threatened, bribed, hell in our case even taken out (literally) and replaced with those that would do as instructed. Not kidding here at all. It certainly would not be an impossible task. And given the relatively small number that would need to be "swayed" or "encouraged" well, as I say, it wouldn't be beyond imagination or comprehension. So in my defense: maybe I don't see everything quite as black and white as you people are capable of or used to be being able to do is all.
 
dalpat077 said:
Well that's really what I was asking about I guess.

Highly unlikely it would seem. But technically possible that something could go wrong. I guess what I'm saying is that I got the impression that the Electoral College was like the final straw or nail in the coffin for the loser and that was the end of that. But not so technically.

Maybe it's because where I come from I guess. Were we to have the same setup here: it'd not even be a stretch to believe that Electors could be threatened, bribed, hell in our case even taken out (literally) and replaced with those that would do as instructed. Not kidding here at all. It certainly would not be an impossible task. And given the relatively small number that would need to be "swayed" or "encouraged" well, as I say, it wouldn't be beyond imagination or comprehension. So in my defense: maybe I don't see everything quite as black and white as you people are capable of or used to be being able to do is all.
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I dunno where you live, but the American political system is actually pretty damn resistant to these kinds of shenanigans. Not flawless, but pretty strong.

Never in American history has there been more than a couple faithless electors, who didn't come close to changing the result, and most cases only voted differently because they knew it wouldn't matter and just wanted to protest. Usually cause they preferred some other candidate form their own political alignment.

So, some of Bidens voters might vote Sanders perhaps. But that's it. It won't change anything.
 
JessFR said:
What happens if Biden and Harris both just decided "meh, we changed our minds, we don't wanna be potus and vpotus after all". What happens of trump refuses to leave and the military leadership universally backs his little coup?

These scenarios are so unlikely you can play hypotheticals with them all day.

But at the end of the day there are plausible outcomes and implausible ones. Unlikely things that might happen and unlikely thing that won't.

Given the electors are all chosen by the democrats, and given that faithless electors have never changed any election result and given that 36 faithless electors is many many times the largest number of faithless electors in history and that's before factoring in them all voting for trump in spite of being Democrat chosen electors.

This isn't a plausible outcome.
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I agree with most of what you're saying. And as always: always appreciate your input and logic.

Only thing I find hard to fathom (and it's not just you): there's been many arguments on this thread (and the others) that something will not happen simply because it's never happened in the past.

I'll bet you that we could sit here all day and discuss things (general things i.e. not limited to the elections) that have actually happened but that nobody in their wildest dreams would ever have thought possible simply because it's never happened before. That's all I'm saying.
 
No it won't happen because it's simply not plausible to have 36 different people all chosen for their loyalty to the democratic party all in different states to suddenly change their vote to trump in full view of the entire country.

Here's what it comes down to. There are things worth worrying about. And things that aren't.

Scenario #1: Biden gets covid19 and is too sick to continue or dies. Prior to the election, if that had happened, trump would almost certainly have won. That's a real possibility worth having concerns about.

This scenario is not worth worrying about in the same way as the idea that biden might actually secretly be a trump loyalist and this is all a plot to install a figure head to take the heat isn't worth considering.
 
JessFR said:
I dunno where you live, but the American political system is actually pretty damn resistant to these kinds of shenanigans. Not flawless, but pretty strong.

Never in American history has there been more than a couple faithless electors, who didn't come close to changing the result, and most cases only voted differently because they knew it wouldn't matter and just wanted to protest. Usually cause they preferred some other candidate form their own political alignment.

So, some of Bidens voters might vote Sanders perhaps. But that's it. It won't change anything.
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I live in South Africa. I thought you knew that!

But be that as it may: see the post I've just posted.

To add here's a rather benign example:

Do you think that many years ago it would have been fathomable or believable for there to be a black President or a black Vice President or a woman as President or Vice President? Sorry. Distasteful examples to most I'm sure but it's the best I could come up with on the fly and nothing meant by it other than to demonstrate my point.

And again (not to belabor the point): but the political system to which you refer is not as resistant to shenanigans as you may think. It all just depends on who is pulling the strings and just how far they're prepared to go to achieve their objectives.

Put this another way and maybe give it a little perspective ask yourself this question (and I'm not saying this is the case at all but just food for thought):

If the mob were in charge: you think they'd not be able to overthrow this election in just a few easy steps? Just think about what it would REALLY take (or just how LITTLE it would take)? Break it down into small pieces is all. Ensure that the Electors vote against the popular vote (by any means necessary), they'd never admit to it and lie under oath out of fear (or take their own lives if they couldn't live with themselves and that would have the same effect anyway), a Trump (note "a Trump") back in power, people start carrying on like mad things in the streets, he declares a state of emergency or martial law using the excuse that the country has become ungovernable and has to restore law and order, uses the military to do so, and enlists the aid of the right wing radicals to boot.

Just food for thought is all. Not encouraging such actions. And not saying it'll happen. Nor that Trump would do it. I'm just trying to get you to think out of the box and to not assume that just because something has never happened before does not mean that it cannot happen.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
I like this idea, and it might have some truth to it. The deep state is Donald Trump and it makes sense that Biden and him are in cahoots. Donald Trump has been a lifelong New York Democrat up until the rise of Obama. I believe that this was the initial ploy to destroy the Republican Party and make the US a one party system.

*fact* Donald Trump has successfully destroyed the Republican Party and they are no longer pretending to be anything else, but complete Trump loyalists.

Please move this discussion to this thread:

Conspiracies - The deepest of the Deep State

I’ve had this opinion for a while; that the life long democrat Donald Trump (who has had a long standing relationship with the Clintons) has been the Deep State from the get go. *fact* Donald Trump has successfully destroyed the Republican Party. Republicans have dropped all their conservative...
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Didn't even know there was such a thread! :)

Question is: do I really want to see what's going on there i.e. my head is already fucked with all that's gone into these election threads. Adding another dimension to all of this? I'll no longer be popping Alprazolam just to sleep I'm sure! :ROFLMAO:
 
I still say, a mighty lot of people may be in for a shockingly big surprise and twist here.

We can only wait and see.
 
AutoTripper said:
I still say, a mighty lot of people may be in for a shockingly big surprise and twist here.

We can only wait and see.
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We're not. I'm sorry if I'm bad at explaining why this situation isn't like many of your hypocriticals, but it isn't

It's too late. Trumps done.

His only chance is to be reelected in 4 years.
 
alasdairm said:
if something may be then it also may not be.

what do you think is the potential shockingly big surprise and twist?



fixed that for you.

alasdair
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Hi there. I just believe, (and to be honest, by now, after the hedges I have been physically and emotionally dragged through of late, I could hardly care or know what to think or believe anymore- a key part of the blueprinted masterplan to deceive and control humanity) that Trump may in fact be the POTUS after all, next 4 years, WHATEVER picture and scenario the mainstream is painting in black and white.

But like I say, we can only wait now and see. We don't even see the tip of the iceberg, such is the nature and dishonesty of the purely lying mainstream media.

One heck of a lot is going on unreported, misreported, suppressed for now.

Plus the wise gambler will hold the aces until the optimum moment.

I believe they have some serious aces to throw on the table still, but are knitting everything else up they can first, mounting as much as possible, exploring every additional avenue first, before revealing their true, full hand. This isn't even wishful thinking.

Time will tell.
 
Trump supporters are always blaming the media for everything. It's crap.

Trump's done and that's clear without any help from the media.

He's done because there's no path left for him in the system to stay in office that has even a remote chance of happening.

There's no realistic chance whatsoever of the EC just suddenly voting for him. The courts were never going to overturn it.

It has nothing to do with the media. Trumps presidency is done for the next four years if not forever. And that only thing you need to see that is a lesson in civics and history.

Trump supporters pretend everyone opposes trump believes what they believe cause the media tells them too. Ironic given they do exactly that with trumps Twitter account. But it's crap. I can't speak for everyone, but I barely watch the mainstream news at all.

Either you accept the basic objective facts or you don't. Such as that trump didn't get enough votes where he needed them to win. His loss was too large to be changed by recounts. It's in too many states for the courts to overturn. And democratic electors won't suddenly vote for trump.

None of that requires the help of the media. It just is what it is.
 
if you make a load of vague, general statements - "may be in for a shockingly big surprise and twist", "a storm is coming", "can you hear the thunder yet?" etc. - with nothing to back them up then, just by the numbers, you can claim you meant just about anything and you're going to be right some of the time.

the trump campaign alleged, with little or no evidence, widespread voter fraud and the u.s. court system has completely and absolutely rejected those allegations.

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
if you make a load of vague, general statements - "may be in for a shockingly big surprise and twist", "a storm is coming", "can you hear the thunder yet?" etc. -
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I thought someone else said that, not AutoTripper.

I just mention it cause I get people claiming I said stuff I didn't cause they kinda merge all people who oppose trump together and I don't want us to do the same thing.
 
I agree with most of what you said @JessFR, but I'd prefer it if you stop saying "Trump supporters this" and "Trump supporters that". Fucking democrats always do that. All of you. You're all clones incapable of independent thought.

JessFR said:
cause they kinda merge all people who oppose trump together and I don't want us to do the same thing
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You literally do it all the time.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I agree with most of what you said @JessFR, but I'd prefer it if you stop saying "Trump supporters this" and "Trump supporters that". Fucking democrats always do that. All of you. You're all clones incapable of independent thought.



You literally do it all the time.
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There's a big difference between ascribing trends to trump supporters, and ascribing specific beliefs to specific trump supporters here on bluelight.

For instance, saying that most Democrat voters are prochoice might well be true. But I'd be pissed if someone assumed I'm prochoice just because I'm supporting the democrats this election.

What I do is claiming that trump supporters as a whole believe in x y whatever. And I see no problem. With that.

I don't accuse individual trump supports here of believing something they've said they don't believe because they must because they're trump supporters. And if I do it's a mistake and one I'd be happy to apologize for.
 
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