Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[JGrimez]

if you wanted to be fair, you'd go back further to when Trump and the right were delegitimizing Obama. Asking for his birth certificate, college records, etc.

There were no democrats refusing to call Trump president elect. Obama invited him to the White House. He went to his inauguration. The Dems who did think he was in bed with Putin, even they didn't refuse him security briefings or the funds to ensure a proper transition. They waited, investigated, and impeached him through a perfectly constitutional process. You may disagree with their conclusions , but they acted fairly and constitutionally.

Obama's birth certificate has 9 points of forgery on it. That has nothing to do with this.

300% voter turnout in one county. Above 80% is considered suspicious.

#noevidence

 

[dalpat077]

To give one of the most spot on examples. This is an interview with Sanders from before the election dated Oct 23. It's 7 minutes long but you can skip to 2:30 minutes in.

In it Bernie Sanders pretty much spot on predicts how trump would, and has acted in the election.

And this isn't the only examples it's just one of the most concise and eerie.

And this is why for those of us who oppose trump it's so frustrating to have trump supporters act like the election is being stolen, pretending there was ever any chance whatsoever that they were gonna accept a legitimate Biden win.

Those of us who've been watching have seen trump set it all up for months before the election. Appointing a political puppet as postmaster. Removing post boxes, destroying usps equipment, deliberately withholding usps funding and openly saying it's to sabotage mail in voting.

All to try and stop democrats from voting cause he knows they won't wanna vote in person in a pandemic. And because he knows that very high vote turnouts favor the democrats (because most Americans actually aren't Republicans)

And all so that when the election happens, if it doesn't go his way in spite of his attempts to suppress the democratic vote turnout, he can cry fraud.

So it's immensely frustrating to see him be so transparent about his attempts to manipulate the election result and make false cries of fraud. And for his diehard supporters to either pretend, or be too brainwashed to see, how transparent he's been about his plan to do this months ahead of time.

The only excuse they have is that he wanted to stop mail in voting because he knew it would be used for fraud, but he's the fucking president, head of the executive branch. If that were the truth you don't suppress people from voting in the middle of a pandemic, and you certainly don't vote by mail yourself (and trump did, as he does every election). you begin open, independent investigations with the evidence and concerns you have ahead of time to try and ensure there's no fraud in the first place. He didn't because deep down he knows there's no fraud.


This kinda stuff is why we hate him. Because he's a critical threat to American democracy. Because to behave like that shows he has zero respect for America's laws or his oath to the constitution or the right of Americans to decide their leadership.

I understand how trump diehards can pretend they don't see it and lie to themselves and others. I don't understand how the more reasonable trump voters (and I accept they exist) either don't know or don't care about it.

Thanks for this. Believe it or not: that video is blocked "in your country". So I cannot watch it unless you give me the title (there's usually more than one floating around).

As for the rest: most will be pleased to know I've now actually run out of steam on this one. Gotta give Trump his due though: I'm 55 and I cannot take anymore of this! And he's prepared to keep going until the bitter end at 74! Mind you and as much as I hate to say it: I could say the same for Biden. He's been after this job for decades! I guess on some level: kudos to him too.

 

[JessFR]

Thanks for this. Believe it or not: that video is blocked "in your country". So I cannot watch it unless you give me the title (there's usually more than one floating around).

As for the rest: most will be pleased to know I've now actually run out of steam on this one. Gotta give Trump his due though: I'm 55 and I cannot take anymore of this! And he's prepared to keep going until the bitter end at 74! Mind you and as much as I hate to say it: I could say the same for Biden. He's been after this job for decades! I guess on some level: kudos to him too.

It's an interview between Sanders and Jimmy Fallon from (I think) Oct 23.

Im surprised it's blocked, that's stupid.

 

[Deru]

As I've noted though: I can only base my opinions (albeit that they're evidently not welcome) on what I see, read, and hear coming from America itself. Trying to sift through what's factual and correct and what's made up or is fictional or has an agenda to it or doesn't? That's the key. And I don't believe I've found the sweet spot. If it exists at all.

If you ever find the sweet spot, let me know

 

[mal3volent]

Obama's birth certificate has nothing to do with this.

Sure it does. Trump and others were trying to say he wasn't born here and thus not eligible to be president. We were discussing attempts to delegitimize Trump. Pretty clear connection there.

300% voter turnout in one county. Above 80% is considered suspicious.

#noevidence

you forgot to respond to the rest of my post. Probably because you have no good response. The hypocrisy is obvious to everyone, and it makes your side look silly.

 

[JessFR]

If there were actually turnouts of several hundred percent of the voting population that would be effortless evidence of fraud.

Yet that's not what's showing up in court, the evidence they're using in court is so bad they're being laughed right out of court.

Guess the judges think they look silly too.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

and Biden scares me. Whereas Trump doesn't.

That is because you don't live here. If trump got back in, he would force the country to open fast and give everyone covid. I mean he got it, and feels like perfect after a team of 50 top doctors took care of him.

The real USA is people are suffering. And its because of Trump's actions to covid.

He is also pulling the country down now that he lost. A proper human being would accept defeat and pass the country on as usual. Not trump. Then he just ups and fires the head of cyber security completely fucking that whole team and leaving our country at risk.

Trump is nothing more than a disgrace.

 

[novaveritas]

Bold claims, but the evidence just isn't there. You want to see a rigged election? Check out what happened in Belarus this year.

please supply evidence of significant Belarus rigging.

The opposition in Belarus like in Venezuela, Russia and elsewhere are not as popular in their own countries as they are among the western liberal intelligentsia.

 

[alasdairm]

in case you are not sure who jenna ellis is, here are some of her thoughts on president trump: Trump’s lawyer once called him an ‘idiot’ who ‘really cannot be trusted’ to tell truth

"The Trump campaign’s senior legal adviser, Jenna Ellis, previously slammed the president as a narcissistic “idiot," a “bully,” and someone who “really cannot be trusted to be consistent or accurate in anything,” according to CNN’s KFile. Now Ms Ellis is spearheading the president’s attempts to challenge election results around the country, which are rooted in a baseless conspiracy theory that mass fraud prevented him from winning.

According to CNN, Ms Ellis, an attorney and former law professor from Colorado, regularly tore into the president in social media posts and media appearances before he was the Republican nominee in 2016. In various comments she said he wasn’t a “real Christian,” and that he made “disgusting” comments about women. On Facebook in March of 2016, she said Mr Trump’s values were “not American” and linked to a post calling him a “fascist.”

"Why should we rest our highest office in America, on a man who fundamentally goes back and forth and really cannot be trusted to be consistent or accurate in anything," Ms Ellis said in a April 2016 radio appearance."

alasdair

 

[Deru]

I disagree with how Trump has handled COVID (because I believe in protecting the vulnerable) but I'm young and fit and I seriously doubt it would make me sick. I'm not afraid of it in the slightest. If you look at hospitalization rates demographically, most people under the age of 50 have very mild flu-like symptoms. I've been through hell with addiction and withdrawal so many times that the flu is nothing to me now. It is a walk in the park. I hardly notice it.

This is where Trump failed so bad, in my opinion. He had the chance to lead and help shape how we viewed the virus so we all wanted to help mitigate the spread of the virus.

Instead, he chose division to further his own selfish agenda.

It's not about, and never was about, if you or a healthy person was not likely to get sick, it's about who you would unknowingly infect and so on, and if those people would develop severe or critical symptoms.

 

[JessFR]

This is where Trump failed so bad, in my opinion. He had the chance to lead and help shape how we viewed the virus so we all wanted to help mitigate the spread of the virus.

Instead, he chose division to further his own selfish agenda.

I know you probably already agree with this, but I don't think there was ever any chance at all of trump handling covid properly. It's just not his nature.

The only way he might have won is if covid hadn't happened. Which is pointless to speculate about because it's entire possible there are other disasters we don't know about that we just barely dodged.

I'm just glad we get 4 less years of trump, and the world gets to see how trump acts when he knows he's been fired.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

As I've said many times, I agree with you that the Trump administration has utterly failed to deal with COVID... but I also think there has been widespread failure on a state level and a corporate level and a personal level. The entire country has failed to contain this virus.

Take Cuomo for example. New York state is an absolute disaster. Isn't he (Cuomo) more responsible for this than Trump? Are we really supposed to believe he makes decisions according to a man that he has openly criticized for years? And, even if he did initially listen to Trump, why didn't he do something when the numbers spiked? State government is more in control of whether or not there is lock-down than federal government. Has a single US state done a lock-down yet? If not, why not?

Just to repeat my disclaimer: I'm NOT saying this isn't partly Trump's fault.

The only way he might have won is if covid hadn't happened.

He definitely would have won without COVID.

By the way, I don't mean to downplay the seriousness of this virus by questioning the long-term effects on young people. Perhaps there are a substantial number of young healthy people that have organ damage, etc... but I suspect there isn't and this is just typical MSM fear mongering. People are already scared enough. The truth is important.

 

[Deru]

@birdup.snaildown

Are you factoring in that even in states with a Democratic governor, but Republican controlled state legislature, those governors had their hands tied in regards to what they could implement in terms of lockdown or stay at home orders? Even if some that did issue statewide lockdown or stay at home orders, they were challenged and some overturned.

And therein lies a problem, because Republicans were terrified to cross Trump, so it was a constant battle between Democrats who wanted to stress social distancing and mitigation, and Republicans who were blatantly against it. It just blew my mind how incredibly irresponsible and dangerous it was to continue to cause division instead of urging everyone to come together, and, well, I can’t be the only one who thought that way based upon how the votes came out.

There were states that implemented statewide lockdowns or stay at home orders originally, but do you mean has a single US state implemented a lockdown recently?

 

[Deru]

As for lock-downs, there haven't been any hard lock-downs in the US that I'm aware of? If so, it doesn't seem like they've been particularly successful. Victoria Australia has proved that you can turn numbers around and get them to zero. I guess I just don't understand why no US state has done this?

In terms of what other countries have done, I don’t believe it would be constitutional to implement a lockdown of that nature here. That’s really why Trump had an even larger responsibility to help shape public opinion and try to get everyone to voluntarily participate in mitigation practices, I just can’t stress that portion enough.

New York state (which has the highest death rate) is under democratic legislative control.
New Jersey (second highest) is also dem... In fact, none of top 4 states (states with the worst death rates) in the US are either red states or under republican legislative control

I haven’t looked much at the recent data, but the first thing that comes to mind is population and population density. I know Fauci actually praised New York and New Jersey’s coronavirus response a month or so ago, but admittedly, I’m not sure where the data stands now.

 

[JessFR]

In terms of what other countries have done, I don’t believe it would be constitutional to implement a lockdown of that nature here.

I strongly suspect that it is, but id have to know specifically what kind of lockdown you were thinking of in order to check.

But there have been lots of quarantines in America's history that many Americans today would think were unconstitutional, but weren't.

 

[Xorkoth]

Damn Deru, sorry to hear about your symptoms, I didn't even realize you had COVID.

As I've said many times, I agree with you that the Trump administration has utterly failed to deal with COVID... but I also think there has been widespread failure on a state level and a corporate level and a personal level. The entire country has failed to contain this virus.

100%, absolutely. It is nonsense to put it all on Trump, though it is also true he had a big impact on it, and could have made a really positive impact. But humans are all free to make their own choices, especially in America. People had the ability to decide to wear cloth on their faces even if they weren't entirely convinced it would matter, if nothing else, to make things more comfortable for everyone else. State governments have control over their own policies, and business can choose to abide by the suggestions or not.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

100%, absolutely. It is nonsense to put it all on Trump, though it is also true he had a big impact on it, and could have made a really positive impact. But humans are all free to make their own choices, especially in America. People had the ability to decide to wear cloth on their faces even if they weren't entirely convinced it would matter, if nothing else, to make things more comfortable for everyone else. State governments have control over their own policies, and business can choose to abide by the suggestions or not.

I feel the same way about tax to some extent. I know a bunch of rich left wing people that complain that there isn't more wealth redistribution. I always tell them, "The government is more than willing to take your money." But they will never give more than they are told. It is always the governments fault for not forcing them to do the right thing.

 

[JessFR]

It is more trumps fault than anyone else's (although certainly not exclusively his fault) because he had the greatest power to affect and protect the greatest number of people. Not only did he not exercise it he deliberately took actions that endangered people.

And don't give me the "it's up to the states" bs. Courts have found before that the federal government does have this kind of power in times of emergency and has exercised it before. For better and worse.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

And don't give me the "it's up to the states" bs. Courts have found before that the federal government does have this kind of power in times of emergency and has exercised it before. For better and worse.

It's easier for the states to do it individually. Same thing goes for Australia. The federal Australian government could have intervened and taken control, but they didn't have to do that because the state governments did the right thing in the first place.

It is more trumps fault than anyone else's

What about Randy Marsh and Mickey Mouse?

 

[JGrimez]

Can't believe there are so many election fraud deniers.