RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V2

[Somberlain]

oh god... 6 months. i could never do that. it's not that i couldn't go 6 months without drugs (done that before), but 6 months in rehab...
but good luck to you and i admire you for making such a decision.

as far as suggestions go.. i wouldn't do too much, i think the best thing to do is to get high quality stuff and share with friends instead of just as high as you can as long as you can, as this will just make the first weeks of the rehab pure hell.

on topic: got news regarding liver damage and eth. my liver enzymes etc almost completely recovered (they were pretty high) in only 4 weeks. so, at least my liver doesn't really care about me taking eth.

 

[stratofortress]

Thanks man. Not got much of this EPH left, and i really don't want to come down and be struck with the realization of what I've just committed myself to!

As for which drugs will be my swansong of insobriety, opiates seem the obvious option. No good H where I am though. But there must be some on the internet.

Glad your liver's doing well. Been worried about mine recently, been pretty tender and I don't treat it well. Due a hep B jab as well after I was forced to fight a junkie I'd given money to score for me. Blood everywhere. First fight I've ever had, and I'm 24. Must have looked ridiculous. Got my H though. btw, What was up with your liver?

is there an irc here? before someone tells us to get a room...

 

[Somberlain]

from what i heard, the internet (if you're talking about the rc-world) isn't that great when it comes to opioids (esp. if you have any tolerance), but haven't tried what's out there at the moment myself yet.

i really messed with my liver after someone close to me died this summer. was drinking heavily for a few weeks and because i also take some meds daily that aren't that liver-friendly, that short period was enough to cause some damage (supposedly steatohepatitis - which means my liver wasn't that healthy before, it couldn't have gone from normal to "fatty liver" in such a short time, but my enzymes etc were always ok in the past). but it recovered incredibly fast. 4 weeks is a good time for almost full recovery if you consider that i still take meds and the ethylphenidate.

 

[stratofortress]

Sorry to hear that.

With regards to your liver, I always thought damage to cells there was permanent - or is that only if it gets to the cirrhosis stage? rhetorical question, I think I know the answer anyway. Still, good to hear the body's drug processing plant can take a beating.

Would you mind telling me what meds you were on? I read somewhere that Duloxetine, which I take, can aggravate liver damage when combined with alcohol. I pretty much disregarded it as shit and have continued to drink fairly heavily. But like I say, got a pain in my lower right torso. Heh, I used to be so paranoid about potential liver damage when I was doing a lot of EPH earlier this year. Even started a thread here somewhere seeking reassurance.

 

[Somberlain]

i'm pretty sure i did some permanent damage over time, but as long as it is the kind of damage that just sits there and only gets worse if you treat your liver like shit (unlike cirrhosis where it doesn't simply stop getting worse if you start living healthy) it's not that bad. i still have a fatty liver (at least it's pretty impossible for this to recover as fast as the enzymes etc), so i'm not completely healthy when it comes to the liver, but the enzymes were the important stuff right now.

i take venlafaxine, mirtazapine and valproic acid. especially valproic acid is known to be hard on the liver. the other two have the possibility to influence liver function but never showed anything like that since i take them. don't know about duloxetine though.

your liver doesn't really hurt, so that's not a specific sign in that direction. you only feel pain or discomfort when your liver gets bigger and creates pressure on other parts if i recall correctly. so pain is more likely to be a sign of something else. (but that's just what i know or was told by doctors)

 

[stratofortress]

That's reassuring to know. How do you find venlafaxine and mirtazapine? I've been on both in the past myself (i hope no mods are lurking cos we're getting so off topic). Venlafaxine did not agree with me, to put it mildly. I was on it for about 4 months, and almost every night of those 4 months I got hardly any sleep. Honestly I was a mess. Also had tremors, heart palpitations, and I sweat buckets doing anything more strenuous than walking to the bus stop. Where embarrassment would ensue. On the plus side it was a little 'speedy'. Complete opposite of mirtazapine - I can see the logic in prescribing both together, especially as a means to combat the insomnia of v. You find them any good?

Shit just licked out the last of the baggy. Time for pregabalin, benzos and beer.

 

[Somberlain]

well, i think it's not overstating to say that this combination saved my life. i had really severe anxiety up to the point where i took stupid amounts of benzos daily (like ~8mg xanax over the day and 30-45mg midazolam in the evening) just to function (which was pretty much a stupid idea in the first place, because i didn't get shit done in university that semester in the end anyway because i was so filled up with pills). and when the benzos weren't enough anymore to take care of the anxiety issues i was prescribed oxycodone. to put it short: nasty anxiety issues - too much benzos - too much oxycodone. i ended up in a rehab/hospital where i was kept over 2 months just to get me off all the stuff safely.

then i started mirtazapine. it helped a bit, but made me lethargic, fat and tired. so venlafaxine was added and totally unexpected the combination kicked in like a bomb. 2 weeks after adding the venlafaxine my panic attacks finally stopped and i haven't had any serious attacks since then. there are many side effects to this combination but they are much better than everything my life was before. but as it seems to be the case with you, not everyone can take venlafaxine. i know many people who get terrible side effects that are just unacceptable. i was just lucky i tolerated it relatively well. also, since mirtazapine i never had any sleeping troubles anymore. had problems with my sleep for almost all my life before that.

but this has a terrible downside (of course): the withdrawal from this combination (or just one of the drugs) is hell. worse than benzo or opioid wd for me. so i don't expect to be able to kick this meds anytime soon...

and i have to stay away from weed, but that's most likely a good thing as excessive weed smoking was certainly one factor in developing the anxiety issues. (not blaming the drug, it was my fault to still consume it excessively even after first warning signs showed up)

oh, and i have the feeling that this combination has given me a high tolerance for stimulants. i have to take pretty large doses of stims to really get stimulated and i think this is because of the meds (in the past i was very sensitive to stims).

oh, and yeah, we're getting pretty off-topic. i hope the mods are in a forgiving mood as i'm new here.

 

[stratofortress]

I kicked venlafaxine cold turkey after 4 months of use, and no, it wasn't much fun. I was on the highest dose, but for a relatively short period of time, so my withdrawal would have been 'unpleasant' but not unbearable. Pretty much like minor opiate withdrawal for me - no sleep for a few days, chills and aches, irrational emotional responses...eh wasn't awful though. Don't necessarily expect it to be hell. Mirtazapine WD after 5 months was barely noticeable imo.

Oh, rereading your post it seems you've kicked both these before...ah well. Considered using poppy tea or some other long lasting opiate to ease the eventual WD?

And your point about increased stim tolerance is very true. On the plus side, the comedowns don't make me want to kill myself.

 

[Somberlain]

yeah, i think when i finally decide to get off the meds i will use something like poppy tea, lyrica etc to make it bearable. but at the moment i tend to think my doc might be right and i should be happy that i don't have the problems i had before the medication and wait until i'm as physically and mentally stable as i can be before i try to kick them. i tried it twice just because i didn't want to be so dependent on those things and didn't want to take so many meds every day anymore, but it seems a lot of people feel this way when they think they don't need the meds anymore just to find out they aren't as stable as they thought they were when they stop taking them.

strangely, i never had problems with comedowns from stimulants. only a 10 day coke binge gave me a real nasty comedown, but other than that, i seem to be relatively immune to those. i get more of a comedown from opioids in comparison.

edit: erm, unrelated question... i just discovered that one of my nostrils seems to be blocked (not completely, but pretty much) by something you can't just snort/wash out..
it's kind of a round, pretty hard/solid thing and i can reach it if i use my little finger. it sits right where the "face-part" of the nose ends and i'm a bit worried about it. what could it be? swollen sinuses from snorting stuff or something like that? i never had something like this so i don't know. i'm pretty sure that this shouldn't be there - or maybe i just never recognised it before because i didn't examine/wash/clean my nose so much before.

 

[stratofortress]

I'd stop worrying. I've been there. Not sure what it is really, but it'll come out eventually. I used to shit myself when i first found lumps in my nose. Let me have done all the shit-scared-anxiety for you. Really, it's nothing to worry about.

You still got some EPH left? I'm out

Might smoke a cigarette.

 

[Somberlain]

Hmm ok, thanks. I was just worried because that thing really feels like it is somehow part of my body (hurts etc) and seems so rock solid und connected to my upper nose that it's hard to imagine it will come out somehow.

Yeah, but only about 1/4 of a gram. So i will be out pretty soon too.
But i should take a break from it anyway. Will feel like shit for 2-3 days.. i think it somehow fucks with my body temperature/regulation, cause when i don't take it, i feel cold all the time.

Cigs are strange with EPH. On any other stimulant i turn into a chain smoker. But on EPH i smoke less than usual. When i smoke, it's pretty damn good, but i just don't feel the need to.

 

[stratofortress]

Aww man you got any benzos for after? Take it you live in UK - ever buy etizolam with EPH? RC vendors jack up their prices but 10 pills per gram of EPH seems to be enough to get you through...

 

[Somberlain]

I actually thought my flawed english would give away that i'm not from the uk/us. But maybe it's not that bad after all. :D

I actually live in germany. Not the best country to live in when it comes to drugs... Had Etizolam once but it's one of the few benzos i don't really enjoy. Only thing i have here are 2 tabs bromazepam and i think i should keep them for when they are really needed. :/

 

[stratofortress]

Well i knew you weren't from the US because your English is too good. Man this thread has gone so off topic. It's just 2 people talking.

 

[Somberlain]

Yeah, maybe we should just help this thread out and bring it back on topic. For example i'd like to know how much i'm really missing when it comes to combining EPH with alcohol. Is it really that good (or different) or is alcohol just a way to make it more enjoyable by taking away some of the side effects?

 

[stratofortress]

I suppose it varies from person to person. I can get quite bad anxiety drinking alcohol alone, so I'd be wary of mixing the two myself. But then alcohol is a sedative hypnotic so perhaps would take the nasty edges off an EPH high.

Oh fuck me what have i done. I need drugs like I need oxygen. why did i sign up to that rehab thing. fuck fuck fuck

 

[Somberlain]

Alcohol on its own is quite anxiolytic for me, so yeah, you're propably right and it just varies. But there are people (here and in other forums) who say they only take it with alcohol because it's so good or because they don't like it on its own. I must say i like EPH on its own, but there's always the need for at least some kind of downer after a while.

Don't think too much about it or panic. I also think i need drugs and will be taking some kind of drugs all my life, but even if that's the case - a rehab like that is still good for you. You need a break from time to time and most people (including me) have a hard time staying sober for long without beeing forced to. A 6 month rehab is frightening, of course, but it will give your mind and body a break. You'll do something good for your physical and mental health and come out of there stronger (jesus, i sound like advertising). And when you've gone through this, you can continue doing drugs. And maybe you won't feel the need to do as much as before and have a better way of dealing with it. And even if not, the experience will almost certainly be good for you.
You can do so much in 6 months, even if the place turns out to be shit. Just treating your body good for the time, getting in shape and maybe do some studying if that's your thing. Going out there after 6 months and being clear, focused and healthy is a damn good thing, so it is at least worth a try.

I know, kind of hypocritic that someone who doesn't want to go there either writes this, but i mean it. But i can say that i've been there (rehab and other places like that). Not for 6 months though - the longest was 3 months. I always hated it and thought it sucked. But if i look back, it was worth it everytime because, like i said, you just need a break from time to time if you live a life that puts a lot of stress on your mind and body. And damn, i decided what i wanted to do with my life when i was in rehab and it still seems to be the right choice, so yeah, i would go.

 

[stratofortress]

Huhhhhhhhhhhh I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that as consolation; you also raise a number of valid points. I know it'll do me good physically and mentally (well i hope it will), but the thought of no evening beers, no mind sapping benzos or soul warming opiates..well let's not think about that now.

Seriously though, thanks for your kind words.

>Completely off topic


say, you got msn or anything so we're not cluttering up this thread? or is that really creepy? I wouldn't have asked had i not had a fair few benzos and beers. fuck i feel like such a scumbag. that doesn't help though does it?? positive thinking.....

edit: sorry, I'm a socially inept mess wanting to offload my own problems onto somebody who has plenty of their own.

 

[Somberlain]

hey that's no problem at all, no need to apologize. i don't have msn though, i can only offer icq. feel free to write me a pm, i don't think it's creepy or anything. i'm just not in front of the screen all the time so it sometimes takes a while until i answer (like now).

 

[Morkin]

Anyway I'd like to contribute 2 points to the discussion: the first regarding ROA; the second requesting any informed input over some concerns I've developed over neurotoxicity.

Interesting tip & speculation - thank you.

Would expect that you'd need to use this chem from the medium-to-long term to develop a brain disease (if indeed there's a connection) though.