RCs The Ethylphenidate (Ethyl phenyl(piperidin-2-yl)acetate) Megathread V1

[BluLait]

Aight, will try that.

 

[MrFister]

Quit snorting the stuff, just bomb it. 50mg bomb will have you buzzing. Rack up the bomb count and you'll remain flying for a good few hours. No stress on the stomach whatsoever (as far as I can realistically tell).

Hey pete you seem like you have a decent amount of experience with EPH. I use adderall for productivity purposes in school, but I find that it gives me FAR too much PNS stimulation to function comfortably on a night out. I'm receiving some EPH this week, is it more of a stim for staying at home and working on a paper? Or is it suitable for going out to a house party or something.

 

[BluLait]

That's what I wanna know, I can't figure this drug out.
One thing is certain, it is good for something!

 

[Groundhog]

That's what I wanna know, I can't figure this drug out.
One thing is certain, it is good for something!

Check your PM mate, I hope you will what you find the answers there you are looking for
Once you get to the point of figuring it out you will be in very deep.....

 

[Groundhog]

Hey pete you seem like you have a decent amount of experience with EPH. I use adderall for productivity purposes in school, but I find that it gives me FAR too much PNS stimulation to function comfortably on a night out. I'm receiving some EPH this week, is it more of a stim for staying at home and working on a paper? Or is it suitable for going out to a house party or something.

Sorry if I poking my nose in, I know this question was aimed at JSPete who I agree has a good amount of experience and knowledge on this, I havent used Adderall but I would expect you will find the same discomfort from EPD on a night out. If you are going to use it at all, I think you will get the best out of it at home and working on a paper. House party maybe ok but this stuff can easily cause anxiety and panic so unless you are drinking, sensibly, then you could easily feel uncomfortable without alcohol to soften the anxiety. I don't reccommend mixing with alcohol some people havent reacted well but it has eased it with me and strangely enough seemed to lessen the vasoconstriction.

But I do fear advising anyone to do something that may cause them harm, everyones body reacts differently, just because I didnt have any problems with it doesn't mean it is safe for others, so be careful and choose yourself what you do.

And as many others have said DON'T snort it. Bomb it only if you choose to use it at all.

 

[Groundhog]

Really excellent reports there, Groundhog. Thanks for taking the time to write them...Everything you said resonates with my own experiences, right down to the ridiculous oral doses. Asides from the recent vasoconstriction, I had issues with stimulant psychosis and my EPH use has left me prone to random and spontaneous anxiety attacks (not too debilitating, they're short acting once I get my head round them, and they usually happen on the verge of sleep). How much weight have you lost, out of interest? I lost far too much after 1 month and 25g, I hate to think how much you've lost after 3 months and 50g.

The weight loss has been suprisingly miminal, at times I feel the overwheling need to eat when using EPD, I get a massively weak feeling and my body is screaming at me to eat. Never had this with any other stim, I lost at least 1/2 stone on MPA (I weigh usually under 11 stone and never put on weight, and when not on stims the amount of food i get through should make me weigh 20 stone!) due to total appetite suppression but not with EPD. I can't say I always want to eat it but my body demands it so I kept nutrition up by eating scrambled eggs and porridge for breakfast and live solely on a shit load of bananas, soup, lucozade, tea and nutrition shakes and an easy to swallow type of dinner. I must admit if you snort it it makes it very hard to want food but orally I feel like I'd collapse if I dont. I also take a handful of a combination of vitamins which I'm sure have helped consideraly.

I've had the psychosis too typical of dopamine overload, I have caned the fuck out of MDPV so I am very aquainted with stim pshycosis and realise it for what it is so I can handle it, don't know if you've used PV but you will have had a vey intense lesson in the stim induced psychosis if you have. I've been lucky that I havent had some of the horror stories of others that have resulted hiding under the bed with a knife thinking someone is able to walk through the wall and is out to kill them. SoapMcTavish has some very interesting reports on MDPV!!!

Do you get these anxiety attacks when not using EPD? I only experience this when the euphoric, mind opening, effects start to wear off and turn into the absolute opposite on you unless you re-dose. The mindset when it wears off turns me into a different person. The power that gave you open minded, inspirational positive focus has the same power to focus on worries problems and negatives that you never really thought of before, just maybe exisiting subconsciously before this lets it surface.

Also noticed you said you don't get stomach upset, I can and do get severely fucking nauseous, and retch quite alot, although I smoke more cigarrettes than I breathe oxygen on this so that might contribute to it.

Hows the vasoconstriction mate?

 

[effie]

There is a megathread on this in Other Drugs so I am going to send it over, hope that is okay

BDD > OD

 

[Tripman]

Please don't cross post threads in multiple sub-forums on BL.

Closed.

 

[Tripman]

Reopening. Didn't notice effie moved this from BDD so i saw it in both forums... Also Merged with the mega thread.

 

[Cyanoide]

By the way, if you have access to mirtazapine, it is super effective for the comedown and sleep. Yesterday I took 60 mg (a very high dose) and it completely wiped away all of the effects of EPH (mirtazapine in such high doses starts blocking dopamin and norepinephrine, so it also acts as an anti-psychotic), gave me a warm fuzzy feeling and then knocked me out. It reduced all anxiety to zero. Slept for 6,5 hours straight. The only downside is you're very groggy and spaced out the next day but better than a sleepless night or comedown. And the grogginess eases as the day goes by. This effect will however not be that pronounced if you use mirtazapine daily. I don't use it daily anymore but have hundreds of tablets and have prescription so I get more.

Lyrica is great too if you don't want to knock yourself out.

I still haven't experienced any especially nasty burn. Granted, I haven't snorted more than 25 mg at once. Small bumps seem to help in this regard. Sure it stings a little, but it's not the worst compound for my nose that I've snorted. MDAI and Camfetamine felt like snorting glass or mini razor blades.

 

[Groundhog]

Check your PM mate, I hope you will what you find the answers there you are looking for
Once you get to the point of figuring it out you will be in very deep.....

Hi BluLait I replied to one of your PM's before I saw the other one you sent, It won't let me send another PM for another 180mins so I'll get back to your other one when it allows.

 

[Groundhog]

from my research it's become apparent that ethylphenidate has caustic effects. this is inconvenient because the best ROA seems to be insufflation. i am wondering if this is due to acidity and could therefore be eliminated with a base like baking soda or another antacid. Does anybody know if ethylphenidate is acidic, or maybe have some and ph paper and could find out?

i'm also concerned, especially if the damage is caused by something other than a low ph, that oral consumption could eventually cause long-term gastrointestinal problems.
i know that very little is known about this substance and that experimenting with it could hold a variety of unforeseen dangers.

any thoughts?

It is definitely caustic, without a doubt. pH test showed up to be around pH 7.0 so it's not very acidic then? Unless the test wasnt accurate, but I tried a test with lemon juice which was the closest acidic thing I had around and the test showed a pH of 4.0 which is most definitely acidic.

The pH test has a range of 4.0 - 7.0 but I think that is sufficient enough to give some sort of definition that EPD is more alkaline than acid which I didnt expect.
I dissolved 60mg in about 1ml of water, so the pH of the water shouldn't have have interfered with the test result?
Or would it have done?

It is an irritant in some way or another as I do experience nausea when I bomb a significant amount. Would this be, if it is alkaline and the stomach contains acid that it causes a pH rise and imbalance in the stomach?

I'm not as scientifically educated as I would like to be so this is only my uninformed hypothesis. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

 

[drunken_etard]

Not shur if this worked. But I watched this guy cook ethylphenidate with baking soda in a spoon like crack and it came back like rocks. It didnt dry right away. I watched him smoke a few hits and his pupils went huge and he started talking and grinding his teeth. I cant tell you if it actually went into a freebase or not. If sooo thats kinda crazy. I dont do any drugs but weed now so I didnt try it.

 

[Groundhog]

groundhog, it sounds like it could be very basic, if your ph test range is 4-7 and it showed a 7. i might order some ph paper myself and see. the ph of the water was probably very close to 7, even tap water.
i'm also not as educated as i'd like to be (yet). i have no idea what properties other than ph could cause the irritant effect other than blade-like crystals.?

i'm not sure but i think there's a hcl form available and another that's not specified as an hcl salt... not sure if they're the same, but i think that in hcl form it would probably be acidic in solution? because of the hydrogen ions

maybe i should go back and read about the acetone wash i glanced over, i'm curious about that. however if the chemical is supposed to be 98-99% pure... it must be some seriously strong adulterant that's being washed out if that's an effective method. otherwise perhaps it's a chemical reaction with the ethylphenidate itself that causing the result.

other than that, i might try to get pure methanol (not sure how easy that would be) and just dump some of the ethylphenidate in there, let it evaporate, and try to judge if it might have been converted into methylphenidate based on maybe ph test and its effects, dosage differences... but there's also the complication of not knowing the isomer ratio or which of them if not both might be converted.

i would be Very hesitant to inhale this stuff... i really don't want to get emphysema

also i'm thinking that maybe insufflation would be more responsible than swallowing it, because i think that a deviated septum would be a hell of a lot better to deal with than something like crohn's disease. not sure how likely that is to happen, especially with lots of water, and ph correction if that turns out to seem like it might be helpful

with the thing about coadministration of alcohol and racemic methylphenidate resulting in ethylphenidate formation, i am not aware of the ethylphenidate in those instances being known to cause any problems except being hard on the liver (not sure)... and hopefully if there's liver damage from that it wouldn't be caused by ethylphenidate that's not being converted within the body.

kind of a headache but this is interesting

I did try a test on the water aswell to check if that could interfere with the EPD test and the pH was alkaline, 7.0.

But as I used a higher ratio of EPD to the amount of water, I thought that if the EPD was significantly acidic then it would at least show to some extent, a lower pH level than what the reading the water only test had shown.

Just to add I performed the test with the powder EPD not the crystal. The crystal is definitely more caustic than the powder I think, and not because the crystal is more abrasive due to the sharper edges of its structure, but the powder is still very caustic too.

If you put the crystal under your tounge, sublingually it burnt the flesh, visibly. The powder if you sublingual also burns but to a much lesser degree.

I don't think any of the washes that are described in this thread can cause it to be anymore less caustic to be honest, I've had a play about with them and it didn't really make much difference, I could of performed the washes with a bit more effort and time so there may be a way to gain a more successful result but I don't think there is a large enough impurity to wash out. The physical appearance of the powder and crystal look very clean, I know you can't rely on just how it looks to verify the purity but I would assume there would be some apparent evidence even if only slightly. The powder is brilliant white, very fine and consistent in density throughout. I would also think there would be a detectable chemical odour from any impure residue in it but it doesn't really smell at all. The smell from a small bag of chinese
4-MMC was very potent in pre-ban days and I'm sure that was because it wasn't getting washed thoroughly after synthesis.

Insufflating this stuff is definitely not the more responsible ROA over oral. I insufflated for quite a while in the beginning and ignored the burn and continued doing it until the pain was so intense I shone a torch up my nostrils and I nearly leapt from the mirror in complete shock. My nose has been well aquainted to things that shouldn't be going up there over the years but I had never seen anything like this. It wasn't a bit red and sore, the entire length of my septum was chemical burnt all the way up to the inside nasal cavity. Green and yellow burns that looked like it was nearly exposing the cartilidge under what should have been the nasal lining tissue. It looked as if hydrochloric acid had been having a party up there. Seriously. I always blew out a lump which can identify as to wether it was flesh or whatever congealment it might be.

Thats when I started orally. The only way if you are going to use it. I can get nausesous and do, but the nasal damage is just not worth even considering IME.

I also have inhaled it, I have vapourised it and smoked directly through a bong, which i'll tell you caused the acrylic to perish and crack and left the most vile filth of residue I have seen. I have also never inhaled something so harsh as the vapour from that. Might be good to mention now that I do try to be responsible but do tend to push the limits at times and I smoked up to 500mg several times and to be honest I don't know how my lungs and throat survived after what it did to the acrylic of the bong.

I agree that the ethylphenidate that has been converted in the body from metabolising alcohol and methylphenidate, is not the same as if it had been chemically synthesised.

Let me know how you get on with any experiments you carry out with it.

 

[lynx2051]

I've got some coming today, has anyone very tried mixing it with a drink, or just disolving on the tounge? From what I remember when I snorted it once it was very painful. But it didn't taste too bad.

When ever I take this wrapped in paper it takes a good hour to work with me, maybe I should use thinner papers, or just empty a capsule?

 

[Groundhog]

I've got some coming today, has anyone very tried mixing it with a drink, or just disolving on the tounge? From what I remember when I snorted it once it was very painful. But it didn't taste too bad.

When ever I take this wrapped in paper it takes a good hour to work with me, maybe I should use thinner papers, or just empty a capsule?

Yeah. When i started using orally i dissolved it in a small camera film pot with water and drank it, its weird though, when i bomb it its come on quicker than liquid at times. If you have crystal do not put it on your tongue or underneath it. It will fucking burn it.
With powder I have tried it under the tongue and you don't get much burn but it can still burn a bit. What i did try is mixing a bit of salt in and putting it under my tongue as salt heals wounds so I thought it might stop the burn. It does work to a degree.
DONT fucking snort it! I jsut tried a line and its fucking burning again!

 

[lynx2051]

Yeah. When i started using orally i dissolved it in a small camera film pot with water and drank it, its weird though, when i bomb it its come on quicker than liquid at times. If you have crystal do not put it on your tongue or underneath it. It will fucking burn it.
With powder I have tried it under the tongue and you don't get much burn but it can still burn a bit. What i did try is mixing a bit of salt in and putting it under my tongue as salt heals wounds so I thought it might stop the burn. It does work to a degree.
DONT fucking snort it! I jsut tried a line and its fucking burning again!

Yeah, I'm never snorting this again. I tried taking orally about a month ago but if I go above 35mg in one go it feels quite edgy (I've never re-dosed and only tried it twice). I'll try a 20mg oral dose when it arrives, I might even dissolve it in a cup of tea or coffee I'm disappointed it didn't come in the post as it's my day off today. Will have to wait until tomorrow.

Has anyone ever tried this at work? I'm in training for a job atm and some days I have very poor focus and memory like a gold fish.

 

[Cyanoide]

The nature of this compound is very different orally than nasally. There's a very very thin line between feeling good and getting extremely strong anxiety and panic attacks when snorting for me, and it's much more moreish when snorted. I've never encountered a compound that gives me panic attacks so easily. Hell, I've felt pure terror on 5-MeO-DMT a few times but this stuff was worse.

I was about to throw this stuff away because I just thought my mind can't handle it, but then I decided to give it a try orally and the difference is remarkable. I don't know what it is about me but speed, meth, coke and MPA are the only stims I can snort in moderates doses and feel great on without any anxiety or panic.

[QUOHas anyone ever tried this at work? I'm in training for a job atm and some days I have very poor focus and memory like a gold fish.

I've tried this at work, a couple of days ago but then I snorted it and was luckily alone at the office because I felt very panicky at times. Today I'm at the office (alone, again) and swallowed 25 mg 50 minutes ago, I'm feeling just fine. Warm and slightly stimulated feeling, no rush and no anxiety. While I didn't have any problems with my nose snorting it, I couldn't handle it mentally. Orally it's much more "kind". It's perfectly functional at work as long as you don't overdo it.

The secretary who usually handles customer care is sick so I'm doing it today, no problems at all, I feel a bit more chatty than usual. But no problems with focus. Still I wouldn't take more than 25-30 mg orally at work.

 

[Lustmord]

Just ordered a gram of this stuff to try.

But, I live with my girlfriend, and I just don't want her knowing. (She'll be leaving for vacation for a week, that's where this stuff comes in.)

So, I have two questions. If I were to try this stuff out before she leaves, how noticable are the effects? Could I get away with a line or two
of 30 mgs around her?

Also, seeing as I don't have a scale, could someone post a picture of 30 mgs next to a penny/dime, so I can eyeball it accurately enough?

Thanks ahead of time!

EDIT: Also, a question that was asked earlier by someone else but remains unanswered: When should I expect to sleep after say 2 doses of 30 mg, an hour or so apart?
Trying to keep myself in control this time. >_>

 

[Lustmord]

maybe ethylphenidate is an oxidizing agent. but would that make sense, if it is one that means it would change chemically and be a different substance. the reaction could release a variety of ions that could themselves be corrosive. maybe it's plausible if only a fraction of the drug reacts very quickly.. i don't know. hopefully someone else does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_oxidation

I doubt that's it. (I've yet to take Organic chem, but I have taken general chemistry.)