gubmint publikashun said:
The three piperazines were not quantitated; however, based on the TIC and GC, the BZP and TFMPP were both higher in concentration than the MDMA and methamphetamine
medicine cabinet said:
^ fo realz. that mix sounds like it could be dangerous. i dont know much about piperizines but it seems like the interaction of those two drugs with MDMA could be potentially life threatening.
somewhere a bunch of pill pressers are making tons of $ and building up some bad karma.
It's not a dangerous combo at that dosage. If there were 125mg instead of 10.9mg (what a f**king waste!!), THEN it could potentially be dangerous. But with the dosage of MDMA dialed down THAT low, I wouldn't worry about dangerous interactions. Also, the Methamphetamine content was at 6.1 MG. Folks, with the dosages THAT low, you're not going to feel anything. Not even a taste. (maybe the equivalent of a tease if your body chemistry is sensitive enough..)
The only potential danger would be people taking more than 1 pill at a time, as does often happen these days.
but wait said:
The tablets also contained MDP2P and piperonal
Ok, now that's just dumb. What kind of lab are these idiots running? Apparently not a good one. These are not good pills if they have waste material left over from the production process in them. That's just unsafe, and sloppy.
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As far as BZP and TFMPP go, they're sold OTC in Britain as "
Part-E-Pills", or "
California Sunrise". It's not a dangerous combination by any means for all but that minor percentage of the population that's bound to have an adverse reaction to SOMETHING. It's actually a pleasant combination, not all that unlike a mild version of speed, with some euphoria. While there is euphoria, it is not, Not, NOT MDMA.
The real danger here is people finding out that they've been ripped off by buying "bunk" pills. And I agree with you on the bad karma. Unfortunately, the DEA is not in the business of ensuring the supply is clean. I think that while there are some people there who are concerned about harm reduction, mostly, it's a group of trigger-happy people that just go busting drug dealers willy-nilly, because they think it's the right thing to do (and until policy changes, for the most part, neither will they). And the really f**ked up part is, if someone happened to be manufacturing pills that were 100% pure, they'd be the ones likely to get busted FIRST, before these schmucks that are making bunk pressies.
more official gubmint stuff said:
Analysis of the tablets (total net mass 198.1 grams) by GC/MS, TLC, and GC confirmed MDMA (10.9 milligrams/tablet), adulterated with methamphetamine (6.1 milligrams/tablet), N-benzylpiperazine (BZP), 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)-piperazine (TFMPP), dibenzylpiperazine, caffeine, and procaine
Procaine? Swallowing that won't do hardly anything. It's route of administration is IM. dibenzylpiperazine......well....since it's not mentioned except once, I'm imagining the dosage is low. I really don't see anything of any concern other than the fact that it's
certainly not pure, and
certainly not safe. I certainly wouldn't take more than 1, but knowing the contents, I wouldn't even take
one!
Wikipedia said:
Presence of DBZP is a marker for low quality or badly made BZP. It can be made as a reaction byproduct during BZP synthesis, either because the reaction has been run at too high a temperature, or because an excess of benzyl chloride has been used.
The toxicity of DBZP is unknown. It is not believed to have any stimulant effects in its own right, although this has not been tested.
Wait a minute! Didn't I already say "sloppy'?? Advice to anyone reading this thread who has any of the above-listed pills in this thread --
DON'T take them. It's already been discussed that there appears to be a wide variety of substances in these assorted presses. I know I'm the new guy, but this ought to be a bright red flag to anyone reading all this to
buy a testing kit! It may end up saving your life (and your brain)! (People that pass these things out at parties, THIS MEANS YOU TOO!)
OH! And you can add the "Red Lady" press to the list (same lady logo as the reverse side of the white lady Kappa/G.Spots). It's got the logo on one side and is domed on the other. It's bunk.
