The EADD Poppy Pods & Seeds Thread v1 - Watch Out For the Mould!!!

[leet]

Insufficient thinning of seedlings can also result in small pods - as I've found out to my detriment this year...

I try and grow poppies every year from seed and do so poorly. The Taliban would just shoot me. I spent ?5 on seeds and have thinned them out this year savagely, meaning I've got about 10 plants for a fiver - poor value I'd say. Mine are still very much seedlings though, from the sound of things yours are much further along? I planted at the start of May, are yours an autumn sow F.U.B.A.R.?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Mine are still very much seedlings though, from the sound of things yours are much further along? I planted at the start of May, are yours an autumn sow F.U.B.A.R.?

Yes mate. Many of mine have flowered now and the pods are maturing.

I too have been growing for several years now, but germination rates have been very poor. I usually sow the seeds around march time and last year was probably the most successful grow yet, though only a fraction of what I sowed actually germinated - which probably wasn't a bad thing as no thinning was necessary.

However, I've read that germination rates can be improved by sowing late in the year so that the seeds are subjected to a bit of freeze/thaw action.

So in October last year I scattered literally thousands of seeds on my patch, expecting only a fraction to germinate. I couldn't believe it when the vast majority of them germinated within a few weeks resulting in my patch being carpeted with little seedlings before any frost had even hit.

As winter progressed, they appeared to lie dormant until March this year when they began to grow again.

I held off thinning them out until a few weeks ago so I could see which ones were dominant, but I fear I left it too late as although I've pulled up hundreds of the fuckers, the growth of the remainder has been retarded. I do have some decent specimens, but most are under a metre high, whereas last year most were as tall as me (5 foot 11).

The one saving grace is that the pod quantity should more than make up for lack of size...


Edit: Forgot to mention that the healthiest plants are those that I've pissed on during the night. As I'm an old cunt, I often wake up in the early hours desperate for a piss. However, this is usually accompanied by a raging hard-on. Therefore, going to the toilet is not an option as I'll just spray the fuckin wall (ya know what I mean fellas?). So I've been going outside and pissing on me poppies - though only some have been in the line of fire. These are significantly larger than the others.

Just don't accept a cup of poppy tea from me


Edit No.2:

Here's a pic - the large ones at the back are the ones I pissed on...

 

[Sadie]

Now when I look at your flowers all I can imagine is your boner spraying them with piss at dawns break.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Now when I look at your flowers all I can imagine is your MASSIVE boner spraying them with piss at dawns break.

Fixed

 

[BecomingJulie]

Just don't get caught ..... And if you do get caught, just remember almost anything you can say in that sort of a situation is only likely to make things ten times worse than they already are, so keep your trap shut. Which is useful advice anyway, if you're trying to pee with a stiffy.

Last time I got struck by the urge to go natural in the appropriately-named wee small hours of the morning, I donned my padded bra and a dress, all set for easy access. Knowing I would not be going very far, I slid my sockless feet straight into my boots ..... and then I turned back from the door, and went back and put on a pair of knickers after all. The whole time I was squatting there, wishing I didn't have to hold the crotch out of the way, the only thought going through my mind was What a tart. How the hell is it going to look any less bad, me saying Well at least I put some underwear on, Your Honour if it comes to that?

 

[Forever Changes]

Yeh, the fact that the pods still contain seeds suggests they are immature, otherwise they would have all fallen out long before being shipped. The way to tell is if the crown is pointing up away from the pod, revealing the holes through which the seeds are released. If not, then they are immature.

However, there are now many varieties of Papaver somniferum of widely varying size and latex content, so even if they are mature, they could still be bunk.

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that's what I wonder about the ones I get. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but I wonder if the florists deliberately sell varieties that lack alkaloids

so far I haven't made any tea that has had any real pleasant effects - no high or anything, perhaps slight sedation. However I have definitely had a few times when I've experinced some very negative effects the next day - a splitting hangover/migraine, nausea and constipation

At other times I will drink a whole glass of tea and feel nothing - good nor bad

So that kind of sucks but I'm not giving up yet. I think my brewing method is sound, so it's perhaps the pods. Although I've read a number of people warn not to have the water too hot so I steep it in lukewarm water

 

[BecomingJulie]

I think my brewing method is sound, so it's perhaps the pods. Although I've read a number of people warn not to have the water too hot so I steep it in lukewarm water

While other people vape the stuff; so boiling water at a poxy hundred degrees is hardly likely to do much harm, and will certainly pick up more of the soluble material than lukewarm.

I'd say it's definitely worth experimenting with higher temperatures.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Just don't get caught ..... And if you do get caught, just remember almost anything you can say in that sort of a situation is only likely to make things ten times worse than they already are, so keep your trap shut. Which is useful advice anyway, if you're trying to pee with a stiffy.

Last time I got struck by the urge to go natural in the appropriately-named wee small hours of the morning, I donned my padded bra and a dress, all set for easy access. Knowing I would not be going very far, I slid my sockless feet straight into my boots ..... and then I turned back from the door, and went back and put on a pair of knickers after all. The whole time I was squatting there, wishing I didn't have to hold the crotch out of the way, the only thought going through my mind was What a tart. How the hell is it going to look any less bad, me saying Well at least I put some underwear on, Your Honour if it comes to that?

Gold!

While other people vape the stuff; so boiling water at a poxy hundred degrees is hardly likely to do much harm, and will certainly pick up more of the soluble material than lukewarm.

I'd say it's definitely worth experimenting with higher temperatures.

Yeh, definitely try hotter! I like to simmer mine - i.e. just under boiling point for 20 - 30 minutes.

 

[BecomingJulie]

Gold!

As in showers?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

As in showers?

Oh yes! All you have to do is dress up as a poppy and you'll fuckin get it...

 

[BecomingJulie]

Oh yes! All you have to do is dress up as a poppy and you'll fuckin get it...

With or without the fappiness?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

With or without the fappiness?

With, obviously...

 

[Forever Changes]

While other people vape the stuff; so boiling water at a poxy hundred degrees is hardly likely to do much harm, and will certainly pick up more of the soluble material than lukewarm.

I'd say it's definitely worth experimenting with higher temperatures.

that's good to know, but aren't morphine and codeine soluble in cold water, hence why we can do CWEs on the pills?

I grind the pods into a fine powder so it shouldn't take much heat to seep out the alkaloids I reckon

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

that's good to know, but aren't morphine and codeine soluble in cold water, hence why we can do CWEs on the pills?

I grind the pods into a fine powder so it shouldn't take much heat to seep out the alkaloids I reckon

There's a difference between compounds which have been processed and those that are still locked in the organic matrix. Codeine in pills is usually in the form of codeine phosphate - a salt. As we all know, salts are highly soluble in water. However, codeine, morphine etc. does not exist as a salt in the plant form so extraction is a little tricky, usually involving a combination of heat, time, and the addition of an acid (lemon juice, citric etc.) to facilitate the reaction.

Edit: I'm no chemist so my terminology may not be perfect, but I'm sure Sir Chicken will be able to set us straight.

 

[BecomingJulie]

With the pills, you're relying on a salt of the opioid (usually codeine phosphate or dihydrocodeine tartarate) being more soluble in cold water than the adulterant (invariably paracetamol).

In the plant, you have the alkaloids as the freebase form, which is not very soluble even in hot water. But they will react with almost any acid at all to give a salt which is usually soluble. Even a weak acid will do, and those tend to be the most soluble salts anyway; probably because there are not so many charged particles kicking around that they crowd one another out. So you needn't make it too acidic to be drinkable. Even ordinary tea is acidic enough to react with the poppy alkaloids to produce morphine tannate inter alia, so add some teabags with the pods. Earl Grey tea, if you're into that sort of thing, contains citric acid as well as tannic acid.

If for some reason you wished to recover the freebase, you would have to react the salt with some alkali or other. The bond holding the acid to the alkalkoid is already strongly polarised; in the presence of OH- ions, the hydrogen breaks away, and leaves the anion (i.e., the other half of the original acid) to bond with whatever metal the hydroxide is of. As long as that salt is soluble, it will stay in solution and the alkaloid freebase will precipitate out.

Therefore, to purify a sample and make sure it is as free as possible from alkaloids , what you would have to do is: First dissolve in a weak acid, filter, and throw away the solution (which contains the acid salt of the alkaloid) and keep the precipitate. Then dissolve this in a medium or strong alkali, filter again, but this time throw away the precipitate (which will contain the freebase form of any alkaloid which had survived up to now) and keep the solution. And this will give you a sample with as near as damn it is to swearing, no alkaloids in it

 

[Forever Changes]

thanks for the explanation guys. I'm adding some lemon juice to the brew to see if that helps

Didn't feel anything at all from last night's brew, and that was about 45g of crushed up pod powder! Perhaps I'm immune to the stuff

these are pics of the two batches. First are giant pods, presumably P. Somniferum. The second are from a different florist - much smaller with pink seeds. Perhaps not mature, or a different strain?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

thanks for the explanation guys. I'm adding some lemon juice to the brew to see if that helps

Didn't feel anything at all from last night's brew, and that was about 45g of crushed up pod powder! Perhaps I'm immune to the stuff

these are pics of the two batches. First are giant pods, presumably P. Somniferum. The second are from a different florist - much smaller with pink seeds. Perhaps not mature, or a different strain?

Well they certainly look mature enough to me - obviously they haven't opened up properly, hence the presence of seeds, but I reckon the seeds would be mature enough to germinate. I believe the traditional method of scoring the pods advises that latex production peaks before they fully open, so in theory those pods should contain more alkaloids.

However, the pink seeds are a bit of a mystery. If I score my pods on the plant, they exude a pink latex, but this soon dries to the typical dark brown colour so it's unlikely to be a coating of pink latex. Similarly, all the viable seeds I've ever seen have been dark brown/black. So I dunno mate...

 

[BecomingJulie]

Grind up a sample and boil up in 500ml. (= 2 cups) of water with two teabags. Remove the teabags when dark enough, then simmer gently for 15 minutes. Replace the water that evaporated by bringing back up to original level and return to the boil. Add sugar and milk if desired. If you prefer lemon tea, add the lemon juice before heating; the citric acid in it will help dissolve the opium.

 

[Forever Changes]

Grind up a sample and boil up in 500ml. (= 2 cups) of water with two teabags. Remove the teabags when dark enough, then simmer gently for 15 minutes. Replace the water that evaporated by bringing back up to original level and return to the boil. Add sugar and milk if desired. If you prefer lemon tea, add the lemon juice before heating; the citric acid in it will help dissolve the opium.

what do you think about simply crushing up the pods and eating the bits straight rather than making the tea? Nasty, but maybe effective!

do you grow pods or buy them now?

 

[leet]

I can only gaze in envy at F.U.B.A.R.'s display. His piss is obviously the best plant food known to science. He should bottle the stuff and sell it!