The EADD Metathread - Let's talk about how we can improve EADD

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Sounds like bullshit tbh.

As you can see from this thread it seems that having a differing opinion to a moderator is now grounds for them to be able to consider disciplinaries even when they're the one making the malicious comments. I'd like to think that little disagreement was water under the bridge though despite the fact I resent having been accused of baiting.

This forum should be able to handle some healthy dispute without talk of disciplinaries cropping up, as long as no-one is being clearly and purposefully offensive....IMO of course.

 

[Arnold]

sounds like bl

 

[mattnotrik]

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

 

[bummer]

I referred to BJ as "Him/Her" as I genuinely do not know what to refer to them as and didn't want to make the wrong assertation - the name "becomingjulie" is ambiguous enough.

You could've just asked....

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

So that's one down now what about evey? Maybe she farted out of turn or something?

/nosy

 

[masaz]

Hey,

BJ was getting slack on here (through many now-deleted posts) for not being present enough on the forum.

I defended BJ and thanked BJ for their drug knowledge and personal help with heroin issues in the past.

I referred to BJ as "Him/Her" as I genuinely do not know what to refer to them as and didn't want to make the wrong assertation - the name "becomingjulie" is ambiguous enough.

This was NOT transphobia, I DID NOT break the BLUA and should NOT have receieved an infraction.


I accept it may be a sensitive issue, and tact was slightly off with the reference. I had been drinking a little that night




OK so I was REALLY drunk...

Take it up with our senior mod if you've got a problem with the infraction, I got no problem with that and will let Julie speak for herself if she wishes. Can also appeal infractions while you're banned through the admin gmail if you want.

 

[ColtDan]

I had been drinking a little that night

OK so I was REALLY drunk...

Jeebus aint gonna repent your sins boy

 

[Shambles]

I referred to BJ as "Him/Her"

No you didn't. It was me who edited your post and I can quite easily unedit it to reveal what you actually said. Perhaps the alcohol has clouded your memory somewhat.

EDIT: Okay, just double checked and it is a different post which earned - yes earned - you the infraction. You'd already been warned about polluting up the place with obnoxious attitudes - you only avoided an infraction the first time out cos I wanted to check with colleagues as to the best way to handle it and then you went ahead and did it again hence infraction. Lay off the offensiveness for the sake of being offensive and you'll not have to worry about infractions will you.

This forum should be able to handle some healthy dispute without talk of disciplinaries cropping up, as long as no-one is being clearly and purposefully offensive....IMO of course.

The mention of disciplinary action was not aimed at you at all it was aimed at Arnold for posting mindless abuse. We've had far too much of that kinda shit for far too long - it is not constructive, it adds nothing, it puts people off from wanting to use a site where half the threads are riddled with petty infighting and bitching over personal disputes which have nothing whatsoever to do with anybody else or anything this site exists for.

 

[BecomingJulie]

My name is Julie. You can use pronouns like "she" and "her" when talking about me.

The "becoming" bit just reflects that when I joined here I was -- and still am; it's pretty much the universal human condition -- trying to get somewhere. Of course I've come a long way since then.

 

[Shambles]

Him/Her/It

Tranny sometime previous if i recall

There have been a range of words and phrasings Raas has used. Any one of which would be grounds for an infraction.

Specifically, you may not:

* post or upload any content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or any other reason;

Opting to use blatantly derogatory language each and every time of addressing an individual is harassing and degrading. For very good reason, it ain't allowed plain and simple.

EDIT: Any possible excuse of sheer ignorance (of the "right" sort - genuinely not knowing as opposed to deliberately avoiding) is no longer there so there'll be no more need for any infractions presumably.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

So it was aimed at Arnold, but was immediately followed by name.

Ok, if you say so.

 

[ColtDan]

Wheres all the peace and love

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I don't know, it seems it went out of the window along with the ability to be able to have an opinion without being snapped at.

 

[Shambles]

So it was aimed at Arnold, but was immediately followed by name.

Ok, if you say so.

That is very poor phrasing on my part I must agree. It genuinely was aimed at Arnold - I made a complete fist of actually making much sense though. At the risk of pulling a Raas... I was horrendously drunk at the time. You are correct though it does make it sound like I was referring to yourself at the time and can only apologise for the confusion and make it clear it was aimed solely at Arnold for his post of random abuse. However arsey I may get when drinking too much whisky (and it does only seem to be whisky that had me so very stroppy for whatever reason) I'm not actually a bellend. I would never threaten or try to abuse my infracting powers simply because I had a difference of opinion with somebody. I am a dick when I'm drunk sometimes but I'm not that much of a dick. If you noticed I was having quite reasonable discussions with you and agreeing with you in other threads at the very same time so I hardly think I was taking a particular point of disagreement as grounds to abuse mod powers. I'm just a feisty lil fukker when drunk and perhaps not quite as careful with wording as I should be. Or definitely not as careful with wording as I should be

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

There have been a range of words and phrasings Raas has used. Any one of which would be grounds for an infraction.



Opting to use blatantly derogatory language each and every time of addressing an individual is harassing and degrading. For very good reason, it ain't allowed plain and simple.

EDIT: Any possible excuse of sheer ignorance (of the "right" sort - genuinely not knowing as opposed to deliberately avoiding) is no longer there so there'll be no more need for any infractions presumably.

i take it therell be no further incitement of religious hatred by yourself towards raas then also, because i see stereotyping and victimisation towards his faith all the time

 

[Shambles]

If you can find one single post of mine which incites religious hatred I'll happily apologise for it and retract it. Coming from yourself with your lil outbursts about Islam it does seem a somewhat ironic thing to be bringing up but feel free to go find an instance where I crossed the line from debate into abuse.

 

[Raasyvibe]

It's a fair point. Dan says...

Jeebus aint gonna repent your sins boy

And I honestly couldn't give a shite, in fact I found the comment funny.

All I did was strike out the s from "she". This wasn't "harassing and degrading", by that criteria Dan should be banned from the site by now.


But really, I don't care. The amount of unfair infractions I've received is probably balanced out by the amount of infractions I SHOULD have incurred but got away with. I can see why Snollzy considered it infract-worthy; no hard feelings. But for the record I have no probs at all with B/Julie, and as I said in the post which has now been edited not - I appreciated the input BJ has put into the forum and personal help I have received in regards to opiate concerns.

 

[masaz]

No hard feelings here, either. Takes a certain amount of judgement really to make the call

 

[Shambles]

All I did was strike out the s from "she". This wasn't "harassing and degrading", by that criteria Dan should be banned from the site by now.

As part of a pattern of consistently making those type of remarks even after it's been pointed out that is is offensive and unnecessary I stand by what I said. It is harassing and degrading. Bear in mind we have no idea who is reading these threads - there could well be several transgendered people reading a thread and I could well imagine it being really rather off-putting to see such ignorant remarks being left with nothing said or done about it. We want as many people as possible to feel comfortable reading and posting on BL - any unnecessary offensiveness limits the numbers of people who will feel comfortable being here which clearly doesn't help with the whole reducing of harm bizniz.

I'm perhaps not the best person to judge the religious hatred thing but I honestly don't see how that remark you quote could count as religious hatred. You've said stuff about how drug use and intoxication is a sin yourself - I'd see Dan's remark as perhaps being in poor taste but given the two of you - along with a number of others - have an ongoing debate on religious matters and have done for a very long time I'd see it more as an injoke to be honest. If you ever find anybody has crossed a line into being actually offensive about religious matters report the post and it will be dealt with. I may not be religious but I'm also not a member of any particular minority group I would also deal with any offensive comments about. Abuse is abuse - if you do ever feel you are being personally attacked or abused please do report it cos that's how such matters are brought most easily to staff attention. Christians - or any other religious group - are as welcome as anybody else and should never be made to feel otherwise.