The EADD Metathread - Let's talk about how we can improve EADD

[swampdragon]

I like the concept, but suspect it would be a right bugger to actually implement within the existing forum code.

I do like the idea of being able to run around and like people's posts like I do on Facebook, though..

 

[knock]

Oh yeah I know, I'm going to investigate the technical feasibility.

And it would be more nuanced than "like" or "dislike". Like an actual categorisation of what's wrong. But yeah, kinda like "like", but better :D

 

[One Thousand Words]

How's that relevant? Doesn't really follow. Says more about BL than what I'm talking about.

I'm inferring that it is hard enough to find mods to control a bunch of drug users let alone opening the doors even a little bit to one and all. Editing to me simply implies censorship.

Even simple member ratings are easily abused. Content should be judged by the posts itself, not some sort of group love fest.

I think your anarchist mates should let you stick to making the tea

 

[knock]

I'm inferring that it is hard enough to find mods to control a bunch of drug users let alone opening the doors even a little bit to one and all. Editing to me simply implies censorship.

Even simple member ratings are easily abused. Content should be judged by the posts itself, not some sort of group love fest.

I think your anarchist mates should let you stick to making the tea

I don't think you can criticise such a system unless you've experienced it, because having experienced it I know it works well.

 

[One Thousand Words]

So if a mod or someone esteemed ends up in the shrine because of some rather suspect harm reduction techniques do you have the option to edit their profile to reflect it? Do you go back and unlike all their previous posts or is it simply a snap shot of the current time?

Captain Heroin is a good example of someone with a huge loyal following, someone who would no doubt have built up quite the internet reputation during his days of posting, yet by this model if an outsider was to compare his advice on banging pills with a lonely greenlighter who is a little bit smarter, you would defeat the whole purpose of this site.

 

[knock]

So if a mod or someone esteemed ends up in the shrine because of some rather suspect harm reduction techniques do you have the option to edit their profile to reflect it? Do you go back and unlike all their previous posts or is it simply a snap shot of the current time?

Captain Heroin is a good example of someone with a huge loyal following, someone who would no doubt have built up quite the internet reputation during his days of posting, yet by this model if an outsider was to compare his advice on banging pills with a lonely greenlighter who is a little bit smarter, you would defeat the whole purpose of this site.

In the BL I imagine, there are no mods, other than the community of members, or maybe there are sometimes people who are delegated as having some special role for a brief period of time. But typically moderation would rest with the community.

So you're suggesting that someone "respected" might give out poor HR advice? By your own admission, this happens, or at least happened, in BL as it stands. Therefore it can't be used as a judgement on a new system that has not yet been designed or implemented.


I also wonder, what is the point of endless discussion? I think we need to produce, as a community, a set of guidelines, an HR reference material for the drug user. There has been some attempt at that, the BL wiki, but it seems to be dead. I don't know why it's dead. Part of the reason I don't know much about it is because it's not a community effort, it's something that's been done by selected individuals. Oh well. Could do better.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Personally I would rank drugs on their safety and/or level of research. Kind of like the mortality charts that tells us that alcohol is more harmful than heroin (a load of bollocks by the way). It would be a big job considering the alphabet soup of drugs out there today but it would go a long way to discouraging kids from taking drugs because they are "semilegal" or cheaper than tried and tested ones.

I'm sure there are plenty of human guinea pigs in EADD to contribute.

 

[knock]

Yes OTW, that might be a useful thing! Did you just contribute a useful post? I feel the need to celebrate :D

 

[One Thousand Words]

How would you mark etiz compared to regular benzo's if the legality or availability was taken out of the equation though?

Not many people will take such information on board because they see access>safety I'm afraid.

 

[knock]

I would say etiz is pretty safe if it's dosed sensibly and not combined with alcohol in silly quantities. I speak from experience. OTOH I think it's just as dangerous as other benzo type drugs.

The issue of people not taking stuff on board because they see access>safety can only be addressed by spreading the idea that that safety>access :D

And if they refuse to listen to that kind of fact... oh well, we did our bit.

 

[Marmalade]

No I am not giving up. I've already come up with some even bigger ideas I'm discussing with staff. I'll discuss with you too! They're half-baked at the minute. Basically I'm thinking about the possibilities for distributing moderation "rights" amongst the general member base. Not in a blunt "everyone gets to censor" way, but a nuanced way. If anyone is familiar with Slashdot or other sites based on Slashcode, that is my inspiration.




And I'm not saying "copy that", I'm saying "learn from it, adapt it".

The benefits include:
- a large task for a small number of staff becomes a tiny task for a large number of members
- everyone has a chance to have their say
- people don't get banned
- no elites, no us-and-them.
- no moaning about moderating, cos it's a community activity, and it's anonymous (except in the metamoderation process)

This is not about HR any more...

I don't dislike the idea. I'll never go for mod as I've always stated (unless it was the Lounge just to piss them all off) ... but i don't mind helping out in times of need tho if necessary. I don't like the thought of privacy of the user being invaded by giving someone temp mod status tho and allowing closer access to personal details etc ... but slashdot's system above seems to have that covered. Dunno if the system covers being tanked out of your arse on a friday night, snorting anything you can find after you've come home from the pub tho.

I love your idealism tho, and I'm glad youre not resigning ... even if it means I'll never be underneath the Squirrel ;p

The best forum I've ever posted at is still going after 13 years ... it was a split off from a forum which should have been anti-censorship, but wasn't, so they started their own. It's a heavily coded version of one of the first vbulletin software releases and it can't really be upgraded because of a very smart and cute little hand coded points system that kicks the arse out of anything else like that I've ever seen (ie: not like the generically built in rep points systems) it's not a lame points system you see everywhere, it's still insanely lovely. And reinforces positives and negatives but it's dying a death now like most old skool forums, and I just lurk nowadays. You can say the N word too and use questionable humour, because it's contextualised and everyone just knows stuff. Every post you make generates points to be able to grant to other people for decent posts etc.

I think there's even a Christmas Rape Haiku Thread still going strong.



Points and karma can be good if done in the right way, but it's very rarely done well imo

Spoiler: points system

 

[knock]

what forum are you talking about?

I want to take a look.

I think part of the problem with the attitudes of some staff, maybe some members, on here is that they don't have wide exposure to alternative ways of doing things. I really want to explore alternatives.

 

[Marmalade]

eh, cant show you the forum (I started posting there in like 2000 under a different nick, been lurking for 5 yrs since i stopped posting way back ...)... it's not really to do with what youre trying to achieve. The people that started this one up were civil and believed in no censorship ... it's all going downhill tho now ... nothing to see there ... move on ;p

(eh, it's just an old forum, seriously, and really slow because it's old n stuff, you aren't missing out honest)

The latest 'debarcle' was about autoplaying youtubes .. and if a gif could constitute as an autoplay ... and the infringement upon ones rights to post them .. drama to the max

 

[One Thousand Words]

A system like that would make it easier to work out who to PM for sourcing

 

[Marmalade]

^ hah, yes! you can have your own point category too if you beg hard enough, or act like a tard until someone gives you your own.

I think part of the problem with the attitudes of some staff, maybe some members, on here is that they don't have wide exposure to alternative ways of doing things. I really want to explore alternatives.

I totally agree. It's a very broad cross section of people that post in niche forums like this, other than the one connecting theme (drugs in this case), my experience with niche forums is that people are usually just as intollerant and bigoted as everyone everywhere else, when you'd expect them to be more open minded and open to new things.

[edit]
I lurked at a Scat forum once, and they were all 'ewe, homos' etc etc

amazing

 

[knock]

Yes! Bizarrely they seem just as conservative as your average daily fail reader. It irks me no end! And it's hard work trying to show people that things can be different.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Gotta agree with Shambles. Also if you know that a particular person may piss you off with things they say then everyone has the ability to block people so they never have to see their posts whether they are good,bad or indifferent.

Why does everyone ALWAYS have to agree with Shambles. It's like a law on this board. Can't you be a bit more original and pretend to be all shocked and offended with at least one of his posts?

 

[Bare_head]

Hiii guys

 

[Bare_head]

Why does everyone ALWAYS have to agree with Shambles. It's like a law on this board. Can't you be a bit more original and pretend to be all shocked and offended with at least one of his posts?

I think from the type of guy he is , tells it how it is, is s decent person, isnt into conflict (not that i know of) seems like an all round nice guy (if i see skmething i disagree with him on im gonna majke sure i point it out ;-)

 

[mydrugbuddy]

if you're thinking of adopting an anonymous feedback system like the drugs forum uses, please do not do that. IMO its an awfull inception, at worst it gives people free reign to slag off a post and poster entirely anonymously. Thats the last thing we need here IMO.