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Aye, dont start going sam-style modding, hate to say it mr G but you had a certain way of moderating things that you didn't like/agree with, caused much uproar if I remember rightly.
Flamebait!
but unflamed. phew!
Aye, dont start going sam-style modding, hate to say it mr G but you had a certain way of moderating things that you didn't like/agree with, caused much uproar if I remember rightly.
I really do not love it. I do enjoy EADD, but I really don't enjoy moderating. Nor do I enjoy being moderated. I much prefer being a plain old active member.
I don't wanna stay in here, watching people destroy themselves & not be able to say anything coz it's beyond the scope of EADDs aproach to HR.
I don't care how anyone else chooses to address adiction &/or dangerous drugs use, but I would like to advise people that the single greatest step to reducing the harms caused by drugs is to NOT take them. If saying that to counter-balance all the more obvious & accepted HR advice somehow upsets dangerous drugs users or their supporters or anyone, so be it.
Maybe just a highlight in red (like the *snip* for removal of sourcing links) to highlight dangerous combinations for people just lurking or newer members?
by having a moderator edit a post with a little "This is not advisable - please consult Erowid vaults for more information" much like the *snip* for sourcing, but am conscious that it'd be a lot of work and others might not be in favour of it. That's fine, but I'd like to see others opinions on how to make this forum a safer place for regulars and non-regulars alike, rather than simply saying 'we're doing alright as we are'.
Si, I'm sorry if you feel that I've somehow brought unwanted exposure to you. That's not my intention.
I'm just interested in the discussion, which I think is important, and you happen to have raised it, so that's just circumstance.
I think it's a shame you feel that "defending" your opinions is something you don't want to do. Firstly, I don't think it should be about defence. I think it should be about putting forth the arguments and coming to a view based on the merits of the arguments. Sometimes our sense of self worth gets connected with the views we express and defending the views becomes like defending ourselves. I think that's an unfortunate fact of life and my own approach is to try to disconnect my sense of self worth from the views and if the views I express are clearly wrong, it shouldn't mean I think less of myself for accepting that and changing my views.
In that spirit, I think you're right: "the single greatest step to reducing the harms caused by drugs is to NOT take them". This is a fair thing to say.
It's just that, having said that, and accepting that telling people not to take drugs does not often work, the next greatest step to reducing the harms is to provide the information people need to take them in more safe ways.
... & if that was all that was needed we would not be losing people all the time. We need to up our game. Just my opinion. I do not know what to do, I just know what I feel we should not do, which is use HR as cover to condone or ignore foolish drugs use or addiction.
.. & no worries man, you know I love you & everybody here & it breaks my heart to have be a cunt like this? I really do have peoples best interests, their lives & their health, in mind here & if it were my choice I might, even temporarilly, sacrfice some of the freedoms we enjoy at EADD if I thought it might help preserve life & health.
Knock, if you dont enjoy moderating you dont have to do it. I trust that even if you dont actively enjoy the thankless task then you are at least recognising and appreciating your own efforts, as you put a lot of work into it. If you are not finding it rewarding in any way, despite the good job you are doing, then it must be very frustrating.
People are often suicidal or feel they have no future. This often has nothing to do with them taking drugs! Except that they sometimes use drugs, deliberately, to blot things out, and sometimes to harm or kill themselves. And sometimes the connection is not so direct, sometimes it's just that they don't care enough about themselves to take care of themselves, and nothing we say or do here will make a blind bit of difference.
Quit and give me the modstick then. You know it makes sense.
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I don't really care what the consensus is on improving HR, as long as we open up the discussion in the first place!
You're not being a cunt :D
Let me make this point again:
People are often suicidal or feel they have no future. This often has nothing to do with them taking drugs! Except that they sometimes use drugs, deliberately, to blot things out, and sometimes to harm or kill themselves. And sometimes the connection is not so direct, sometimes it's just that they don't care enough about themselves to take care of themselves, and nothing we say or do here will make a blind bit of difference.
I've raised this point several times. No-one seems to pay any attention to itMore specifically, you don't seem to. I suppose some people agree, tacitly. And others disagree tacitly.
But that does not address the question of what we might do to deal with this kind of behaviour by people who deliberately log onto Bluelight, a drugs Harm Reduction & information website, to post about it? Do we not warn people who might be simply enjoying themselves to death because they might've made a concious decision to do so? Life & health are more valuable than our ideals & I think we need to adapt.
But that does not address the question of what we might do to deal with this kind of behaviour by people who deliberately log onto Bluelight, a drugs Harm Reduction & information website, to post about it? Do we not warn people who might be simply enjoying themselves to death because they might've made a concious decision to do so? Life & health are more valuable than our ideals & I think we need to adapt.
I don't want to be a moderator, and I don't want to be subject to moderators. I do want to discuss drugs, harm reduction, and have general chit chat with you lot. I'm unclear about what I'm going to do about this. My preferred outcome would be a whole new improved Bluelight which distributes the responsibility for keeping order amongst it's general member base. It's something I've been thinking about for a long time, maybe I will actually do something about it and build a system which I can show to people. But maybe I won't do that :D I was hoping to get other people interested in the idea, so that it wouldn't have to be all my work, but it's really hard getting people to imagine things being different!
should we NOT tell people not to do dangerous things because they might have chosen to do them & we must respect peoples right to choose to destroy themselves?
because we focus too much on being PC about drugs.
should we NOT tell people not to do dangerous things because they might have chosen to do them & we must respect peoples right to choose to destroy themselves? That probably sounds worse... Because I would've thought that posting about it at a HR forum might be a call for help & might be one we're missing because we focus too much on being PC about drugs.
The deaths on here this year have not been down to members encouraging each other to push their limits or due to any lack of concern, they have happened despite EADDs concern not because of it IMO.
Being an inclusive community entails welcoming all kinds of drug users. Again, what do you actually propose? Exclusivity?
If so, who do we exclude?