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The EADD Mental Health Support Thread

It seems to be pretty hard to get someone committed, at least in my town. people who try to get themselves committed struggle to manage it here, which seems bizarre to me

An acquaintence of mine who'd had on and off problems since being discharged from the army, set himself on fire 2 years ago, and died. he'd been in and out of the local hospital ward relating to mental health, and the previous day before he actually managed to kill himself, had gone back there expressing he was a danger to himself and other people, and needed to return.

he had a history of attempted suicides and was a diagnosed schizophrenic, and on various related meds. they sent him away and told him someone would call him at home within the next few hours but no one did.

he was a really sweet guy and just meeting him a few times you could tell he was the kind to hurt himself before he'd hurt other people. but he was struggling to get the help he needed after being in the army, even though he tried to occupy his mind and keep busy by doing lots of walking. I used to print him OS maps off my PC for him to use.

After he tried calling them the next morning after they failed to call, he gave up and set himself on fire.

A couple of years ago, a local guy went into our main police station, stating he wanted to be arrested because he'd been having thoughts about stabbing people, but they wouldn't arrest him and let him go without help. 4 hours later, in the middle of the day on a fairly busy high street, he'd stabbed a random passing 21 yr old girl, who was 6 months pregnant, and both girl and baby died..

I have no clue how the police or mental health doctors make their judgements on how or when someone can be committed, but it seems to vary vastly from area to area, and be a totally inadequate system of assessment.

Someone recently told me that the guy who set himself on fire, had gone in the previous christmas time and that they questioned his motives because he was homeless at the time, and was questioned in a manner which implied he was just doing it to get a bed for the night

It's pretty alarming that someone who tries to surrender themselves, gets turned away for such a cynical reason. especially when they have a history of suicide attempts and have been officially diagnosed with schizophrenia
 
Some interesting posts, thanks all. :) There is a reason this post isn't being left publically here, never know who's a BL'r eh?
 
Heres The Guardians John McCrones synopsis..

for millions of years we were big-brained but dull-witted hominids. Then, about 100,000 years ago, our brains were touched as if by a burning finger and we lit up with self-consciousness and creativity. We immediately started painting caves and worshipping gods, and became rational. The question is: what could have caused this abrupt change?
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What is he going on about ? it's pretty much established act that the human race as we know it today, as in its physical form appeared about 200,000 years ago in Africa, the evidence for this has been growing over the years and was backed up when they were able to study the the current human race at a genetic level.

The oldest cave paintings found are about 40,000 years old, I'm not aware there is any real evidence for an "abrupt change" given that by this time the human race had spread quite widely and was developing at different rate and different ways in various places across the planet.

In fairness we have little to no idea what the human race believed or behaved like going back further than that, the main change seems to be the recording of information, this is often given as a step change allowing complex knowledge to be passed down the generations but that is just theory, complex ritual and other information was and is still passed down by language alone in South American Tribes, unfortunately as is well documented much has been lost a "civilisation" has "saved" these people from themselves:\
 
For me if I had someone who was a serious harm to themselves and others, I'd take some action. Deciding where that harm line is drawn is the hard call. Suicidal, death-wishing, nearly causing accidental death, making decisions that damage them, causing ill health and injury to themselves - repeatedly, disregard for self and others wellbeing. The list goes on. If you're that concerned and asking here you're coming near the line.

Tough love.

Wouldn't really call that tough love meself. Tough love is deliberately interfering in the affairs of people the interferer claims to care about in a manner that can only possibly make things worse for the interferee whilst making the interferer feel better about themselves and solving nothing in the process. Dressing up being a cunt with a handy catchphrase to make it seem less cuntish kinda thing. Wishing to help someone genuinely in need of help is not tough love as it involves actual care and consideration rather than self-serving ego-massage.

Unfortunately, as most folks are saying, getting someone sectioned - or even flagged up on local mental health service provider's radar - even when it's clearly a "necessary evil" kinda step to take, is all but impossible unless they're actually in the process of killing someone or themself. Sadly, if the individual in question is not in a state where a carefully considered word or two is liable to helpful, heard or understood then it almost inevitibly means hoping they come back down on their own or spiral so far out of control they become a just enough of a public nuisance to be noticed without actually doing any serious harm :\
 
Anyhow back to mental health, sectioning people is a really difficult area IMO it seems the like policy varies greatly. When I handed myself in at A&E a couple of years back I wasn't sectioned but it was made subtlety clear that if i tried to leave the unit I was placed in then they probably would and they did that to someone else whilst I was there. I was grateful to be there so it wasn't an issue.

But on the other side of the coin I have a close relative that is Mentally Handicapped (yeah I know thats not the PC phrase these days but its the one I grew up with and its fine as far as I'm concerned) she was quite severely brain damage at birth due to lack of oxygen, quite a sad story in that they thought she was still born. She has lived in kind of sheltered accommodation since she was about 14 and for want of a better description has the mental capacity of about a 3-4 year old, although i don;t really hold with that, ultimately she is a 60 year old women but it gives you an idea of the way she is. She also suffers from OCD and can become quite a handful if she gets frustrated although oddly she has never displayed that behavior in front of me, apparently she swears like trooper and can be a little violent but I've never seen it.

Anyway a while back they were concerned about her health and wanted to carry out an internal gynecological examination, she isn't great with doctors at the best of times and out right refused to even entertain the idea, They started to talk about temporarily sectioning her so they could sedate her and carry her off for the examination, my mother was torn over the issue and my dad was useless as ever giving no opinion.

I have to say i objected strongly to the idea and made it clear that I would not support the action, IMO it would have been a total violation, despite her mental status she still had the right to decide what happened to her and the idea of her being taken down and forcibly injected with a sedative would have been something i would have done everything in my power to prevent. I saw this done more than once whilst in care myself and its not pretty but those people were a danger to themselves and other people, wasn't IMO.

In the end the symptoms she was suffering cleared up the issue went away but it does show how the issue of sectioning people can be a tricky one.

Either way if someone is clearly stating they feel as if they may harm themselves immediate action should be taken but so often it isn't, without Mrs atm putting her foot down more than once I wouldn't have got half the treatment I've had as I was in no state to know what going on let alone put up a fight for treatment.
 
Quite impressed (if that's the right word) with your A&E experience, atm. They usually couldn't give a toss if you try to hand yourself in in my experience. Have attempted similar in the past when "having a bit of a turn" but still self-aware enough to try to do summat about it. Usually just got told to go away cos it's not their problem but on one occasion the doctor on duty thought it best I stayed overnight and saw the psychiatrist in the morning... who referred me to a different psychiatrist (who promptly put me on bloody Seroxat :\) which has definitely made it easier to be taken seriously when other "funny turns" have occurred since.

Seemed to be the level of obvious confusion that made the difference between being ignored or listened to in my case. Suicidal thoughts and self-harm kinda stuff (no matter how many stitches were required) barely raised an eyebrow - the general view seemed to be that if you were capable of asking for help it clearly wasn't needed yet but if you clearly didn't have much of a clue what the fuck you were doing or why you wanted to speak to a doctor you were probably worth a punt.

Have never been sectioned meself but have had friends that were. Only ever if they were very clearly hyper/manic in public to a point when general passers-by were calling 999 and running for cover though.
 
It sounds like catch-22. You can't seem to get into the system, and the most common complaint among patients seems to be that they can't get out.
 
What is he going on about ? it's pretty much established act that the human race as we know it today, as in its physical form appeared about 200,000 years ago in Africa, the evidence for this has been growing over the years and was backed up when they were able to study the the current human race at a genetic level.

The oldest cave paintings found are about 40,000 years old, I'm not aware there is any real evidence for an "abrupt change" given that by this time the human race had spread quite widely and was developing at different rate and different ways in various places across the planet.



In fairness we have little to no idea what the human race believed or behaved like going back further than that, the main change seems to be the recording of information, this is often given as a step change allowing complex knowledge to be passed down the generations but that is just theory, complex ritual and other information was and is still passed down by language alone in South American Tribes, unfortunately as is well documented much has been lost a "civilisation" has "saved" these people from themselves:\

Luckly Bill Hicks has the only rational answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeT3g7udho
 
Quite impressed (if that's the right word) with your A&E experience, atm. They usually couldn't give a toss if you try to hand yourself in in my experience. Have attempted similar in the past when "having a bit of a turn" but still self-aware enough to try to do summat about it. Usually just got told to go away cos it's not their problem but on one occasion the doctor on duty thought it best I stayed overnight and saw the psychiatrist in the morning... who referred me to a different psychiatrist (who promptly put me on bloody Seroxat :\) which has definitely made it easier to be taken seriously when other "funny turns" have occurred since.

Seemed to be the level of obvious confusion that made the difference between being ignored or listened to in my case. Suicidal thoughts and self-harm kinda stuff (no matter how many stitches were required) barely raised an eyebrow - the general view seemed to be that if you were capable of asking for help it clearly wasn't needed yet but if you clearly didn't have much of a clue what the fuck you were doing or why you wanted to speak to a doctor you were probably worth a punt.

Have never been sectioned meself but have had friends that were. Only ever if they were very clearly hyper/manic in public to a point when general passers-by were calling 999 and running for cover though.

To be fair I was already receiving treatment via my GP but I don't remember very much, Mrs atm took me there on my request I remember a doctor interviewing me in a private room. My derealisation was as its hight recent use of both Citalopram and Pehenaz had left me really totally disconnected. I don;t think I would have gotten the treatment I had of Mrs atm hadn't insisted they do something more then just give me more tablets and send me home. She was at the end of her tether and I think she knew I could well do something really stupid, also bear in mind I have to young kids.
But I agree I was lucky that they took me in as I fell to pieces in care and it took a good 3 weeks before I was really functional again, having said that the after care was non-existent once I was back on the street. If it had been better maybe I wouldn't have relapsed back into such a shit state again and almost ended up back in again.
Still things are much better at the mo so mustn't grumble and all that:D
 
This is something I don't get about GP's. If you ever go to drug therapy they constantly challenge you that taking a drug is just a quick fix for the problem and the longer sometimes more painful process of a non chemical solution is in the long run is of more benifit.

So you go to your GP with your problem and get your five minutes where you usualy completely forget most things you wanted to say because the cunt wont stop waffling at you and whats their answer?

A prescription for some big pharma drugs!

Mixed messages from a mixed up system
 
Waffling doctors aren't much of a problem really. It's the ones that keep it simple and just ask what the problem is then ignore you whilst you struggle to tell 'em that piss me off more. My last doc was a decent one - bit of a gem, in fact - inasmuch as that when I told him SSRIs (and more or less any other AD meds for that matter - fair and balanced iz uz) were no longer an option he's never tried forcing 'em on me like most have in the past. In fact he made it quite clear he mostly agreed - especially on the SSRI stuff - which is quite the revelation from the medical profession. Ended up scripting me benzos and codeine instead as "meet ya halfway towards real opies" kinda thang. As I said, bit of a rare gem was my doc. Unfortunately he's gone a bit management-only on me and rarely sees patients these days and the replacements are more of the traditional sort. Still got me usual script for now but vultures are a-circling and making it pretty clear they ain't too happy sigining repeat scripts off forever...

Fuck 'em. One of the few potential positives that come from an extensive history of addiction is that the drug support services are more than happy to put me back on a decent script if a "wobble" were to occur. Bupe had me more stable in every possible way than anything else has done ever so pondering a Humpty Dumpty kinda thang cos big falls require suitable meds for the fixin' of... And big falls do appear to be a-loomin' whether prompted or not and would rather pre-empt than splat.

Still somewhat undecided as to whether that would be a step forward or backward though. Or just the only feasible option. On the one hand I know fer damn sure it works a treat, can be prescribed longterm/more or less forever if required, and is as easy as it gets with opies to come off of if required. On the other it does feel kinda like an admission of defeat. Given my two main concerns are chronic pain (genuine chronic pain whether scripted for or not) and depression and bupe has been the only drug I've ever used that "cures" both... Think I may've been a tad premature and overzealous wanting off it so soon when coming off the scag before - didn't really take into account the genuine benefits on the depression side it has cos was so caught up in anti-poppy stuff at the time.

Any of y'all used bupe on long(ish) term scales for purposes other than the usual smacksubstuff? Have read a few studies that seem very promising as an antidep and it definitely seemed to work a treat for me but wonder if it was just plain ol' relief at being off the gear and comfy that made it seem so...
 
Just back from my weekly paid-for talking session. Was good. Felt fucking awful last night. I really needed to speak to someone, effie gave me enough of a boost at 5am to let go and fall asleep <3 thanks! woke up as expected with minutes to spare before I had to be out the door.

Talked about various things but the most unexpected thing was talking about my dad's funeral. He's not dead yet, but it would be a bit of a shock if he lasted more than another 15 or 20 years. I'd been thinking about the funeral last week and how I was dreading it because I would have to get up and speak and I'm no good at public speaking. My therapist pointed out that I probably dreaded it because I didn't want him to die. Part of me does want him to die but mostly I'd rather he didn't, which surprised me a bit. I burst out crying for a bit. Then afterwards I couldn't stop laughing at the idea that having to speak is the thing that puts me off him dying! Ha. I should tell him that some time.
 
Hello

So i'm here in this thread as it is appropriate .

Every so often like 4 months or so i have a mental breakdown the last one was at N.Y if you look at my posts you will see a pattern.

I've just had/having one it's fuking tough and i can't explain it on here .

Just take in to account that as well as my mental health woes i also have a very sewrious opiate addiction both methadone and heroin .
And the Icing on the cake to all of this is a 16 year every day Benzodiazipine habbit yeah thats right 16 years every day if thats not enough to make someone mental on it's own , it certainly doesn't help.

ATM i feel ok but the last few weeks have been hell & i no that give another 4 months i'll be going through it again .

I don't want to talk about diagnosis n what not cos i've been given so many over the last 23 years it's a bit stupid.

Yeah did i mention that i was sent to see a Psychiatrist when i was at school aged 13 ?
Well i was n my Mum N Dad had to go as well .

What a load of shit that was my Dad just sat their recovering from his lunch time drinking sesh he fell asleep at one point and my Mum worried as she has done and continues to even now .
Dads not alive .

Anyway i think i 'm a bit better so i might start posting a bit .
I've been to ill recently to put myself out their .
 
^nothing to say except it sucks when your own mind works against you, best of luck finding a solution somewhere sometime.
 
So I cut my doctor out again, not intentionally,. I accidently missed my appointment before I had to go to the weddings and stay with my dad last time and haven't made another since out of fear of having to admit to my doctor that I have had to obtain etizolam to stave off the diazepam withdrawals, she wouldn't be happy with that. I've not been taking the olanzepine either.

In general it's all not really doing me too much good, I am pretty depressed but I have no fucking clue why, which is most often the reason, I missed a couple of days last week due to being too mexxied but other than that I'm managing to attend work, work seems to actually be good for me, gets me talking to people and I forget about my problems for some time, when I get home from work though it is a whole different story, I spend most of the night watching TV shows on Netflix or just doing absolutely nothing, I'm so unmotivated when I get home.

This week should be good, going out with a friend tomorrow night and then playing tennis on wednesday, socialising and exercising are meant ot be the way out of depression, just hope that I can find my way out fast and without getting too much of an etizolam habit as I haven't exactly been measuring my doses in the most HR way, have been dabbing at a bag of powder, tiny dabs, but still not the best way to consume.

I'll get past it, I know what to do, I just struggle to actually do it, as usual.
 
Is admitting to buying "grey" benzos of tinterwebz to your doc a Bad Thing, Mugz? Depends on the doc, I spose... I just told mine straight up that if he tried to cut mine back any further than he already had then I'd just buy 'em off the netz instead then be back to see him 6-12 months down the line needing patching up again. Surely a few dodgy benzos between patient and doc aren't such a big enough deal to warrant avoiding him/her are they? Honesty being the best policy and all that.
 
Last time that I cut her out for a few months I came back and admitted that I bought 500 blues from pakistand and they were running out so could she get me back on a taper and she was fine with that, the time before was the first time that I had seen her and I'd gotten into trouble with illegal alprazolam powder in PEG and managed to get a pretty large diazepam script for that to start a taper providing I brought the alrpaz back to their pharmacy. My doctor is fairly tolerant and knows about bluelight and about my drug use outside of medicinal and we have had conversations about the difference between a line of ket and a drink down the pub and she seems to understand my point of view but not agree with it.

I reckon that I should probably go back to the docs asap so that this latest blip is a very short one, only a few weeks rather than leaving it months again, just the look of disappointment in her face when I come back after disappearing is not a very nice one and I don't really want to see it again. I think I'm gonna see if I can do it on my own with etizolam, gonna get it dissolved properly and start my own tapering schedule using the liquid, and using my leftover antipsychotics and mirtazepine for sleep most nights so the etiz is only needed during the day.

Not 100% sure what I'm gonna do yet, but I'm sure I'll get sorted eventually.
 
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