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The EADD Mental Health Support Thread

I think it's my 9 or tenth day on sert Shambles.Kicked in rather quickly seemingly. Seeing doc again wednesday. I went a bit against the grain and was only supposed to take 25 mgs but started on 50,i'm gonna tell him this,see what he says.Cheers.

p.s,gonna have another 'wank test' at some time this morning.
 
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No better place to release your inner crazy than in the mental health thread, MOP

Mental health issues are really fucking personal, I can understand why you'd hesitate to share them on a public message board, but any EADDer worth their salt will listen to whatever you say, and they certainly won't judge you because of it or think you're crazy. So many of us have mental health issues of our own that any 'crazy' vibes you may give off aren't likely to get picked up on at all, let alone get used against you.
 
missing old pills said:
love you man :)

I'm a nightmare at being cryptic but it will flow out eventually
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I'm just glad what I wrote seemed to make sense to you! I hope it did anyway :)

My only reservation about opening up on a public forum is that there are always people who don't think before they speak. In the long run, I think we have to be public about our private deviations, otherwise it's a spiral of taboo and ignorance.

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I was at a pal's house-warming party last weekend. It was funny, I'm still hobbling about a bit as broken bones take a while to heal, people are always interested to know how an injury was sustained.

How did you break your foot?

Oh, I jumped out my bedroom window!

Disbelief seemed to be a typical reaction, I pressed on though: Yes, I had been experiencing suicidal ideation over a year or two and had been self-medicating with various drugs. One night I got very drug-fucked and acted out my suicidal plan. It was supposed to be the Forth Road Bridge, not my bedroom window, so I'm still alive! The devil is in the details.

When presented with the unpalatable truth, a broad range of responses is to be expected, but happily I seem to have found that most people are OK with it if I tell them I was suicidal while I laugh in their face! :D Having a sense of humour about it takes the edge off. And when you get to a certain age, most people have some knowledge of unhappy situations whether directly or indirectly.
 
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My problem with "mental health" is that I believe everyone is fully sane.

Unfortunatly a small minority on this planet invent laws, medical conditions and lifestyles that we are all instructed to live by.

If, like myself, you find yourself outside this strict code you are labled and deemed to be suffering a problem.

Like Spike Milligan once said "I'm not crazy, everyone else is"
 
missing old pills said:
My problem with "mental health" is that I believe everyone is fully sane.

Unfortunatly a small minority on this planet invent laws, medical conditions and lifestyles that we are all instructed to live by.

If, like myself, you find yourself outside this strict code you are labled and deemed to be suffering a problem.

Like Spike Milligan once said "I'm not crazy, everyone else is"
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How do I agree with thee? Let me count the ways....

<3

Strangely enough I find it much easier to talk to you and the rest of EADD about this sort of thing than my own mater and pater...
 
knockando said:
My only reservation about opening up on a public forum is that there are always people who don't think before they speak.
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These people tend to get ripped to shreds for doing so though. Forums are great like that.
 
I think you've got to open up when you personally feel its safe to do so.. otherwise you're going to feel exposed which would be counter productive.

Its good to talk though :)

Btw Sham .. Tramadol doesnt make me feel content. It makes me feel bloody weak. I mean physically tonight I felt really trembly and like my innards were jellified.
 
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scrooloose said:
I think it's my 9 or tenth day on sert Shambles.Kicked in rather quickly seemingly. Seeing doc again wednesday. I went a bit against the grain and was only supposed to take 25 mgs but started on 50,i'm gonna tell him this,see what he says.Cheers.

p.s,gonna have another 'wank test' at some time this morning.
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Ya. Those first coupla weeks are just the biznizz, huh? :D

I fuckin' loved 'em. First time I was put on paroxetine/Seroxat (was ~18 at the time from memory - they'd only fairly recently come out) it felt like I was taking a largish dose of MDMA every morning. Used to have to lie down for an hour or so when it kicked in cos I was blissed-out as fuck and rushing me tits off. Was kinda lush actually. The next few months were also pretty good. Was recommending 'em to everyone I knew. Even selling 'em to folk (really, really bad idea and a deeply stoopid and deeply shitty thing to do in hindsight :|).

The teeth only really started to show at around the nine month or so mark... maybe a year in. Summat like that anyway - took a goodly while. Big problem I have with the shitey things is that they seem so damn perfect at first and end up as amongst the worst mistakes I ever made. Have heard and observed the exact same thing so many times with so many people that I have very serious misgivings about the use of SSRIs at all now - you may have noticed ;)

To be fair though, tis only personal experience and I'm sure these semi-mythical contented and possibly even functional longterm users must exist somewhere out there...

Beware magic bullets... there's no such thing as magic.
 
Talking imo is an invented communication tool by once again a very small minority. It fits in very well in our four dimensional world of which we allowed to live in.

The problem is when we reach what many famous artists and writers have called the realms of the unspeakable. For example it's easy to talk about a scar on your head you recieved in a football ball match but try to talk about a multi-generational flaw or genetic problem as the experts have held people down for years via hospitals,prisons or social enginneering out of pure fear of the persons true potental.

whooo look at this picture an autistic child has done isn't amazing POOR little thing.

Fuck that make the genius prime minister instead of the selfish, powerhungry and cowerdly twats we have running this potentialy beautiful world we could have.

Invented language is just one of the bricks in the wall. We need to get back to basics to really advance and find the magic lost a long time ago
 
You a Terence McKenna fan by any chance, Moppy? ;)

Mopster said:
...a multi-generational flaw or genetic problem...
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Was actually pondering this in relation to this thread just this very afternoon. Am still totally undecided on how relevant such things are and to what extent... I know for sure that similar issues to those I am aware of in myself absolutely riddle my family going back to at least my grandparents on both sides and affect well over half of all the family members I've known or heard of. Does that make it a genetic trait or simply a product of multi-generational "dysfunctionality" being passed from one generation to the next leaving nowt but shitty lives and suicides in its wake? Dunno. But probably a mixture of both.

Whilst I have mucho sympathy to the "it's all bullshit/sanity is relative" kinda ideals, I must admit that in practice some folks are definitely considerably better equipped to function in society than others. Whether this is down to social ills, "norms" and related bollocks or is just that some of us are plain fucked possibly depends on which camp you happen to reside in, I suppose.
 
Just a sneaking suspicion :D

Always thought he was an utter bellend... then smoked quite a bit of DMT and at some point listened to quite a lot of his stuff... converted <3

For the uninitiated... The Terence McKenna Archive and Deus Ex McKenna are fine starting points. Even if you think his ideas are drivel I defy anyone not to become hypnotised by that freakynasal voice of his. Gotta <3 the sexy use of uberobscure vocabulary too <3

You ever listened/watched/read any Robert Anton Wilson stuff, Moppy? Not exactly a direct relation betwixt the two but I strongly suspect that anyone who appreciates the former will appreciate the latter. Lotta crossover in many areas albeit approached at somewhat different angles. Another strangely unheralded outsider genius of modern times. And also fuckin' hilarious which is always a bonus. The RAW Archive is a goodly place to start :)
 
This post was in response to 371 and 372 but it took bloody ages to write and the threads gone somewhere else now.. Here it is anyway..


Ive just been reading a brilliant book actually called The Madness of Adam and Eve. The author David Horribin argues that the development of language may have been an aberation of thought.. that it took something akin to a schizophrenic mind to come up with the imagery that led to the formation of words and language concluding that the the 'mentally interesting' are the pioneers of society.

Doesn't really make me feel better though Mr Horribin. I've teetered on the fence between eccentric and nuts all my life. There was a time that I enjoyed being different but I'm tired of it. My holy grail now would be to just find balance and nestle into the fold of normal society rather than skirting on the margins .. but I'm not going to take drugs that make my hair fall out/cause me to sleep 14 hours a day/make me obese etc etc etc. to get there.
I've tried a few though...I'm pretty anti psychiatry like Shambles but if you are finding relief from bloody torturous depression, Knockando and Scrooloose, then I'm not going to rain on your parade its brilliant and I hope it lasts for you.
 
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I have, I try to merge as many different view points to make sure my meta-physical and multi-dimensional view points don't stray down a single path as that would be a very stagnant grasp on the real workings of everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

I love this guy though, If you can meet anyone after death I'd love to have a laugh with him
 
YellowPolkaDotHalo said:
Ive just been reading a brilliant book actually called The Madness of Adam and Eve. The author David Horribin argues that the development of language may have been an aberation of thought.. that it took something akin to a schizophrenic mind to come up with the imagery that led to the formation of words and language concluding that the the 'mentally interesting' are the pioneers of society.

Doesn't really make me feel better though Mr Horribin. I've teetered on the fence between eccentric and nuts all my life. There was a time that I enjoyed being different but I'm tired of it. My holy grail now would be to just find balance and nestle into the fold of normal society rather than skirting on the margins .. but I'm not going to take drugs that make my hair fall out/cause me to sleep 14 hours a day/make me obese etc etc etc. to get there.
I've tried a few though...I'm pretty anti psychiatry like Shambles but if you are finding relief from bloody torturous depression then I'm not going to rain on your parade its brilliant and I hope it lasts for you.
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Just watch Bill Hicks, Miss halo he confirms my sanity every time x
 
I really don't see how schizophrenic tendencies would lead to language meself. Language exisits in many species - probably most of 'em if only we could decipher it. There's some fella who spent years decoding the language of groundhogs (I think?) and it's surprisingly complex. They don't have psychiatrists in the groundhog world though (as far as we know) so the jury is still out on whether or not they're just schizo...

PolkaDot: Am not anti-psychiatry - have never been offered it so couldn't comment really. Have read up on it a bit though and it makes a fair amount of sense. Shame it's only available to those who can afford it :\
 
Oh I love him MOP!


By anti psychiatry I mean anti psychiatric drugs like ssris etc.

I'm not anti psychotherapy. Talking cures have been proved to be as effective if not more so than drugs and should be the first line in treatment.

Re language. I've just started reading the book Shambles. Its rather academic and complicated but I gather Horribin is arguing that it was a schizophrenic mindset that could have led to grammar in language which distinguishes us from animals.

Heres The Guardians John McCrones synopsis..

for millions of years we were big-brained but dull-witted hominids. Then, about 100,000 years ago, our brains were touched as if by a burning finger and we lit up with self-consciousness and creativity. We immediately started painting caves and worshipping gods, and became rational. The question is: what could have caused this abrupt change?

Well, here is a suggestion to wet your socks: the first humans were schizophrenic. A small band of smart apes lived by a lakeshore in east Africa on a diet rich in fats, which allowed their brains to grow very large. Then a genetic defect in fat metabolism led to one child having faulty brain connections; the signalling became slightly variable. The result was a brain prone to schizophrenia, psychopathy and mania, but also creativity, curiosity and ambition. As David Horrobin imagines it, this child with "a divine discontent with the way things were" spawned a family of proto-Medicis, brilliant and ruthless, who slaughtered their neighbours and spread out to rule the world.

Then comes a second part to the story. The founding of civilisation resulted in another big change in diet, initially to farmed grains and later to the high animal-fat consumption of modern times. Thus those individuals with schizoid genes (who tended to form the ruling classes) were no longer getting the right fats, so their brain-wiring really did start to go wrong. No longer were they simply touched with a little creative madness, but they had to be locked up in asylums. And guess what? Simply taking fish-oil capsules might cure modern schizophrenia - and depression, criminality, dyslexia and much else besides.

Actually Horribin etal (2002) were the first scientists to find a correlation between EPA in fish oil and mental health.
 
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missing old pills said:
I mean come on who writes this shit?
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Freud or Jung and their various disciples mainly. Cokehead or Swirlster? You decide ;)

PS: If a psychiatrist is talking neurosis and character disorders he's probably a Freudian and therefore mistaken :D

Try Willhelm Reich, perhaps. Highly recommended. Not in person, naturally (being dead and all that) but his books are well worth a gander and there's some bits 'n' bobs on PooToob and the like to get a taster :)
 
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