The EADD Mental Health Support Thread

[Mugz]

Total sobriety straight away is setting yourself up to fail. Baby steps are sometimes needed - like changing your booze from spirits to beers to lower alcohol ones, only keeping a few in the house chilled etc.

Meditation Mugz? Considered it? You should.

Am going to a meditation drop in class either on thursday if I get back from the GPs in time or next thursday if I don't.



Seems like people are encouraging me to go and get drunk maybe I will just go buy like 2 cans of beer/cider on my way back from dropping off some clothes to a friends that he is going to take to the charity shop he helps out in in the morning.

 

[Myshkin]

Seems like people are encouraging me to go and get drunk

Would I?

Well done on the meditation class - do it! Also, the two cans will do you good.

 

[ColtDan]

2 cans will lead to more, and then lead to getting drugs or whatever.

 

[Mugz]

'if'

???

Sorry for saying bloody in response to your post earlier, am not angry at you, just angry at life to be honest and all the things it brings up to challenge you. Was listening to some self help tapes though and the guy says that I should actually be grateful for challenges as they will make me stronger when I overcome them and that I should look forward to the day when my challenges are not as tough as they seem now, when my biggest challenge is deciding whether or not to have a cup of tea or a cup of coffee. Makes a lot of sense. I need to listen to it and apply it.

So thanks life for all the challenges you have given me, I will get past them and look forward to better challenges in the future.

 

[Myshkin]

2 cans will lead to more, and then lead to getting drugs or whatever.

Rubbish.

 

[Darksidesam]

i actually put drugs and exercise in the same category.
The end result for me is they both make me feel really good (Maybe not the first half of a workout )

 

[Myshkin]

There's a lot to be said for the drugs / exercise comparison - obviously there are simlarities when it comes to endorphins, reward systems and the like.

Few things are more addictive than pushing yourself for another twelve reps when your muscles are already failing. It's a shame I don't do it nearly enough these days.

 

[Mugz]

i actually put drugs and exercise in the same category.
The end result for me is they both make me feel really good (Maybe not the first half of a workout )

end doesn't always justify the means, and the toll it takes on your body and finances and ultimately mental health in the long run though really does it.

 

[ColtDan]

Rubbish.

someone with little self control and has drug abuse issues that has 2 cans will probably end up getting more, ive been there. it might not, but it might... but whatever

 

[ColtDan]

i actually put drugs and exercise in the same category.
The end result for me is they both make me feel really good (Maybe not the first half of a workout )

yeah the reward for working out feels good, slept better, more optimistic, felt so much better. lost the motivation for it these days. but will soon get it back when i end up a fat bastard

 

[Darksidesam]

end doesn't always justify the means, and the toll it takes on your body and finances and ultimately mental health in the long run though really does it.

Actually i use ketamine once a week,
I went on for many years in mood swings every day , at some point of the day feeling suicidal and wanting to die and then picking up again later,

Then thinking it all over again.
I stayed clean until i was 19 years old, id never even tried cannabis.

I used to do a lot of running, i worked really hard, i had a wife, i was renting a place with her BUT YET STILL something wasnt right with me and i wanted to die every day?

Once a week ketamine use is doing me no harm i doubt it, i dont even use near half a gram a week really.

When i came back to england in the summer in 2011 i kept plotting my suicide again and again but i love my dog and he'd give up if i werent around so i basically hung onto my life for him.
Got myself work and sorted my life out a bit again, then i felt like jumping in front of the train one day on the way home.

Thats just wrong...

Started ketamine and there was actually a whole 2 months i went without feeling like i needed to leave this world.

Some people use drugs and some people abuse drugs. It's that ultimate choice that gives that end result.

I think i am using cannabis too much recently, even though i vapourize. .1grams every night so i want to cut back so simple. Ill just get less and not use that much throughout the month then. An 8th will last me a month that way.


As for the finance, I do not drink nor do i smoke. Nor do i drink sugary lovely drinks or anything like that. That's how i save my money for other things.

yeah the reward for working out feels good, slept better, more optimistic, felt so much better. lost the motivation for it these days. but will soon get it back when i end up a fat bastard

Coltdan i only really workout and exercise in any way, shape or form , just as a treat and a feel good.
I can feel good for hours after a workout.
I would compare it to being really stoned and listening to some of my favourite liquid dnb tracks , that same rush that nice feeling.

 

[Myshkin]

someone with little self control and has drug abuse issues that has 2 cans will probably end up getting more, ive been there. it might not, but it might... but whatever

With all due respect, I've been there too. Quite a few times. You may even have been alive the first time I did.

I know Kate knows very much what she's talking about too, and this fixation on total sobriety will set you up for a fall.

Think about it - when does it become 'okay' again for Mugz to take anything? Never?

If not, who says it's okay, and when? When he's addressed his problems to a satisfactory level, will his life have improved to the point where he magically attains the willpower and self-control to use only in moderation?

Un-fucking-likely. Self-destructive urges and addictions don't work like that. It'd be good if they did, don't get me wrong.

Learning to integrate drug use and a more productive / less chaoctic life is the road to a more stable and content existence. Kidding yourself isn't.

 

[koneko]

Am going to a meditation drop in class either on thursday if I get back from the GPs in time or next thursday if I don't.



Seems like people are encouraging me to go and get drunk maybe I will just go buy like 2 cans of beer/cider on my way back from dropping off some clothes to a friends that he is going to take to the charity shop he helps out in in the morning.

Excellent stuff about the meditation class, its known to relieve stress, pain and depression etc.

Only buy 2 then and make them not special brew / wife beater

Keep your chin up pet and don't bother your head about the louts aka neds in here :D



Pity this threads kinda gone to shit EADD can be reasonably respectful of "serious" threads too, such as in the sabbatical thread.

 

[charlie clean]

Is this thread pro-active?

Our sensitivities and uncertainties make us so fragile. Everyone's only a situation away from vulnerability.

 

[Darksidesam]

Our sensitivities and uncertainties make us so fragile. Everyone's only a situation away from vulnerability.

That's 100% true with me i guess, i rely on that once a week dose with my life i guess.

Lets just all eat Flora Pro-active.
Sorted then

 

[Mailmonkey]

yea, don't be tempted by any buy one get one free offers, thinking you'll be able to have two this evening, and two tomorrow etc....just buy two cans, maybe even get something you're not even that keen on.

 

[Mugz]

Excellent stuff about the meditation class, its known to relieve stress, pain and depression etc.

Only buy 2 then and make them not special brew / wife beater

Keep your chin up pet and don't bother your head about the louts aka neds in here :D



Pity this threads kinda gone to shit EADD can be reasonably respectful of "serious" threads too, such as in the sabbatical thread.

well, two cans of carling, (almost went for the special brew) have been purchased along with some falafel and humous which have been eaten, the carling is not yet open as I don't even know if I want to drink it.

Feel a bit better after handing over a massive bag of clothes to a friend from work who just finished to give to the charity shop, even put in one of my good jackets and a "ned/chav" style ralph lauren top that cost about $60 a year ago, quite a lot of other stuff was in there too.

Feels good giving to charity, even if it is just old clothes.

Am looking forward to the meditation, am pretty sure I can get back from the docs in time to go this thursday, will do me the world of good I think. Have wanted to start meditating for a long time now but don't really have a clue about it so going to the drop in class should give me some idea of how to start doing it and what I need to be doing. Going to stay for the buddhism talk after the meditation class too. I think a bit of eastern philosophy is what I need right now.

 

[monstanoodle]

Much love and positive thoughts to those going through a fucking shitty time right now
I think this thread deserves a bit more of a serious tone. I hope you all understand my wish and will comply courteously.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

Am looking forward to the meditation, am pretty sure I can get back from the docs in time to go this thursday, will do me the world of good I think. Have wanted to start meditating for a long time now but don't really have a clue about it so going to the drop in class should give me some idea of how to start doing it and what I need to be doing.

Its worth persevering with Mugz. My whole day goes to shit if I dont start it with half hour prayer and meditation. I turn into
a domineering, belligerent old witch bag.

Once you start youll probably wonder how you coped without it.

btw .. do you paint?

 

[Mugz]

Its worth persevering with Mugz. My whole day goes to shit if I dont start it with half hour prayer and meditation. I turn into
a domineering, belligerent old witch bag.

Once you start youll probably wonder how you coped without it.

btw .. do you paint?

just read the edit, I don't paint, not really my thing.

I think that making time for yourself in the morning to prepare yourself for the day is a very important thing though, something that I don't really do, but did do this morning, not really enough time though. Whether it is meditation or exercise, I really do believe that taking the time in the morning to get the day started on a positive note is the way to go, time to put it into action every day now, which will be harder to do than to just say.

this is a quote from a blog that I just found that kind of explains about what the audio tapes I'm listening to are saying

Blog link

As soon as you wake up, before you have the chance to review your negative introspection you need to consciously ask yourself what you're grateful for. And before you begin to tell me how you've got nothing to be grateful for, I'm going to stop you there, you're being a bum! There is always something to be grateful for. It may be the roof over your head, your good health, the repeat of your favourite TV show at 9pm, your family, your friends, this computer, etc. Find something you're grateful for. What do you enjoy? Quickly move on and tell yourself you're going to have a good day, no matter how dull the prospect is you have the power to create. Jump out of bed and get moving, learn to love yourself and appreciate yourself for what you are. If you can believe you're going to have a good day then that is what you will have, the events of that day will have little influence. Once out of bed get that shower and feeling fresh, and if you're feeling really brave dig out the running shoes from the back of the cupboard. Get moving, build on that enthusiasm and feed yourself the energy you need. You can do what you like, you're the boss, just make sure it's positive and that you're thinking positively. This is the most important time of the day as it sets your mood for what is to come, and if you're going to avoid this positivity now, don't hold any hopes for it miraculously showing up later in the day, you've got to create this and there is no time better than the present.

The whole blog post on that guys blog is pretty good actually and I'm gonna read some more of his posts, they seem to be good and about mental health, the blog is called

The Day I Tried To Live
................THE CALCULATED DESTRUCTION OF SOCIAL ANXIETY AND SHYNESS

is a shame he seems to have decided to give up the blog in 2007, but that post I quoted is a good one so will read some of his others. Seems relevant to the thread, trying to overcome mental health problems and all that.