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The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

Never met a Tarquin but I knew a guy called Torquil. No beedis or dreads, he played the cello I think. We were only 14 so I hadn't discovered the joys of cocaine or kratom.

One of my friends was into juggling and really was planning to do a circus skills degree but he's called James and he shaves his head. Techno not psytrance. MDMA not DMT! No kratom there either :D Yes your stereotypes are lazy and inaccurate, get working on them.
 
babylonboy said:
And much more acceptable when aimed at rich white men and not poor black women.
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Not to mention the fact that yer average feckless negress well and truly knows her place already.

knock said:
One of my friends was into juggling and really was planning to do a circus skills degree but he's called James and he shaves his head.
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He's gay, isn't he?
 
I'm a pretty dab hand at devilstick, if I say so myself. I didn't realise entry to the circus industry required academic qualifications. I have lots of mates who are into juggling, staff, hula hoop, contact ball... I also have lots of mates who are into DMT, acid, mushrooms, 2C-B... I also have lots of mates who are into progressive trance, psytrance, goa trance... I think you get the idea.
feckless negress
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Woohoohoo that made me laugh, that's a keeper.
 
babylonboy said:
I'm a pretty dab hand at devilstick, if I say so myself. I didn't realise entry to the circus industry required academic qualifications. I have lots of mates who are into juggling, staff, hula hoop, contact ball... I also have lots of mates who are into DMT, acid, mushrooms, 2C-B... I also have lots of mates who are into progressive trance, psytrance, goa trance... I think you get the idea.
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Oo err, I bet we have quite a few mutual friends. A lot of my mates are heavily into the circus (and psytrance/exotic psyches) scenes. :sus:
 
Sammy G said:
He's gay, isn't he?
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He's actually not, he's fairly straight, married with two kids though I know that's not a reliable indicator; he doesn't mind a gentle grope but that's his limit :D I chuckled though.

Mental Kenny said:
I used to have dreadlocks in high school, had them quite long and thick, at some point I had a megadread at the back.

Oh the old days
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fucking hell Sammy was right!
 
No dreads here, ever! But pro KLF inna big way...

In NA (north America, but narcotics anonymous might apply) the average Kratom user is white and using it as an opioid maintenance kinda thing.....the numbers are huge....I used to long ago be involved in the supply chain, and helped a few vendors set up HPLC testing for mitragynine for QC.....and the numbers these wholesalers are working with are astonishing....hundreds of tons I'd wager entering NA monthly.....the cat is out of the bag here, states are slowly banning it...it is the only "legal high" left in the headshops after the cathinone cannabinoid fricassee ....

All the dedicated users I know buy off the Internet...OTC is crap and overpriced.

And maybe I'm just getting old, but after years in skag land and a dependency to every other goddamn class of substances I'm finding Kratom the hardest to shake....like said, could just be getting old, but it's a fucker. And it's so tame in its' effects...After using stronger opioids Kratom will seem like shite at first but once your tolerance drops it's just about the perfect maintenance drug....both for effects and cost/benefit...

But like most things it wears. On day 5 no Kratom here, after about 3 months off and then a few weeks back on.....isn't any easier the second (hundredth) time. Loperamide is helping for the 'oid aspect but not the crazy anxiety/lethargy/anhedonia that is unique to Kratom alone....gimme straight opioid WD and PAWS any day over this...spent the first few days in an MXE stupor.....dunno how much that helped. ...but the fireplace and Blanckmass were lush!

FOR THE THIRD TIME : "maybe I'm just getting old" but the odd periods of "sobriety" are increasing, and actually more interesting some days than being totally fucked...

Heresy! Temp ban from Bluelight? ;)

But back to the KLF.....gold! Err...spray painted gold!
 
amanitadine said:
FOR THE THIRD TIME : "maybe I'm just getting old" but the odd periods of "sobriety" are increasing, and actually more interesting some days than being totally fucked...
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Snap. Although it's not a complaint. Enjoying the odd bit of sobriety can't be such a bad thing and they do say variety is the spice of life. Will decide on the getting old bit if/when old enough to be worth really complaining about (regular bitchin' 'bout being an auld geezer doesn't count cos with 40 starting to loom a bit I may just decide that life doesn't quite properly begin for a little under two years).

Given the amount of KLF <3 so far it's remarkably short on KLF tunes. And rightfully so being wildly off-topic. But seems only fair to have the one and it is a suitably obscure one. Only six copies pressed apparently. And no, I didn't have one. My KLF kollection was very sexy indeed but not quite that sexy :!

KLF - Madraguda Eterna (Club Mix)
 
amanitadine said:
No dreads here, ever! But pro KLF inna big way...

But like most things it wears. On day 5 no Kratom here, after about 3 months off and then a few weeks back on.....isn't any easier the second (hundredth) time. Loperamide is helping for the 'oid aspect but not the crazy anxiety/lethargy/anhedonia that is unique to Kratom alone....gimme straight opioid WD and PAWS any day over this...spent the first few days in an MXE stupor.....dunno how much that helped. ...but the fireplace and Blanckmass were lush!

FOR THE THIRD TIME : "maybe I'm just getting old" but the odd periods of "sobriety" are increasing, and actually more interesting some days than being totally fucked...

Heresy! Temp ban from Bluelight? ;)

But back to the KLF.....gold! Err...spray painted gold!
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Comrade I was in the same boat until this morning, I hate the depression you while withdrawing from kratom, absolutely terrible
 
It's interesting that when I started full time on kratom I had stopped taking prozac. And the reason I ended up taking kratom every day is that I was getting these horrible dizzy spells, and kratom took them away. I didn't think much about it at the time, I just kept taking kratom. Could it be related?
 
(edit- to knock) Who knows.....no direct serotonin action from kratoms myriad alkaloids demonstrated yet...one old ass paper shows some 5HT2a antagonism (?!) from mitragynine but who knows......but me thinks it's a downstream thing....fuck with this, fuck with that, etc. That's as lucid as I am willing to get at the moment! Certain NE effects from the alpha adreneregic shite.....the jury is still out. And will continue to be so ...as will I as it is snowing and I'm on the couch, and trying to get the uber rare KLF track Shammy posted outta my head....

MK- yeah it's a bitch, eh? I for one find it hilarious that for the past few decades of decadence that Kratom and phenibut of all fucking things caused me more grief than shooting up H and smoking crack etc in years prior.....maybe the decades part is relevant, maybe not. maybe I'm just getting way too soft!
 
I understand, no need to get more lucid :) and I thought as much myself as I've not seen SSRI action reported for any kratom alkaloids but drugs do have "downstream" actions like you say.

And yeah maybe you are getting soft, or at least that's what I'm telling myself!
 
Mental Kenny said:
Try Thai kratom or Maeng Da if you have some extra cash Snolly, they're the two most stimulating varieties.

Usually they say red vein is more sedating, but I have a feeling it might just be marketing.
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Chairs, will do. I have read around but it's still confusing so would rather get info from people who know their stuff like yourself, knock, BL in general. I ordered again before I read that post, red vein thai I think, but gonna make two smaller separate orders in a week or two.
 
Mental Kenny said:
Sometimes I get incredibly intense shakes from big doses of kratom, similar to the shakes you get off mdpv, weird. It happens rarely though
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snap, its quite unplesant, the come down or wearing off a big dose of a stimulating strain feels like a stimulant come down, all scattered thoughts and stuff.

What is the best way to stop using ? Ive been using about a week or 2, or just over, with a couple of days off in the middle, just had 2 teaspoons today. Should i taper by 1 or 0.5 teaspoons or just stop ? Ive been tapering down from 10 tsps at the highest dose, which was far too much, then from 4 downwards which was a more pleasant dose. No untoward effects so far reducing from 4 to 2 tsps. I know the longer i leave it, the worse it will get, all these SNRI and adrenergic effects scare me, far more than if it was just an opiate agonist. I would know what i was dealing with more then, as this has quite the scope to rock the ship in a bad way if i carry with daily dosing on for too much longer, i think.
 
How soon do you need to be off it? Youi're going to australia yes? When is your flight? I would work out a plan based on the time you've got left.

I can't work out what your current dosage is. Sounds like it might be 4, or 2 teaspoons?

I think the first thing would be to start using scales, cos heaped teaspoons vary (that's why my dose crept up).

Sammy G said:
How about you just stop?

You won't be addicted. So no need to taper, is there?
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I think the issue is he's addicted to "µ-opioid agonists" rather than "kratom". MDB's been continuously on o-desmethyltramadol, AH7921, poppy pods, bupe, and now kratom, for two or three years. So I think he has µ-opioid receptors that want fed, if you know what I mean?

So I would be tempted to taper, just to make it less frightening. Then when he flies off to Australia, there will be very limited risk of him getting back on something. Like Amanitadine said, it's sort of ideal to be going abroad while you're kicking the habit.
 
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